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2 edits |  Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit
It was pre-ordained that allofmp3.com would be shut down in Russia's drive for WTO membership. It was a pirate web site that never forwarded money to the artists and/or their companies for the copyrighted material they offered.
Previous predictions of this:
»Big surprise: Allofmp3 is being taken out
»Assault on Allofpm3 underway
»Allofmp3 is a rogue outfit and will be brought under control
»AllofMP3 won't be around much longer
etc., etc.
The government will be expected to begin complying by June 1, 2007. So allofmp3 has a limited lifespan - about 6 months.
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bigjimc
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| Isn't It Amazing
Well, if AllofMP3 proved one thing, it is that music downloads could be done for pennies. So selling them DRM free for $0.39 each would still be a 200% margin (even after giving the artist $0.05 per download). An album for $2.49 would be a great deal and I would pay to download a lot.
For now I would use a service that ships CDs for $5.99 and rip them myself for my own personal use.
As a side note, doesn't anyone remember going to Kmart and reaching through the hole in the clear glass case of 45s (single record for the young people) and having to get a clerk to open and grab the 45 you wanted? I remember paying $0.99 per 45. I guess $0.99 per download is a discount. (Sarcasm) |
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Sweet Witch
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we could just buy the songs we want, in the format we want, from the artists directly for like $1 a pop. Go to "bandname".com, look through the library and find what you want. Pay your dollar a song and download the version you want, knowing the artist is getting the money. Really, it's not such a hard concept to figure out, yet no one's done it.
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RandomSCGVBV
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Everyone use up your remaining balances.
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Jason Levine
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Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit
It wasn't exactly a pirate outfit. They were operating completely within the Russian laws. The only problem became when Americans bought songs from them. Then you got into legal gray areas. (Which is why I never bought anything from them even though I liked their service in theory.) |
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Michael Albright
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| Exactly my take, if they were to have limited themselves to Russian comsumers they likely wouldnt have been able to make as much profit, but laws are laws.
makes me think about off shore casinos and island based web-casinos  |
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Jason Levine
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Re: I wish
The problem with that is that I don't want to have to remember (or find and guess whether I can trust) a dozen different websites to get my music. Plus, bands likely don't want to get into the messy details of hosting their own sites and selling their own stuff.
Consumers and bands would rather just trust an overarching site to host and sell the music. Something like eMusic.com (only with more "big name" artists). |
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Jason Levine
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Re: Isn't It Amazing
said by bigjimc  :For now I would use a service that ships CDs for $5.99 and rip them myself for my own personal use. Kind of like my preference. I do buy the occasional new CD, but most times I buy used CDs. They are just as good as the originals and cost much less. One that I am looking at on eBay now (a Wiggles CD for my son) will likely cost me about $5 including shipping. That's for 18 tracks of music (and 10 Introduction tracks), so the cost per song is 28 cents. Not too shabby. Especially since I will be getting the music in the format that I want, at the bit rate that I want, with no DRM, and with a CD of the full-quality music to use as a backup. |
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st7860
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Re: Time is up...
well there's always that free swedish site! |
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spm9999
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Me too.. I mean.. Ummmmmm
I was wondering why I haven't been getting any email from them in a while..
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Re: Isn't It Amazing
said by bigjimc :Well, if AllofMP3 proved one thing, it is that music downloads could be done for pennies.
Well, Napster (the original) and every P2P network that has come along since proved that music downloads could be done for free......and the artists saw just as much return on those free downloads as they did on the AllOfMP3 purchases.
I like the idea AllOfMP3 had, as far as the consumer goes. DRM free, reasonable pricing, etc.
But when you break it right down, they were turning a 100% profit off the same pirated works you could download for free.
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Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit
said by Jason Levine :It wasn't exactly a pirate outfit. They were operating completely within the Russian laws. My take on the issue as well. If there was something shady, I would say that it was more within ROMS and how ROMS was supposed to be repaying the royalties allOfMP3.com was sending ROMS than in allOfMP3.com itself.
I also don't see why allOfMP3.com wouldn't be allowed to operate within Russia, since the price they charge for an album is the price you pay for a CD in a music store in Russia (from what I read)
They can always implement IP filtering and block customers from countries where justice departments are considering the service illegal (like the US and the Netherlands)
EDIT: no taylor troll post yet??? I'm surprised...
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| said by LilYoda :I also don't see why allOfMP3.com wouldn't be allowed to operate within Russia, since the price they charge for an album is the price you pay for a CD in a music store in Russia (from what I read) With my limited knowledge of how the WTO works, I imagine that agreement to join the WTO requires that participating members honor (at least on the surface) the other member countries' trade-related laws, e.g. intellectual property. Just my guess.
And yet, China seems to get away with quite a lot. Hmmm.
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Re: I wish
not to mention that when they sign those contracts to get all that money, most artists have to sign away their distribution rights, and thereafter have no control over their music.
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bigjimc
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Re: Isn't It Amazing
It can't be free.
Someone has to set up and maintain the website/servers. That costs money.
Someone has to rip the music and make sure it is the song and not cut off or not bass boosted or all the other issues of P2P. All that does cost money.
What about setting up a call center outside the US to answer all the irate phone calls. That costs money.
And then the companies deserve to make money. After all it is a business. The 1000% margin is a bit much (call it jealousy) though.
As far as the same pirated works that you could download for free. No. It is the same pirated works you could steal for free.
If the record companies would lower their pricing and remove the DRM. I would stop buying CDs.
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Re: Time is up...
said by RandomSCGVBV :Everyone use up your remaining balances. Not that any of us have any, of course. I certainly don't. I have, close to $100.:) And now excuse me but I have to buy another 2-3 $50-worth PIN codes in a certain Russian music shop... |
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Kxpuc
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Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit
lol yea china the land of the VCD's |
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rob_in_chatt
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they make more than enough money on tours and selling merchandise. why they sit and scream lost revenue is just beyond me.
if you or anyone else cant take 10 million dollars and make it last a lifetime, then you are a f@%$#^ng moron. |
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Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit
said by tapeloop :With my limited knowledge of how the WTO works, I imagine that agreement to join the WTO requires that participating members honor (at least on the surface) the other member countries' trade-related laws, e.g. intellectual property. Just my guess. Internationally yes. But locally?
I mean for exemple, the sale of Marijuana is illegal in the US, and legal in the netherlands. That doesn't prevent the Netherlands to be in the WTO.
Unless the RIAA, or a new version of the RIAA in Russia is mandated by the Russian government as the official copyright holder *in Russia*, then as far as I would understand it, ROMS would still bt the legal entity to collect copyright payment in Russia, for Russian customers.
So what Russia could do is force ROMS to pay back some of what it collects to the original copyright holder (which is where I believe that Russian law has to be modified), which would in turn increase ROMS fees, and allOfMP3.com's price
But shutting down allOfMP3, for Russian customers seems a bit surreal to me. If Russian people can still go to the store, buy a CD for $3, where the fee is payed to ROMS, and ROMS still doesn't pay a dime to the original artist or copyright holder, then what's next? The US will ask that Music stores in Moscow's streets be illegal?
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c4junk
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join:2004-05-08 | Other side of story?
I wonder how many of our tax dollars are going under the table to Russia along with this deal to make RIAA happy? |
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