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There's no limit of people who believe that DRM-free content is not only inevitable, but makes good business sense. But what do bean counters at music companies say? They are the only ones that matter to the investors.
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"music industry's new effort to provide songs in unprotected MP3 format. "
Well the "competition" (piracy) has been doing this for some time now, and their wining. 
Time to meet the markets desire and provide what the market wants.
Un-DRMd tunes you can transport to your other devices. 
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Re: But what do bean counters at music companies say ?
said by TKJunkMail  :There's no limit of people who believe that DRM-free content is not only inevitable, but makes good business sense. But what do bean counters at music companies say? They are the only ones that matter to the investors. Charge the same $$$ for content, spend les $$$$ on DRM crap....
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| said by joako :said by TKJunkMail :There's no limit of people who believe that DRM-free content is not only inevitable, but makes good business sense. But what do bean counters at music companies say? They are the only ones that matter to the investors. Charge the same $$$ for content, spend les $$$$ on DRM crap.... But that could lead to even MORE piracy. And that is why they are doing limited tests. See what the impact on "NO DRM" is to the bottom line. If the test shows piracy doesn't increase, then it is a no-brainer to drop DRM. But if sales of the non-DRM'd releases is reduced because of higher piracy, then DRM will be here to stay. It is pure dollars and cents.
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maybe
I would almost say that it's conceivable for them to charge more for the music without DRM. Think of it as paying a "premium" for it. Of course, I have nothing to back that up other than my own way of thinking, but remember that this is the same industry that tried, unsuccessfully, to charge 2-3 dollars for 128k mp3 files from stores like PressPlay and a couple of others that flunked.
Don't get me wrong, this would be a huge step for the music industry if they were to begin offering DRM-free music, even if it was for say 1.29, especially if people bought it at those prices.
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Re: Provide what the market wants
said by shoan :I think I will have to look into finding these songs and buy some even if they are crap songs to send a message that yes this is what is wanted. That suggestion makes sense if you assume the labels actually give a shit what customers want or think, but I think their behaviour for the last few years pretty much says that assumption is wrong.
In the face of overwhelming evidence that everything they publish is available for free on the internet, they have still insisted on pushing DRMed crap onto customers. They combine this with suing filesharers and that's their business plan.
I really believe the RIAA thought/still thinks they can "train" consumers to only buy their DRMed crap. The lawsuits are their "training" program.
Fortunately, reality (declining CD sales and flat/declining digital sales) is biting them in the ass and in desperation they are releasing un-DRMed mp3s into the market. I think they are still so afraid of "losing control" of their "property" however, that they are only able to take tiny steps. So they only experiment with a few songs from so-so artists.
As the market continues to collapse (I hope), they might get desperate enough to open their whole catalog as mp3s. When that happens, sales will soar and they will hopefully realize the future is un-DRMed content.
It's too bad it's going to take the near collapse of the retail music market to make this happen, but I think that's what it's going to take. |
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Sounds about right to me, considering their track record. |
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Re: But what do bean counters at music companies say ?
said by TKJunkMail :But that could lead to even MORE piracy. And that is why they are doing limited tests. See what the impact on "NO DRM" is to the bottom line. If the test shows piracy doesn't increase, then it is a no-brainer to drop DRM. But if sales of the non-DRM'd releases is reduced because of higher piracy, then DRM will be here to stay. It is pure dollars and cents. I was getting ready to disagree with you, but the labels may be stupid enough to think this way. Given that all their music is already available for free online as mp3s, them making it available as an mp3 wouldn't increase piracy, but I guess they don't want to acknowledge that.
I think another factor behind this experiment is declining cd sales and flat/declining digital sales. I believe it's now obvious digital sales aren't going to make up the drop in cd sales and they are getting desperate.
So desperate, they will actually consider selling consumers what they want. |
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Didn't they do something like this before and offer some crappy music and then claim it proved it was not a popular choice? |
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Re: Provide what the market wants
said by shoan :I think I will have to look into finding these songs and buy some even if they are crap songs to send a message that yes this is what is wanted. I have to agree. I only hope that with the lack of DRM they also make them high quality MP3s. I have no problem paying for them then.
Though something tells me this is a "but we tried to give them DRM free music but they just pirate it more" trick
I really really hope I am wrong. |
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I would if they'll have Yahoo embed some sort of unique serial number or watermark in each mp3 downloaded? Otherwise it would be difficult to determine the number of "originals" that were shared. Maybe it doesn't matter... I guess it wouldn't be hard to compare the original sales against copies in circulation. |
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Re: But what do bean counters at music companies say ?
said by TKJunkMail :But that could lead to even MORE piracy. And that is why they are doing limited tests. See what the impact on "NO DRM" is to the bottom line. If the test shows piracy doesn't increase, then it is a no-brainer to drop DRM. But if sales of the non-DRM'd releases is reduced because of higher piracy, then DRM will be here to stay. It is pure dollars and cents. The "piracy market" already has it share of "sales" in the music industry. The people who pirate will continue to do so, the millions of people that still continue to purchase music will continue to do the same, if anything some (small) amount of people who pirate music will buy now buy it because no restrictions are imposed.
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said by TKJunkMail :But that could lead to even MORE piracy. said by nasadude :Given that all their music is already available for free online as mp3s, them making it available as an mp3 wouldn't increase piracy, but I guess they don't want to acknowledge that.
I have to agree with nasadude. The music is already available for free, so by offering it as a pay service, they only stand to make money, not lose it.
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Re: maybe
said by King P :I would almost say that it's conceivable for them to charge more for the music without DRM. Think of it as paying a "premium" for it. Of course, I have nothing to back that up other than my own way of thinking, but remember that this is the same industry that tried, unsuccessfully, to charge 2-3 dollars for 128k mp3 files from stores like PressPlay and a couple of others that flunked. Don't get me wrong, this would be a huge step for the music industry if they were to begin offering DRM-free music, even if it was for say 1.29, especially if people bought it at those prices. Does anyone here know what the yearly licenscing fees are for DRM software? I mean the stuff that layers the crap onto the content. That might be figuring into the equation, along with the realization that DRM is not unbreakable. |
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Why don't "they" just buy out allofmp3.com |
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If they would offer it at a reasonable price and a high quality they can't help but make a profit. The CD market pricing is being killed by a consumer High cost per CD and DRM.
Down loading an mp3 is a great way to see consumer approval of artists and music.
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if they realize this and Drop DRM and acknowledge MP3's that means taylor would be out of a job!!
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Re: But what do bean counters at music companies say ?
said by nasadude :So desperate, they will actually consider selling consumers what they want. God forbid!  |
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said by TScheisskopf :said by King P :I would almost say that it's conceivable for them to charge more for the music without DRM. Think of it as paying a "premium" for it. Of course, I have nothing to back that up other than my own way of thinking, but remember that this is the same industry that tried, unsuccessfully, to charge 2-3 dollars for 128k mp3 files from stores like PressPlay and a couple of others that flunked. Don't get me wrong, this would be a huge step for the music industry if they were to begin offering DRM-free music, even if it was for say 1.29, especially if people bought it at those prices. Does anyone here know what the yearly licenscing fees are for DRM software? I mean the stuff that layers the crap onto the content. That might be figuring into the equation, along with the realization that DRM is not unbreakable. Well the owners of the stores would pay for that, and for them its all going to be apportioned down to cents per song, so the labels can demand more money, the consumers pay the same and the store makes the same amount profit per song. win win win
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