jtel
join:2005-06-28
Bristol, RI
| Great Synch Though
Remember its not the product you receive that counts its how it is provided. Customers really don't care about low download speeds, box reboots, pixelation and channels disappearing. Customers care that their VDSL2 hardware shows a 25 meg synch or 'significantly higher'.
"Hey Bob hows the game? Well theres no picture today but I've got a great synch here, just great, really getting my monies worth." |
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amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
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| I still don't get it...
Really don't understand why telco's are still going with this approach to the TV market. IPTV can be cool and all, but it's still kind of a mystery to me why they even bother trying to pipe TV through telephone wires. Kind of like pumping gas with a hose the size of a straw.
Sure, it can be done, and I'm sure standard def stuff can look ok, but NTSC broadcast quality television it is not, let alone HD... |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | Probably because they don't want to take the risks of FTTx. I hope they make it work, because we need more competition ASAP. |
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N3OGH
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Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to jtel
Re: Great Synch Though
AT&T is wasting so much money on this all ready obsolete technology.
Sure, FTTx is more expensive up front, but it's cheaper to maintain in the long run.
FTTx is also, in the long run less of a risk. FTTx WORKS. It's time tested proven technology, and the best, fastest way to move voice, video, and data.
Instead, AT&T tries to revive the lost art of alchemy. Trying to turn copper into gold.
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| reply to amungus
Because they can..
Mult viewing angles you get to choose during football games sounds good. Getting to program the shows you can record via the web is another nice option Comcast doesnt offer.
ATT and Verizon thinks they can deliver a better product then cable or satellite. Let them try. I don't get why the people here are such pessimist. Competition is good. |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
| said by ninjatutle  :I don't get why the people here are such pessimist. I think it's the idea is that those copper wires are only good for voice and broadband, but only broadband to a limit.
If you are a company people love to hate (AT&T, MS) no matter what you do people will call it stupid. If you are a company people love to love (Google) even when you mess up or do something evil you are praised.
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
 ·Comcast
| reply to Maxo
Re: I still don't get it...
said by Maxo :Probably because they don't want to take the risks of FTTx. I hope they make it work, because we need more competition ASAP. Funny part is yes we need competition but, its not really competition when the service is horrible.
I said this before and was attacked by the at&t fans who love their iptv ( more like some one who probably worked for at&t ) and it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I had seen these issues in the labs but was told I was wrong.
I just wanna say in the words of the great Nelson Muntz "HAHA".
Their system is not mature enough to deliver on their promises at this point. They should have chosen a different carrier or a hybrid satellite and dsl that would have given them a superior system for VOD and would eliminate the need to carry the iptv content constantly.
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
| reply to Maxo
Re: Because they can..
Probably, the large part of it is the frikken Motorola boxes. Motorola has ALLWAYS been slow on their digital cable boxes and it seems this is no different. Then you throw buggy Microsoft crap swiss cheese, screen of death at the least little hiccup software into the mix and you have a prescription for disaster. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to N3OGH
Re: Great Synch Though
FTTx? Don't you mean FTTP?
This isn't a bandwidth problem so why are you ranting about it? |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: 
| Who says it's REALLY
the software?
Sorry, but I just don't buy it.
I think that if you were to build a car around an old frame using a lot of old engine parts, that shiny new exterior might look good to some...but in reality that car would be one to avoid.
I just cannot help but to feel that their last mile strategy is a huge problem for this company, and one that will just bite them in the a$$..and is already.
WHY..am I so skeptical? Just look around this site at all the haves, and have not's as far as DSL goes.
Some, who can get the 6MB that is really a 5.1 MB service in disguise..others who struggle along to get 1MB..and still others who just don't make the grade at all for any level of service.
And despite what some may think, that is not ALWAYS due to distance. It's also due in large part to the QUALITY of those lines.
It's why some had crappy dialup connections, and others..better ones.
It is WHY AT&T's OWN statements are always VERY non committal as far as the speeds you can expect..or even if you REALLY can get it at all.
But STOP RIGHT HERE FOR A MINUTE.
NOW..we are NOT talking about dialup. Nor even DSL.
We are talking about multiple HDTV Streams, HSI..and Voice.
All in one.
Umm..have I REALLY missed something here? Has Rome suddenly been built in a day?
Has that LAST mile really changed ENOUGH to now REALLY allow this wide scale rollout?
I don't think so.
I think..AT&T..is bluffing.
And, I've called them on that bluff.
And soooo..where are we? 15 to 20 markets as promised?
Nope.
1..or maybe just starting 2.
That's all folks.
Of course, some of my detractors will come along and say I'm wrong. And there are customers out there to prove it.
And, they're right. But so too are there some people out there who can get the elite tier too of DSL. But how many, considering this companies entire service area..get to say that?
Honestly, to some extent, I feel for AT&T. I think they're in trouble. And they know it. They're getting hammered with losing landlines, having to sell DSL service for less than dialup prices..and now resorting to reselling satellite tv service to try to compete.
And meanwhile, the cable co's are cleaning their clocks.
The cable co's and the likes of Vonage are now becoming the worlds new phone companies. And at prices that are so much less than the telcos have long charged.
I have to go back again to what companies like Verizon and NTT of Japan have done. They've admitted this to themselves and their shareholders. And have realized that the only real answer is a huge, multi billion dollar..it's time to bite the bullet now and do this right..kind of answer.
But, AT&T just still can't seem to do that. That shiny new exterior is being put on the old frame.
Let's just hope..for their sake..that when the car is finished..it isn't DOA and hauled off to the junk yard.
And lastly, why do I care? Because I..like many of you..are in their service territory. Really..they're the only dog we have left in this fight against the now very entrenched cable industry..and namely Comcast in this area.
We have seen what good competition brings in the verizon~cable industry wars.
We in AT&T's area want that too. Because if its not there..the cable co's have no incentive to lower prices and increase service.
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to amungus
Re: I still don't get it...
From what I saw of the outages it's a server authentication issue that hit them. Nothing to do with last mile bandwidth. |
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Biskit
join:2003-02-07
Fenton, MO | reply to N3OGH
Re: Great Synch Though
FTTx is a time tested proven technology.
Really? Since verizon is the first one to roll this out and recently I might add, how much time are we talking? |
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Biskit
join:2003-02-07
Fenton, MO | reply to Rick
Re: Who says it's REALLY
"Some, who can get the 6MB that is really a 5.1 MB service in disguise"
Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt there something called overhead? You wouldnt be able to get the full throughput anyway, would you? |
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SOLdesign
Did I drink a shot of Irrational Whore?
Premium
join:2002-07-29
Woodland Hills, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Rick
I can promise you the "death star" is not bluffing Rick... your rambling post certainly contains nothing that would indicate it as such.
Since many of my friends in the television industry have moved to San Antonio and KC to be part of this project, I think its more than a bluff. I seriously doubt they would give up major jobs in major markets all over the country if it was just a bluff.
A huge project with typical development problems? yes.
Bluff? no.
Will it work or not? I have no idea, but a lot of people are going to make a good living trying to make it happen.
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| reply to Biskit
Sure, there's such a thing as overhead.
But if their lines are really up to the task, why not make it a 6.5MB to 7MB service to allow for that fact and to deliver the customer "as advertised" speeds?
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| reply to SOLdesign
Perhaps bluff was the wrong word. Vaporware is probably a better one.
And for the newbies among us..what is vaporware? It's presenting something as being something you basically have already..something that's very soon commercially viable..
something meant to be viewed as being "just around the corner".
Why do it? To make yourself appear as being a contender for service..a real option..something to have people wait for it with the expectation that it will soon be available.
But really, what goes on behind the scenes is a far different story. It's a frantic "trying to make it really become reality" kind of thing.
Really, from virtually day one, I've questioned it's viability. I just have too many problems with the medium in which they hope to transport the service.
I'd have the same problem with you telling me you're planning on running the indy 500 this year..on a dirt road somewhere in rural america.
I think that dirt road in this case is their copper network. I think it's too old..too tired..and simply not up to the task on any kind of a widespread basis.
Ok..so, this year they managed to get something out..to San antonio. Can anyone say..big whoop?
One would expect that in their corporate backyard, things would be much more up to snuff...and also filled with a territory of "friends and family" of AT&T.
But, what did they manage to roll out after all that time?
A whopping 6MB that really is 5.1MB DSL service in disquise.
Ummmm..am I wrong in saying..didn't they already have that anyway?
And, what else? IPTV service..but remember..it was without the hdtv while that part became the "wait and we'll have that soon" part.
And meanwhile..months..and months have gone by. And the end result just hasn't seemed to materialize.
It wasn't me that said 15 to 20 markets..it was them.
And so..where's the beef? Heck, in this case..it's hard to see any meat at all on that bun.
But, remember what vaporware is. It's ALWAYS going to be.."wait..and you'll see what we can do".
Meanwhile...Verizon just rolls right along. With people having said that was the more difficult, costly strategy..it's them who seem to be getting the results.
And lastly, again..I have to ask..even if at&t succeeds..how successful will it really be?
This is NEXT GENERATION Product for them.
Guess what? Comcast with powerboost is already double those speeds.
I think the death star is in trouble.
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| New VRAD boxes are installed along the main road where I live. Its not vaporware. This is in Northern Cali.
You are ranting because your job looks like its in jeopardy 
I've seen your rant on other news items before on the same subject. |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to bogey780
Re: Great Synch Though
said by bogey780 :FTTx? Don't you mean FTTP? This isn't a bandwidth problem so why are you ranting about it? I'm using it because an earlier poster used it.
The "lowercase" x indicates the initial in the acronym is interchangeable with another letter.
Like FTTH is Fiber To The Home, and FTTP Fiber To The Premises. Some people use either term or the other. The earlier poster in this case, instead of choosing one or the other, substituted the lowercase x wherever the P or H would've been....
Some other examples are using the term Tx instead of the entire word "treatment".
I don't think it really applies to the prescription symbol "Rx" (where the x crosses the leg of the R) as I believe that's an abbreviation for the Latin word recipe / take.
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | Well there's FTTN and FTTC also. AT&T is using FTTN |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Biskit
Well, fiber optics has been used for years around the globe under ground, under the sea, across continents, and strung on poles.
The technology itself is proven reliable. The fact that it's being strung into a house or a business doesn't change that.
It doesn't matter if Verizon decides to push voice, data, or 1000 channels of prOn over it, fiber has been proven to be the most trouble free and cost effective way to move large amounts of data.
Or, did I miss the latest massive deployment of copper trans oceanic and trans continental lines???
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