moonpuppy
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Glen Burnie, MD | Pot meet kettle........
Is this a surprise to anyone?
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Colorado Springs, CO
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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Long Beach, CA | reply to moonpuppy
seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers.
I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. |
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thender2
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Staten Island, NY
| said by hopeflicker  :seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. I agree, it's not like they're doing this with DSL/cable. It's FTTH, something that, at the moment, they're losing ridiculous amounts of money on. It's not about gaining more, it's about losing less.
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Midak
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Yonkers, NY
| It's not a neccessity
All due respect to those who are having financial difficulties and live in a less desirable area because it is what they can afford but you don't need cable TV or any TV for that matter. You can argue all you want but it is purely a luxury item. If Verizon wants to set up shop where they can make the most money, then they should be able to do just that. |
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marigolds
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
| said by Midak :If Verizon wants to set up shop where they can make the most money, then they should be able to do just that. Then they can do it without using public right of ways. |
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY | Astroturfing...
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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Re: Pot meet kettle........
said by hopeflicker :seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. The argument was that cable had to sign franchise agreements. In exchange for exclusivity, they had to wire up everyone. Now that competition is coming in, cable wants to cherry pick too.
Another issue is that both Verizon and Comcast want the right to deny anyone else into the market with only their "promise" to eventually serve an area that has no service. |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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It is just cable wanting Verizon to get stuck in the morass of having to deal with every local community(one by one) in order to provide service. The cable companies had to do it, so they feel Verizon should too. But the fact that cable companies had to go thru that mess for over 30 years doesn't mean that is the way it should be going forward. Statewide franchises is the way to speed up new competitors entering the market. Cable companies just want to slow down their future competitors.
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op
join:2005-07-16
Smyrna, DE
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Re: It's not a neccessity
said by Midak :All due respect to those who are having financial difficulties and live in a less desirable area because it is what they can afford but you don't need cable TV or any TV for that matter. You can argue all you want but it is purely a luxury item. If Verizon wants to set up shop where they can make the most money, then they should be able to do just that. Or, what they could do is install FIOS in the apartments of the people that can actually afford FIOS and then if the other people call in and want it and can do a 1 year contract then I dont see no problem. It solves the cherry picking issue. |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Did Verizon meet deployment goal for 2006?
Have 6 million homes been passed, network-wide?
If so, the current and NEW deployments should be published in their last press release for 2006. Hopefully 2007 will show renewed interest in deploying FIOS, not wireless... there were virtually NO new deployments for both November & December, 2006. Finish some of the black-holes left in your primary deployment communities FIRST, Pennsylvania can wait.
Even if Verizon is redlining, fiber gets rolled out, not pulled back, ALL communities in the geographic regions will have to be deployed at some point. Cable companies should be happy they get to keep those customers for a few more years, while Verizon gets their competitive ducks in a row. Usually, Verizon is doing something RIGHT with deployments if it IRKS cable companies. TV rates are really ANTI-COMPETITIVE, if you really want cable-tv competitions, create a site in Russia called ALL_OF_CABLE_TV.COM streaming cable tv for $20 a month, all you can eat ppv, etc...
Really, Verizon along with all telcos will have vastly similar rates, no ONE company will undercut the price THEY pay for services, so taunting gets NO-ONE NOWHERE.
The real competition will lie in voip and internet access. |
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Nuts
join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | reply to Midak
Re: It's not a neccessity
Your assuming that the areas they'r bypassing at this time are poor. |
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Midak
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Yonkers, NY | The article in question states just that. |
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TheGhost
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Lake Forest, IL
clubs: | reply to moonpuppy
Re: Pot meet kettle........
But did they have to wire everyone before they could start selling to their 1st customer? Or could they install in phases. I would find it hard to believe that a project the size of Philly was done "big bang". |
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EnzonE
join:2000-03-23
Indiana, PA
|  reply to tmc8080
Re: Did Verizon meet deployment goal for 2006?
said by tmc8080 :Finish some of the black-holes left in your primary deployment communities FIRST, Pennsylvania can wait. OK I'm not saying I would need the service tomorrow or something very bad is going to happen; I am currently satisfied with being a Comcast customer. Seems like every thing's VZ redlining mania these days! (»»Comcast Knocks Verizon for Cherry Picking) and on other sites of how VZ is first starting with wealthier communities.
As far as having the State wait; I think VZ should be the ones owing $/discounts to PA taxpayers after ripping them off of billions of dollars to have the Commonwealth wired with DSL and FiOS by certain strict deadlines; thanks PAPUC! see( »»Did Verizon Scam Pennsylvania?) ; if nothing shows copy and paste link. (don't mind me just ranting) From the looks of it VZ doesn't seem to be doing that bad in addition to FiOS deployment costs (»»investor.verizon.com/news/view.a···wsID=784) Sure it may cost a lot of $ to deploy everywhere, but I remember reading here: »»Verizon to use new tech to slash costs that the costs for installment are going down. Also another recent article posted on BBR backing up decreased costs for VZ FiOS installs: »»Switching a Customer to Fios Saves Verizon $110/Year. Thanks for reading in; nothing personal just my opinion and a little free time! =)
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dodgetech2
join:2002-01-01
Gouldsboro, PA
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Re: It's not a neccessity
said by Midak :All due respect to those who are having financial difficulties and live in a less desirable area because it is what they can afford but you don't need cable TV or any TV for that matter. You can argue all you want but it is purely a luxury item. If Verizon wants to set up shop where they can make the most money, then they should be able to do just that. What about us that live in very rural areas because we choose to....Just because my closest neighbor is ~2500 ft away, does that mean I don't get serviced by FIOS ever???...
I would hardly call this area 'less desirable"...More like "less known" ..thats what I like about it...
BTW, I sold my house in NJ where FIOS was available and moved to PA and stuck about $100,000 in my bank...and I have a bigger home in a nicer area
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to TheGhost
Re: Pot meet kettle........
said by TheGhost :But did they have to wire everyone before they could start selling to their 1st customer? Or could they install in phases. I would find it hard to believe that a project the size of Philly was done "big bang". In Baltimore City, in order to get a franchise, United Cable (later United Artists Cable, TCI Cable then Comcast) had to wire the entire city in 4 years. They agreed to it. They left a few pockets here and there and were threatened with lawsuits until they wired people up.
If they didn't intend on servicing everyone, they should never have signed the agreement. |
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Dominokat
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Boothbay, ME
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said by hopeflicker :seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. So does that mean only the "wealthy" should get service and f**k everyone else?
I thought all this time EVERYONE paid into UNIVERSAL SERVICE FUND.
Why should the less fortunate take a hit because telcos floundered that UNIVERSAL SERVICE FUND.
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| said by Dominokat :said by hopeflicker :seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. So does that mean only the "wealthy" should get service and f**k everyone else? I thought all this time EVERYONE paid into UNIVERSAL SERVICE FUND. Why should the less fortunate take a hit because telcos floundered that UNIVERSAL SERVICE FUND. You have a point with the USF, but i dont know exactly how that money is allocated for development. It could just be a BS fee.
Ask yourself, would you open up a BMW dealership in Compton CA or Beverly Hills CA?
Yes, i know you can't compare cars and internet services but look at it in a business sense.
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ashworth
join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA | reply to TKJunkMail
They didn't have to do anything to provide phone service. |
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