tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| crap speeds...
Where are the 100/100mbit speeds? If a municipal entity underwrites a crappy service offering like that.. they got bilked! Fiber should be much higher speed than that, not capped and CHEAPER! I'm waiting for the day that 100/100mbit will be $50 a month UNCAPPED, UNLIMTIED, SYMMETRICAL! I'm also waiting for my hydrogen car. |
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·Bell Sympatico
| 'If you build it, they will come.'
FTA (Salt Lake City Newspaper) - "Two businesses have decided to locate in Brigham City partly because of the future availability of fiber-optic broadband"
Enough said. It's investing in your town/cities infrastructure. Who said businesses want to locate in high density metropolitan areas. If they can locate in a smaller town, and perform everything via 'new age' communication (video conference, etc), then I think people & companies would do it. Everyone wants to live outside the city anyway.
Damn people and their lack of vision need for instant profit.
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RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
·XMission
| I am still waiting.
said by »www.slweekly.com/editorial/2006/···0-05.cfm :Paul Larsen, economic development director of UTOPIA member Brigham City, said his city joined UTOPIA because telecommunications companies wouldn't bring anything better than dial-up to businesses at the top of Main Street. Since the city signed with UTOPIA, both Qwest and Comcast have added high-speed lines to Brigham City, he said. I like how the for executive profit only incumbents sue to stop people (who are using their elected governments) from putting in a decent system where the incumbents either do NOT want to go or CHERRY pick where they do go, yet when something like UTOPIA does start to go in, they will rush to get the cherry neighborhoods so as to skim the cream (too many metaphors).
I am supposedly in phase two, you can bet that if it gets all the way up the bench to my area, I will drop QWEST in flash.
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RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
·XMission
| reply to tmc8080
Re: crap speeds...
said by tmc8080  :Where are the 100/100mbit speeds? If a municipal entity underwrites a crappy service offering like that.. they got bilked! Fiber should be much higher speed than that, not capped and CHEAPER! I'm waiting for the day that 100/100mbit will be $50 a month UNCAPPED, UNLIMTIED, SYMMETRICAL! I'm also waiting for my hydrogen car. Due to QWEST's bought rules, UTOPIA just provides the 'tubes', your limitations are on the ISP you pick and how they structure their accounts. The same is suppose to be true for all the other services.
If you think the UTOPIA system is crappy service, then thank QWEST. But then I wonder how someone in New York has experienced UTOPIA?
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| reply to tmc8080
There is not point in 100mbit speeds if customers are capped. Giving those speeds will just cause the problem of every customer going over their cap because they left some file sharing program open. So until businesses are ready to uncap(probably never) 100mbit is pointless. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to Raptor
Re: 'If you build it, they will come.'
Sure they will:
While UTOPIA cables now run near 44,000 homes, the network has just 5,100 subscribers. Eventually the taxpayers in the cities dumb enough to back the bonds will see higher taxes for this government boondoggle.
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KoolMoe
Aw Man
Premium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
clubs: | Will they? Just pushing the FUD or do you have actual evidence to support that prediction?
KM
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| said by KoolMoe :Will they? Just pushing the FUD or do you have actual evidence to support that prediction? KM There have been plenty of news items showing they are losing money. I see nothing to indicate that that situation will change. Eventually the sales tax increase pledged to back the bonds will kick in.
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KoolMoe
Aw Man
Premium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
clubs:
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Speakeasy
| Your avatar fails to hypnotize me into the pro-monopoly stance you advocate!
Yeah, not profitable yet. Two years into the project, about $100 million spent, and revenues increased from $123k to $1.5m in the last fiscal year.
Pretty good growth, it seems to me, for a two-year old project.
And the model is what It Should Be. Private companies owning infrastructure and providing services leads to monopolies, negligible competition, stagnant innovation, and increased prices. Muni-owned infrastructure opened to private companies providing services IS the right way to do this.
KM
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ghein
join:2003-01-23
Draper, UT
| Very happy with Utopia
We've just had it for a few weeks at work. Speeds are very good (close to the 30mb/15mb rated), latency is single digit for some sites. No issues with our ISP (XMission), and it hasn't gone done at all. I'm sure that honeymoon will wear off, but so far it has been great. I'd switch my home from Comcast to Utopia in a heartbeat if it was in my neighborhood. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to KoolMoe
Re: 'If you build it, they will come.'
said by KoolMoe :Two years into the project, about $100 million spent, and revenues increased from $123k to $1.5m in the last fiscal year. So they are still down by $98+ million. Even with all of the advantages of not having to pay taxes or deal with regulations like private businesses do, they are still deep in the hole. Who is going to cover that cost? Even if they made $2m a year in revenue it will take at least 49 years to pay off that initial investment and even that doesn't factor in all the money they are going to spend maintaining this network.
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hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
clubs:
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Re: Very happy with Utopia
said by ghein :We've just had it for a few weeks at work. Speeds are very good (close to the 30mb/15mb rated), latency is single digit for some sites. No issues with our ISP (XMission), and it hasn't gone done at all. I'm sure that honeymoon will wear off, but so far it has been great. I'd switch my home from Comcast to Utopia in a heartbeat if it was in my neighborhood. Could I see some single digit traces?
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Chewyrobbo
join:2005-04-12
Tacoma, WA
| TOPOLOGY
100/mbit symmetrical is like impossible, everyone wants uncapped speeds, but then how much does the bandwidth cost those guys. Theres a bottleneck someplace, and 100mbit means just having 10 people connected would be something like a gig per every ten people. i know it ain't business level, but think about it, somewhere that connection connects to the real internet, yea it theoretically can do the maximum of fiber, but that connection eventually meets up with everyone elses, 100mbit INTERNET is just not what residential needs. |
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gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
Premium
join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
clubs:
·Embarq
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: 'If you build it, they will come.'
said by TKJunkMail :Sure they will: While UTOPIA cables now run near 44,000 homes, the network has just 5,100 subscribers. Eventually the taxpayers in the cities dumb enough to back the bonds will see higher taxes for this government boondoggle. So?
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ccoggle
join:2001-08-06
Salt Lake City, UT
| I have it
I migrated our small business to it. The day the salesman came in from Xmission I nearly wet myself.
Two years ago we installed a second T1 as the first just wasn't providing enough bandwidth. At the time of the installation I told the company providing the second T1 that if Utopia ever became available I wanted it written in the contract I could cancel without a fee. They laughed and told me Utopia was a pipe dream and they were more than glad to accommodate that provision.
Boy were they surprised when I called them up.
We now have 30/30 fiber from Xmission which we use VOIP over for 1/18 the cost we use to pay for 2 T1's and Quest phone fees. |
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ccoggle
join:2001-08-06
Salt Lake City, UT
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Re: TOPOLOGY
Hate to break it to you. In the asian markets ~100 megabit per household is very common. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to gatorkram
Re: 'If you build it, they will come.'
said by gatorkram :said by TKJunkMail :Sure they will: While UTOPIA cables now run near 44,000 homes, the network has just 5,100 subscribers. Eventually the taxpayers in the cities dumb enough to back the bonds will see higher taxes for this government boondoggle. So? This attitude is one of the drawbacks of having so many people in the country who do not pay their fair share of taxes. If tax burden was shared equally (in that everyone paid the same percentage of their income in taxes), and everyone actually felt the pain of a tax hike, then people would not be wishing for one or supporting one. In the USA, half of the wage earners pay nearly 97% of all the taxes. The remaining people do not pay an amount proportional to the top half, so they are more likely to support a tax hike because the odds are, they won't see the impact of it at all.
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ccoggle
join:2001-08-06
Salt Lake City, UT
| reply to TKJunkMail
Somehow I doubt you live in the Qwest footprint.
The company refuses to invest in their infrastructure and are just waiting to be bought out. In the mean time anyone in their service zone is forced to purchase their slow antiquated services at absolutely insane prices. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to pnh102
97% of the taxes are paid by 50% of the people? Hmm.. how about 98% of the wealth is owned by 2% of the people. People who CAN afford to pay more, SHOULD pay more. If you make 250,000.00 a year, I have NO PROBLEM if you pay 150,000.00 in taxes. If you make 50,000.00 a year, I have no problem if you pay 0.00 in taxes.
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KoolMoe
Aw Man
Premium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
·Speakeasy
| reply to pnh102
Or...they increased their revenue in one year's time by 1000%. If they can keep even half that growth, this year they'll do $9 million in revenue. Hey, suddenly that's 11 years to pay off the investment.
They do a quarter of that growth next year, that's $22.5 million. WOW, only 5 years to pay it off!
Of course, none of that is profit, more loans will be needed, costs will continue, and the above would be a pretty outstanding growth rate.
But it's just as possible as the negativity y'all are insisting upon.
AND it allows actual services competition and allows for more consumer choice. Yeah, there's a loss of infrastructure competition which is a necessary downside, IMO, considering the nightmare the current ILEC/Cable monopolies have created.
I wonder how long it took AT&T to be profitable with their government credits?
KM
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