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Comments on news posted 2006-12-24 11:23:01: The number of fiber-optic broadband Internet subscriptions in Japan reached 7 million in the third quarter, according to the latest country data. As recently mentioned, Japan leads all OECD countries in terms of total FTTH customers. ..


dodgetech2

join:2002-01-01
Gouldsboro, PA

100Mbps connectivity for $39

Man , I have no idea what i would do with that connection..I guess I could find something

53059959
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PwnZone

Re: 100Mbps connectivity for $39

warez my friend. warez.
backness

join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
You just can't imagine it because you are used to NA internet

Tzale
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NYC Metro

Re: 100Mbps connectivity for $39

said by backness:

You just can't imagine it because you are used to NA internet
I'd take "North American" internet any day over "Asian" internet. So, what is "Asian" internet? Smoke signals in Siberia? Censored websites in China? Nonexistent internet in North Korea?

bah, they can keep it. I like my North American internet! And for the hell of it, I wouldn't mind letting the Mexicans in on the group.

-Tzale
King Duck

join:2005-04-10
Elizabeth City, NC

Re: 100Mbps connectivity for $39

On the other hand, Japanese internet, which is what this is talking about, has unrestricted access to your NA internet.....
So, 100Meg for $39 a month is a great deal whichever way you look at it.
Although maybe xenophobes are blind to logic?
King Duck

join:2005-04-10
Elizabeth City, NC

Re: 100Mbps connectivity for $39

Just remembered....
And if you try to get truly unlimitted broadband in Australia you are restricted to slow dsl or cable and pay $200 to $300 a month for the privilege....
The cheaper broadband plans over there either cut you off when you reach your monthly quota or slow you down to, essentially, dialup speed for the remainder of your month.

thender2
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Staten Island, NY

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Re: 100Mbps connectivity for $39

said by King Duck:

Just remembered....
And if you try to get truly unlimitted broadband in Australia you are restricted to slow dsl or cable and pay $200 to $300 a month for the privilege....
The cheaper broadband plans over there either cut you off when you reach your monthly quota or slow you down to, essentially, dialup speed for the remainder of your month.
Australia does not count, they are spineless when it comes to technology.
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45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
Because we all know that Japan is a communist country that oppresses their citizens. South Korea is also very oppressive.

Why, neither of those countries are democratic at all! Their Internet access is also very censored. Yup...
grandpinaple

join:2006-01-03
New York, NY

Re: 100Mbps connectivity for $39

Yeah except most websites you'd even care about are so far away from Japan that you will be lucky to get dial up speeds.

sitrix

join:2002-04-15
Tacoma, WA

Re: 100Mbps connectivity for $39

You are welcome to keep thinking that, but you are wrong... Japan is constantly laying additional fiber lines over Pacific and has direct links to LA and Seattle... Tokyo pings are only about 40-60ms higher so difference is minimal. Granted that you will never get your full 100mbits in Japan from a single source in NA due to limitations of Pacific links, but if you thread your connection then maxing out your pipe won't be a problem.
RayW
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said by 45612019:

Because we all know that Japan is a communist country that oppresses their citizens. South Korea is also very oppressive.

Why, neither of those countries are democratic at all! Their Internet access is also very censored. Yup...
I hope that was a joke, because I did not find Korean internet censored at all, at least the sites I normally go to here in the US of A I could access over in Seosan, Korea, which is NOT a big tourist area.

Now if you could put some examples of the censoring you think they do here, and what material they do not want you to see, then I might believe you.
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dadkins
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Do what you do now... just a hell of alot faster!

Remember, that's UPLOAD speed too!

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freebird152

join:2006-10-06
Dinuba, CA
Damn, 100mbps, cant even imagine. A 155mbps fiber connection provides the backbone for my Fixed Wireless Internet...
jammmin

join:2000-12-14
Upper Marlboro, MD
said by dodgetech2:

Man , I have no idea what i would do with that connection..I guess I could find something
Lots of internet porn. lol

hayabusa3303
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Why upgrade.

Does it matter if your on dsl,cable,wireless,FTTH if the BACKBONE is about out of room? Sure you might buy that connection100/100 at 39 a month but i bet your real speeds are closer to 30mbps or so and PING times are as bad as satellite.

BloodRoses
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Louisville, KY

Re: Why upgrade.

...no. Just, no. Not this again.

Michieru2
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Miami, FL

Re: Why upgrade.

Yes this again!

*Michieru has a big grin on his face*
SinNombre

join:2004-09-16
Charlotte, NC

and little to no choice...

OK - the backbone is filling up and I still have little to no viable alternative to my measly 5mb/ 320kbps cable connection?


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Re: and little to no choice...

said by SinNombre:

OK - the backbone is filling up and I still have little to no viable alternative to my measly 5mb/ 320kbps cable connection?


No thats just TW putting the screws to us thats all

Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL

....

What kind of DSL technology has speeds up to 47Mbps??
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here
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Re: ....

Residential wise?

VDSL,VDSL2,ADSL2 bonded across 4 lines, ADSL2+ bonded across 2 lines. VDSL2 from what I understand can easily do 47mb/s if you're withing about 1.5-2kft or so.

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FTTH often pitched as economic driver...

..., but is it? Japan is widely recognized as the leading proponent of FTTH and the government thru MITI guidance has done everything they can to make this happen. But what has it got them? Not much. Japan has been trailing the world in economic growth thru this whole period. To me, it seems Japan needs less centralized mgt of the economy and subsidized broadband and a more open capitalist system.
Some stats:
A chart showing economic growth rate. Japan is tied for last place among OECD countries:
»dx.doi.org/10.1787/511708367123

OECD Growth rates of GDP

The above came from OECD sources:
»stats.oecd.org/WBOS/ViewHTML.asp···&Lang=en
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bogey780

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Re: FTTH often pitched as economic driver...

Well it's not their market driving broadband development. When you have the gov't pushing for it you'll see broadband growth even to the detriment of the market.

John T

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Interestingly, Japan is basically tied in the percentage of people with broadband with the US, according to the OECD. That's, unsurprisingly, related to the fact that FTTH in Japan has been limited to Tokyo and central Osaka, although I hear that they're expanding to the rest of the country now. If you're out in the rural areas, it's not exactly a broadband paradise. But in Japan pretty much everything revolves around Tokyo, especially these days. Still, it's the kind of thing people call the Digital Divide around here-- amazing symmetric 100MBit fiber connections in Tokyo and Osaka, and jack squat elsewhere.

And Ireland is way near the bottom of the OECD numbers on broadband connections, even though last I checked even their per capita GDP was quite good. Oh well, things are complicated.

The US is 12th in the OECD numbers on broadband, and I'm gratified that people are constantly thinking of ways to make us better, and complaining that we're not. However, people rarely seem to read the numbers and see that Germany, France, Italy, Spain, and almost all the other big countries are also behind the US or, like the UK and Japan, essentially tied in the number of people with broadband. (Obviously, though, fat pipe symmetric fiber isn't the same thing as cheap low tier DSL.)

Canada leads the G7 in broadband penetration. Interestingly, all the leading countries in the OECD data are northern countries at high latitudes, except for South Korea. At times I almost wonder if the weather encourages more broadband usage in the Nordic countries as opposed to the Mediterranean ones.

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Re: FTTH often pitched as economic driver...

said by John T :

That's, unsurprisingly, related to the fact that FTTH in Japan has been limited to Tokyo and central Osaka
That was a long time ago. Now it's available pretty much everywhere.
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kaila

join:2000-10-11
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Not sure if you can draw conclusions with regard to GDP and broadband in Japan. Their GDP is unfortunately skewing downward due to an accelerating decline in workforce population, with no end in sight. Because of this, it's no surprise Japan is moving or expanding facilities where the workers are (i.e. elsewhere in Asia primarily) with native Japanese holding the top positions. Japan's relative productivity gains are a definite concern, but they clearly started out with way ahead (compare US and Japan's auto industries in the 80~90's) and other countries are clearly catching up.

What stands out in my eyes is NTT's 1-Tbit to 10-Tbit expansion compared with AT&T's 40 to 100G-bit 2010 backbone upgrade (a 100 fold difference!). Granted NTT is 2~3 times larger than AT&T and offers much higher speeds to their customers.


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