ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Lol
Way to go!
I hate it when cities try to limit progress like trying to block Walmart from opening shop, stop McMansions, etc. |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | Don't they know?
Might makes right. If AT&T pushes their money, influence, and power around then local laws be damned, they will do what they damn well please. |
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sea93
join:2001-11-01
River Grove, IL
| I thought that some of these franchise agreements(short sighted) these towns have specifically mention cable, and this is how AT&T figures it does not have to comply.
The law is....what the law is.....
I love how people whine and cry when others play by the laws that the whiners wrote and it doesn't work out quite as planned. |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs:
 ·VOIPo
| reply to ninjatutle
Re: Lol
said by ninjatutle  :Way to go! I hate it when cities try to limit progress like trying to block Walmart from opening shop, stop McMansions, etc. Well, I hate it when these large corporations think they are above all the laws in place and ignore them. If you don't like it then do something to get it chenged. Otherwise, until that change occurs, OBEY THE LAW!!!
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| reply to sea93
Re: Don't they know?
I would be quite sure though that AT&T is rather happy to "compete" against those who actually have to abide by the franchise agreement system (assuming AT&T doesn't).
If they were all exempt and they had to compete against an unfettered cable build out they might not be so thrilled, and would likely file a suit against the city on that.
Personally I don't really think these agreements have actually done a lot of good over the long haul. There might be pockets of benefit, but overall I think it is negligible.
K.
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | Bet the city leaders were smiling while deployment happened
Good to see another city working against what is good for its people. this will just continue to raise costs for everyone. |
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DaBavarian
Premium
join:2006-02-22
Saginaw, MI |  reply to ninjatutle
Re: Lol
I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to ninjatutle
Yeah, just you wait until it's your business they want to destroy, or your house they want to seize land next to and bulldoze and set up 24/7 operations on.
There's a reason cities need zoning laws. |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
Premium
join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH |  Like I said before...
...If they don't want it, we'll take it here!!! |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| Milwaukee Clean Your Own Mess Up First
»www.themilwaukeechannel.com/educ···ail.html
This city cannot even keep its own tax system up to date nor can it fund its schools correctly. How dare it wastes even more money that it does not have on a frivolous lawsuit.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to ninjatutle
Re: Lol
Yep! My city slammed the door on Walmart! 
As for AT&T... I hope they get majorly screwed for doing this! 
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SD6
join:2005-03-26
| reply to pnh102
Re: Milwaukee Clean Your Own Mess Up First
said by pnh102 :» www.themilwaukeechannel.com/educ···ail.htmlThis city cannot even keep its own tax system up to date nor can it fund its schools correctly. How dare it wastes even more money that it does not have on a frivolous lawsuit. The lawsuit is financially justifiable. CATV franchise fees are easy money with little political fallout |
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Mega DETH
It's All About The Ping
join:2003-08-20
Watertown, WI | reply to ropeguru
Re: Lol
No matter what side your on, it's the consumer once again that gets fuked over..
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Anonuser
join:2003-01-03
Milwaukee, WI
| Att
Is running the new fiber everywhere around here. I'l take some pictures down the street from me morrow morning.
I'm all for just letting ATT build this thing out, they've been promising it for a long time, and let us have it!!!
However, I am still dis-pleased that att is only giving 6mbit for internet access. I can have that now with their current DSL!
I want faster internet access, not more TV. Milwaukee's already got Digital Broadcast, with some 20 odd channels, more then enough :P
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Mega DETH
It's All About The Ping
join:2003-08-20
Watertown, WI
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to pnh102
Re: Milwaukee Clean Your Own Mess Up First
Like you really knowing anything about WI being from Mount Airy, MD....
said by pnh102 :» www.themilwaukeechannel.com/educ···ail.htmlThis city cannot even keep its own tax system up to date nor can it fund its schools correctly. How dare it wastes even more money that it does not have on a frivolous lawsuit.
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA
| Cities
These cities are just trying to get more out of ATT than is required, necessary, or (justifiable). Att knows what the profit mar genes are, so because ATT does not want to loose money wiring NOWHERE, Kansas or any other non profitable build out. Business 101, don't do anything that is not profitable now and/or in the future. These municipalities must understand that for ATT to compete like a "Publicly Traded BUSINESS", it must be profitable. I honestly dont know what the exact answer to this problem is (national Franchise, maybe) but I do know that the city governments should and cant be asking for unreasonable requests. First of all, cities dont have enough money to be fighting corporations like att. Every city (tax payer) that fights the company looses. |
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MrMaster
What If
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Austin, TX
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
| Maybe people need to look at areas outside the major cities
I can't believe all the people in these threads that are taking AT&T's side.
Plain and simple. AT&T who think they are king shit is not obeying the rules put forth and ignoring them. If we ignore a law we get our asses thrown in jail. Maybe they need to throw the Exec's in jail then!
Right or wrong the rules are there to help protect the city or community against monopolistic tryants. Milwaukee wants a cut of the pie. Let them sue!
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squid7
Premium
join:2006-09-02
| Depends on if it pure IPTV or not
I'm not totally familiar with how U-Verse works but it's it's really IPTV they shouldn't pay otherwise it opens the door for gov't to regulate and charge for all kinds of crap running over IP. If IPTV is subject to this how long before VOIP or other services are. |
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squid7
Premium
join:2006-09-02 | reply to ropeguru
Re: Lol
That is the point...whether or not the cable TV franchise law there applies to AT&T and their IPTV service.
The court will decide. |
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to MrMaster
Re: Maybe people need to look at areas outside the major cities
How are rules that unquestionably inhibit competition protecting the city against "monopolistic tyrants"? In effect the opposite is true, with cities protecting monopolies.
Many cities (like Minneapolis) have used franchising in a way that would make the Mafia blush- they demand a percentage of revenues plus free equipment and services in exchange for the right to do business and to be protected against competition.
It baffles me how anyone on this forum could think that franchise "agreements" (read: extortion) are good for the consumer. Higher prices and fewer choices among providers do not strike me as being somehow favorable to end users. Competition is a good thing, people.
Oh, and anyone who thinks that the revenue the city gets is paid by the providing company- think again. It's the subscribers that pay the bills; businesses don't pay taxes and fees, they collect them from their customers. |
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