DreamWraith
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Mount Vernon, WA
1 edit | not the same
What AT&T is doing is far different from what *edit* comcast *edit* is doing.
Their bundled phone and internet (att) costs less TOTAL than just standalone internet, while comcast, when getting a bundle, even with limited basic cable, costs MORE total.
*edit* for clarity |
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL |  Never got the idea of dry dsl
I never saw a purpose of it cause in Florida also it cost the same if you got the phone line and DSL. |
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woody7
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Torrance, CA
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| hmmm.....
My DSL is through Earthlink,installed by Covad in SBC territory, I have Cingular as my wireless,ATT as long distance and SBC for local phone,Dish for TV, in RR cable territory (their digital cable is terrible here)...I pay $50 a month for DSL,only cause I don't want to change, cause dsl has been rock solid for over 5 years and am afraid to change, and bundling doesn't save me that much.My DSL is on its own line and if I go to SBC it will be on my regular line and will be crappy service..My city is divided up between SBC and (H)orizon a hold over from GTE Days, so my choices are limited.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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|  Regulators didn't read their own fine print
They said that AT&T had to provide naked DSL as a merger condition. But they didn't say it had to cost less than a package with voice. Sounds to me like the regulators had crappy lawyers and AT&T had good ones. This is an easy decision - you want DSL then get the bundle. You pay less and get voice thrown in for free.
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26 | "Getting Naked is Expensive in California"
Interesting choice of title lol. 
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TigerNutz
Laissez les bons temps rouler
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join:2000-12-23
Little Rock, AR | well...........
AT&T has to have a little extra coming in from somewhere to compensate poor Mr. Whitacre Jr. ($19.46 million annual) |
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beck
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join:2002-01-29
On The Road | Hmmmm
Two months ago I asked to get naked DSL in CA. ATT said they didn't DO naked DSL and I had to pay for phone service too. $5 a month for basic dialtone. |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
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·AT&T Southwest
| It's called "Penalty Pricing"
Basically, they want to charge you extra. Hell, they don't want you to have naked DSL at all, but, if you insist, sure, they'll give it to you. Literally. They are going to make sure they take the profit even if you don't want, need, or use the service. I would dump POTS service in a heartbeat if AT&T would let me. It's an extra $30 expense I don't need, but if I want DSL, I have to pay the $30.
Basically, you will pay, or you will pay more, but never will you pay less.
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tiger72
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Saint Louis, MO
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| reply to DreamWraith
Re: not the same
said by DreamWraith  :What AT&T is doing is far different from what cable is doing. Their bundled phone and internet (att) costs less TOTAL than just standalone internet, while comcast, when getting a bundle, even with limited basic cable, costs MORE total. don't lump Cable together. TimeWarner is significantly less when bundled.
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karlmarx
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Re: It's called "Penalty Pricing"
Which is exatly why the merger shouldn't go through. What benefit will the CONSUMER see if one megacorp aquires another? Will we see lower prices? NO. Will we see better service? NO. Will we see cheaper DSL? NO.
AT&T is screwing you. AT&T should be punished, with HUGE Fines, and HUGE tax increases. There is no reason for AT&T to be allowed to rip off the consumer.
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DreamWraith
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Mount Vernon, WA | reply to tiger72
Re: not the same
that was a mistype on my part. as you can see, in the second sentence i clarified by referring directly to comcast. |
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DSLTech
join:2000-12-30
San Jose, CA
| a result of no competition
this is exactly why we need competition, so that some other company can provide naked dsl for 40% less than AT&T and that will force them to stop with these ridiculous antics.
if there was only ONE car manufacturer you could go to and they charged you MORe to not have the sunroof option, would you get the option? of course. however, if the same vehicle was available for LESS without that option, then you could forgo the sunroof and save money, if you wanted.
in this case we have a monopoly and there's really nowhere else you can go to get straight copper and dsl on it.
the underlying issues here are that people, by not choosing the bundle, are making a statement about the direction of voice services, and AT&T wants to quash that statement by forcing people to see the bundled service or their voice service as the only logical option. in the end this slows the move to VoIP or cell-phone-only homes, which is a trend AT&T has nightmares about i'm sure.
and soon we'll be able to welcome this practice to all areas that AT&T covers, including bellsouth territories.
another important aspect is what does AT&T charge their competition for that same naked dsl line, in bulk? is it the same as just placing dsl on the voice or is it the same? what do the CLECs pay? |
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tiger72
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Saint Louis, MO
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| Just "some" markets?
I tried signing up for DSL, and they said i would have to either get local service for $12/mo, or pay almost $20/mo extra for their "dry" DSL.
No thanks, I'll keep cable
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Alakar
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join:2001-03-23
Milwaukee, WI
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| reply to woody7
Re: hmmm.....
said by woody7 :My DSL is through Earthlink,installed by Covad in SBC territory, You do realize that your DSL is through AT&T (formerly SBC)? Covad is buying the service from AT&T and reselling it to Earthlink, who sells it to you. That is why your paying $50 a month.
I have Cingular as my wireless,
That's AT&T
ATT as long distance
That's AT&T
and SBC for local phone,
That's AT&T
Dish for TV
AT&T partner, AT&T owns a portion of DISH.
in RR cable territory (their digital cable is terrible here)...I pay $50 a month for DSL,only cause I don't want to change, cause dsl has been rock solid for over 5 years and am afraid to change, and bundling doesn't save me that much.My DSL is on its own line and if I go to SBC it will be on my regular line and will be crappy service
Give AT&T a call. They can bundle everyone of your services together and probably save you a good deal of money. And your DSL should stay just as rock solid.
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woody7
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Torrance, CA
·EarthLink
·DSL EXTREME
2 edits | yes I know, and I will....Do they still do DSL on a separate line? I don't pay extra for it, that is what they did when I first got my dsl...At the time I had Mindspring good ISP, and Covad was doing the dsl for them, will I have to reprovision the line etc?
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telcogod9
join:2006-07-07
Houston, TX | it's the surcharges and fees on the landline
after taxes and surcharges and fees the bundle will be what, $70 bucks? And of that additional 30 T keeps maybe 25? That's why they want you to get the phone. Not to mention CABS. |
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DSLTech
join:2000-12-30
San Jose, CA | reply to woody7
Re: hmmm.....
I'd stick with Earthlink/Covad; at least you know they probably can't afford to give the government a 24/7 backdoor into your data. |
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Kardinal
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N of 49th
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| Difference in market, regulatory rules and approach
In Bell Canada territory (Ontario and Quebec, soon to include most of the Maritime provinces as well), naked DSL (aka a "dry loop") costs about $10 when you buy it from a provider other than the ILEC (Bell) along with their DSL service (there are a bunch of providers that offer this, several of whom have reps that regularly post in one of the forums here) while Bell will waive the charge if you take their DSL service (many of the other providers charge less than Bell though). Cablecos were supposed to offer open access to their network but have fought it tooth and nail and, 6 years later, there is one provider using some cableco networks but not all of them by any stretch.
Bottom line: the cost of naked DSL is far less than taking a voice service and a voice service cannot be bundled with DSL due to regulatory restrictions (again, to foster competition). This might be changing in 2007 but that's the way it stands now.
I think the FCC really dropped the ball on this one as making a service available to consumers at a rate higher than the current voice service cost is lip service to the idea of greater variety for consumers but nothing more than that.
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LBDSL
Lightning Bolt
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join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI
| reply to Alakar
Re: hmmm.....
said by Alakar :said by woody7 :My DSL is through Earthlink,installed by Covad in SBC territory, You do realize that your DSL is through AT&T (formerly SBC)? Covad is buying the service from AT&T and reselling it to Earthlink, who sells it to you. That is why your paying $50 a month. Actually that isn't really correct.
If you have DSL through a Covad Partner, it is NOT resold ILEC (at&t) dsl service.
Covad does lease the copper from the ILEC, but that is it, Covad owns their own DSLAM, and has their own IP network.
So an Earthlink/Covad ADSL line, is 100% different then at&t ADSL. Just an FYI.
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