Anonymous
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IA
1 edit | 'Toll way'?
Why not?
Since they would be making 'toll booths'.  |
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spewak
R.I.P Dadkins
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The greedy pigs are at the trough yet again! Funny how these supposed highly educated people try to make us understand their point of view. It can be broken down to such a simple statement, no whitepaper necessary: "We are greedy, we want to make a ton of money and that is the way it is!"
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Typical
This reminds me of how GM, Ford and Chrysler are trying to push the US Federal Government to nationalize health care because it helps to get those companies out of the messes that they created for themselves.
Cisco seems to be learning well from this. There's nothing in it for them if they take the risk and get into the broadband deployment racket, but since the Federal Government has unlimited funds (us), its ok for us to assume that risk. They get all the reward, of course.
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wilbilt
Pronto Resurrected
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join:2004-01-11
Oroville, CA
| Cisco Technologies....
...are certainly innovative, but there is no infrastructure to support them on a widespread basis.
Now they want us to build it out so they can profit. I say, if Cisco wants to play, they should bring their own ball.
If they build it, we will come.
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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Flower Mound, TX
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Re: Typical
I'll take that push for a national health care system. It's needed reguardless if it would save businesses some money. On the backend they'd pay higher taxes either way.
The only concern with a national health care system is that it has to have a reliable system of checks and balances to make sure that the healthcare is reliable and reasonable.
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deadi
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Perry, OH
| Sounds like crap to me
I like the internet the way it is, no need to change or "personalize". The internet is free, everyone is equal and should stay that way.
What applications is he referring to? This doesn't sound consumer friendly.
reading on......
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TechLarry
join:2002-02-02
Fairfax, VA | Self-indulgent...
We have to remember, this is the company that will end up selling most of the hardware to support this grand vision.
You always have to consider the source.
-Larry |
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DialupFool
join:2005-01-05
North Jackson, OH
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Re: Typical
said by NOCMan  :I'll take that push for a national health care system. It's needed reguardless if it would save businesses some money. On the backend they'd pay higher taxes either way. The only concern with a national health care system is that it has to have a reliable system of checks and balances to make sure that the healthcare is reliable and reasonable. Ummm no. We will pay higher taxes. Businesses DO NOT pay taxes. They simply roll up the cost in the product they sell or service they provide. If you think different your living in a dream.
As far as CISCO , maybe I'll buy some more shares, they have been doing well this year.
Later
JimC |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| said by DialupFool :Businesses DO NOT pay taxes. They simply roll up the cost in the product they sell or service they provide. If you think different your living in a dream. EXACTLY.
I was reading an article recently about how businesses impacted by the minimum wage hikes will have to raise prices now and/or fire people. I couldn't help but laugh as the people being fired probably voted for the pay hike.
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Varlik
Without Honor You Will Never Be Free
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Re: Sounds like crap to me
You know what they say if it Looks like Crap, Sounds like Crap and Smells like Crap it probably is. And I can smell Cisco's Crap 1000 miles away. Do we need a national broadband policy? Yes. Is this the plan for that policy? Hell No. Cisco's plan would kill Americas broadband growth.
You're not going to get those who haven't jumped ship to broadband to do so with this. More importantly you're not going to get those who haven't even gotten on the internet at all to do so at any speed if they know that their are toll booths waiting for them everywhere along the information superhighway.
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doubleandtriple
@verizon.net
| more speed please?, but not much more price
shouldn't the marketplace determine what speed and price customers get... I don't see why the original plan of the internet can't be commercially viable.. part of the lure of making the internet a commercial "PRODUCT" was the ability to make a PROFIT.. but there's a line some businesses want to cross between making PROFIT and PRICE GOUGING for the packet data under thinly veiled euphemisms such as:
"prioritization, artificial caps, throttling, shared network infrastructure, XDSL, build-out limitations, franchise fees, co-location//reseller schemes to defraud the customer, etc"
Part of the problem is, much of the "free ride" businesses got when the internet was a GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED NETWORK is by-in-large OVER, and companies have to build the network using next generation fiber links which they must "BUY/LEASE" or "BUILD" and maintain! And.. did I forget to mention... the Federal government snaps their fingers, and prints some money for things to get done.. for companies, it's not so easy.. but still, the model will work, IF companies are willing to "OVERBUILD" based upon the premise that customers will pay an increasing share of the cost for internet access. Companies such as Verizon and AT&T have flown the trial balloons (low priced DSL) and noticed that people are cost conscious (in their eyes: CHEAP!) about this product and have a better sense of what it SHOULD cost..
There is such a thing as balancing the build-out of the network with the scale of prices.. once there is a larger bulk of backbone ready for decreasing prices.. then increases in speed should trickle down to the end-customer, through raised speed caps/provisioning.
And..... you should EXPECT that people will want to use it for 3rd party data such as VOIP, P2P, 3rd party VIDEO, etc, etc, etc. Thus building into the network the ability to use the internet as you would use an "unlimited phone line" to talk as much as you want.. there HAS to be oversupply scale to meet this demand (similar to the 56k modem days) |
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL |  cool
I am all for it if I can set up a toll : ) Can I ticket people for speeding too fast? |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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| reply to Varlik
Re: Sounds like crap to me
And you can be sure that buried somewhere in Cisco's draft US Broadband Plan is massive tax breaks for companies.
Like Cisco, for instance.
Massive tax breaks, to be followed shortly by layoffs, off-shoring of jobs and massive executive bonuses. Plus more money from consumers, through new tarriffs and rate hikes.
So goddamn predictable, these guys. |
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jduffy
join:2006-08-20
Cincinnati, OH
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Re: Typical
said by pnh102 :This reminds me of how GM, Ford and Chrysler are trying to push the US Federal Government to nationalize health care because it helps to get those companies out of the messes that they created for themselves. The car manufacturers did not create the mess. The unions FORCED the mess onto the auto manufacturers. Greedy unions, supported by liberal Democrats, created an environment where unions held these companies hostage until they caved into their demands. This is why American manufactured cars are so expensive and why unions created a situation that caused their jobs to leave the country. They pushed and pushed for more benefits and less work to the point they caused the elimination of their own jobs. However, the auto manufacturers are still stuck with the liability. |
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jslik
That just happened
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clubs: | Is this where...
....we need to make a Senator Stevens "Tube Way" or "Tube Booth" joke? |
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danza
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join:2002-08-23
| Well
I guess this is the ideal internet |
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
49533 | reply to doubleandtriple
Re: more speed please?, but not much more price
I wonder what happened to all the dark fiber that was laid during the telecom overbuild in the early part of the decade? |
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| reply to jduffy
Re: Typical
Feel free to start working 100+ hour workweeks without overtime, and while you're at it, bring your kids into work as their small hands will be useful getting small pieces of coal out of the ground. Yeah, I love it when people blame unions for everything.
Now, with that hyperbole out of the way, everything is a two way street. They didn't have to be "forced" into the unions demands-they could've just relocated! (which, BTW, is the solution to all problems here on dslreports...don't have broadband? Move!  ) |
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amungus
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Re: Well
Yep. Good pic.
That's the thing... that everyone's so afraid of. The 'net is wide open. It can be checked up on, but not entirely regulated. This is more about control (and profit of course) than it is about "services" or "next gen" or "safety" or any buzzword. It comes down to being either a FREE place, or a controlled place.
Phrases which contain words like this are just outrageous:
'net neutrality,' which eliminates the ability of the Internet to support new applications."
Um, sorry, nothing so far has "eliminated" any abilities here. The notion of "new applications" is contorted here to mean that the current system is a catastrophe and that therefore NOTHING works, which is obviously not true...
We have no excuse to let companies such as Cisco dictate to us what we should or should not need, or do with ourselves.
It is sad that so many people would rather let themselves be spoonfed a Disneyworld intarweb, an AOL-ized channel bar of "content" and be content. This idea is what drives ideas such as a two tiered (really, a ONE tier) approach... a major division, and conquest of idiocy, by idiots, for idiots.
If they really want to recreate the "inArweB" like AOL tried, and force it down people's throats, it is only because people let them. |
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amungus
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Re: more speed please?, but not much more price
hey, I thought you were Karl, the news guy, with the same avatar! ...can't wait for next season of BSG btw 
...what happened to the dark fiber you ask? I thought Google bought it all up and that they were already 2 steps ahead of everyone else  |
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