squid7
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join:2006-09-02 | Hmmm...
Missed all the 1080P pirated content. DVD rips are common but haven't seem any 1080P stuff yet and at 25GB+ each I probably won't for a while. |
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zipjay
join:2003-03-11
Louisville, KY
| DUH!
Disks can be scratched and then their no good.. however a file can be backed up onto many different mediums, takes up less space, and if the format of the video (regular video to HD for example) changes you dont need a completely new device.. just a new video card if that |
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Chris 313
Come get some
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join:2004-07-18
Houma, LA
clubs: | Piracy will continue to win until...
Piracy will continue to win until the suckers wise up, offer a sensible solution with pricing and no DRM. |
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zipjay
join:2003-03-11
Louisville, KY | yes drm is bad..
why is it bad? because people dont want to be told what they can and cannot do with something |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to squid7
Re: Hmmm...
meh 1080p isnt that good that im going to buy two DVD players. call me when i can get a dual format HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player for 90 bucks down at the best buy. or one format wins out and sells players at walmart prices.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to zipjay
Re: yes drm is bad..
exactly when i buy that DVD it is now MINE, if i want to rip it to my Laptop for road trips that is my right as given to me by US Copyright law(aka Fair use). HD-DVD and Blu-Ray steal this right from under your feet in the name of hollywood's bottom line.
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  Just another pro thief rant from "the Inquirer"
I think that is their default position - anti-corporate, power to the people, steal it instead of buy it. Whether DRM laden Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is marketable or not was irrelevant to their position, which is always, as usual - steal it.
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squid7
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join:2006-09-02 | reply to Kearnstd
Re: Hmmm...
I would imagine the bulk of Blu-Ray owners will be PS3 users. |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
| Enquirer
Since when was The Enquirer a good source for news? Their opinions are usually to the extreme and based on feeding a niche over actual fair reporting. I like the "dumb enough" quote. As of the average user, who doesn't know what DRM is or does, buying a product with it, which has a limitation they will never even notice, make them dumb. |
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John_W
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join:2000-04-25
Worcester, MA
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| reply to Chris 313
Re: Piracy will continue to win until...
Piracy will continue in some shape or form but can you imagine downloading a HD DVD? For those using bittorrents, what used to take a day or two, will now take a week or two.
But we'll wait and see. By the time HD players come down in price, we may have something new available that will accomodate the larger file sizes. Either that or we all subscribe to a newsgroup service and full speed ahead.
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Tired
@src.org
| So Sad...
The conversion from VHS to DVD was a necessary step because the "broadband" internet was still maturing. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are way out of reach for most consumers and absolutely confusing for others. They also come at a time where the internet has become many more things than just simple web pages. Movie houses would just be better off in the near future setting up monthly subscriptions to download a limited number of movies each month. Do away with DRM and keep the subscription somewhat reasonable so pirating is not as attractive... |
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Alpine
Premium
join:2000-01-11
Atlanta, GA
1 edit | reply to Maxo
Re: Enquirer
Exactly. The VAST majority of users don't know about or care about DRM. They just want a DVD that works and looks good, which they get.
I understand the gripes of the .000005% of the population that would actually rip an HD-DVD to a hard-drive, but calling people who buy discs "stupid" is ... well ... stupid.
You might as well call people that BitTorrent movies "thieves.." Oh, wait...
Adam |
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Apollo729
join:2006-08-28
Avis, PA | reply to squid7
Re: Hmmm...
You must not be looking in the right places then, I done a search for 1080p and returned at least 50 different things, many of them TV shows, but still, there is 1080p stuff out there, most clocks in at around 12 to 26GB. |
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA
1 edit | Media companies missing the woods for the trees.
Ok, poor news source aside (never take what the Inquirer says at face value), the big media companies have been adding tons of restrictions on their digital formats in order to combat piracy. What they've been missing, though, is the huge potential to make tons of money if there were no restrictions.
If DRM were to disappear tomorrow:
- Anyone could buy from iTunes, Napster, etc and put the music on their favorite MP3 player. This would benefit users (like me) whose portable music players aren't iPods and don't support Microsoft's PlaysForSure format. It would also benefit the big media companies, though. Since more people would be able to buy, more people *would* buy and more money would wind up in their pockets.
- Innovative hardware technologies to store and play movies and music could really take off. These would only fuel more demand for movies and music and would increase sales. As an example, there was a story awhile back about a company looking to make a set top box that would rip your DVD collection to an internal hard drive for easy play back. Sure, it was only for the rich (the price tag was somewhere around $10,000), but it was a great idea and, in time, prices would have fallen enough to make it affordable for the average consumer.
Instead of that company making piles of cash, though, the media companies sued them because their device might possibly be used for piracy. I don't know what happened with the lawsuit, but the device never made it to market. (The lawsuit was probably dropped when the company dropped the device.)
Sure, there would be those who would still pirate their movies and music, just as there would still be those who would refuse to pay the asked price for their movies and music and would instead download pirated content. There exists a core group of "pirates" who wouldn't stop pirating even if the recording industry sold non-DRMed 320kbps MP3s for a penny each.
However, that same group includes people who wouldn't think twice about breaking any DRM scheme they are presented with and uploading the content "unprotected." It only takes one person to break the DRM before it spreads across the P2P groups like wildfire.
DRM hasn't worked, isn't working, and will not work. No system will be 100% secure. After all, at some point it needs to play for the viewer/listener. Pirates only needs that 0.001% insecurity to crack the DRM scheme wide open. The media companies spend large amounts of money to "protect" their content, while the pirates simply spend a little free time breaking it.
If I could run the media companies, I would tell them to change their approach as so:
1 - Continue to go after the for-profit pirates. These are the folks who burn a thousand copies of a DVD and then sell them on the street for $2 each. Get the full force of law after these guys.
2 - Accept that a certain amount of piracy will happen. Sure, ideally you would like that every copy out there will have been paid for, but we don't live in an ideal world.
3 - Fight to lower the "not for profit piracy" (e.g. P2P sharing) by making it more attractive to get your content legally. To do this:
a) Drop all DRM schemes. Allow anyone to reverse engineer any existing schemes to free up and previously sold content.
b) Encourage hardware manufacturers to come up with innovative ways to let consumers use the content they buy. That DVD movie storage box was a good idea. I'd buy more DVDs if I knew that I could play them all with a push of a button and without worrying that my toddler would break the discs. I can see having some restrictions on the hardware manufacturers to keep from encouraging people to make copies of their purchased songs/movies for friends, but don't let that block the customers right to use the content for their own personal purposes in any way they see fit.
c) Sell non-DRMed content online. Take advantage of the preference of some customers to get "better versions" by selling higher quality versions for slightly more money. Take a lesson from AllOfMP3 instead of recoiling in horror at them. After all, whether you like them or not, you can't deny that they seem to have gotten something right with the customers.
If media companies were to do all of this, sales would rise and people would buy more hardware and content. I can even see the beginnings of this in some tentative steps by the recording industry to "experiment" with non-DRMed MP3s. (I'd give even odds, though, that they'll find some reason to declare the non-DRM experiment a failure and tighten DRM restrictions instead). |
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Pete_64
join:2001-12-20
KingstonON
| reply to Tired
Re: So Sad...
problem with a internet based media for movies, is the bandwidth is still not where it needs to be to provide fast services. When downloading a movie is quicker then driving 5 miles to the video store and spending 20 mins finding a movie and waiting in line and driving home. Then WE will talk
When people spend there hard earned money they expect something physical in there hand to remind them what they spent there money on.
I purchased and downloaded a piece of software and it just isn't the same as going out and buying the packaging along with the manual and CD/DVD. Even though it provided me the same results. Its still not the same.
my service provider currently offers a 16meg service with 10meg being standard. But the time to download HD movies will still be a chore. Problem I see is the corporate pipes that would provide the movies won't be fast enough to handle the load.
Whats next purchasing Blue ray / HD DVD, and the player keeps track of how many times you watch it. soon the movie industry will only allow you to watch the movie X amount of times before you have to repurchase.
I have the Xbox 360 HD dvd Drive addon, and I am very happy with my purchase. and one day might pick up a ps3 in the clearance section for the blueray. One thing that I hate is seeing a movie I love and can't watch it in HD because its blue ray.
Wow I am all over the map with my post, should end it. :P |
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Angralitux
join:2004-05-20
DO
| Ok, then a few questions...
if there there aren't any video disc format, how I, the "dumb" user, be able to pirate a movie? I suppose that for piracy to happen, it should be at least 1 legit copy, and there are some out there already predicting the dead of the disc formats that are not out yet
what about downloads, how I'm supposed to pirate a DRM infected file??
maybe, we'll stay with screeners, that look so bad that makes VHS looks like the holy grail 
/Sarcasm off
honestly I don't think DRM is a good thing to end users, but I do believe that tech is changing, so I will embrace the new formats, as will be most of "dumb" users. I don't care for whatever DRM they put on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray as they probably will be bypassed anyway, as happened with DVD copy protection.
just stick to whatever you think is good to you, and if it serves its purpose, good. |
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stet
Volitar Prime
join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI
| reply to Kearnstd
Re: yes drm is bad..
said by Kearnstd  :if i want to rip it to my Laptop for road trips that is my right as given to me by US Copyright law(aka Fair use). Really? Can you point out where in copyright law it states this?
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2kmaro
Think
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join:2000-07-11
ColossalCave
clubs:
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Re: Piracy will continue to win until...
said by Chris 313 :Piracy will continue to win until the suckers wise up, offer a sensible solution with pricing and no DRM. I think I've been saying for at least the past 6 yrs that they are going to have to come up with a new business model. They haven't (come up with the model or listened to me) yet.
I still say the optimum that would leave the thieves, er, excuse me I should say pirates I suppose, no excuse such as too expensive, too much crap to buy on an album to get one or two decent cuts, would be both in-store and on-line purchase ability al a cart. That is, you go and order up the tunes/movies/shows you want on an individual basis, pay a reasonable price for them and get a custom built CD/DVD at the brick-and-mortar store or download for burning on line.
I've even talked to record shop owners who thought the idea was great, but of course RIAA and all the others would never dream of actually providing that kind of custom sales ability.
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vinnie97
join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX | reply to Apollo729
Re: Hmmm...
TV shows at 1080p? Broadcasts aren't even greater than 720p currently... |
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81399672
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join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
| congratulation everyone that worked on this project
I would like to congratulate everyone that worked on this project  Microsoft will not agree that piracy won, but in time they will see the light at the end of tunnel |
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