brianiscool
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| said by brianiscool  :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. Of course, they do have something to hide. Because most of the bittorrent users(NOT ALL) are using it to steal movies and songs.
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Kevin83165
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brianiscool
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Miami, FL | Lets just start encrypting all of our data. |
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meister_sd
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La Mesa, CA | reply to brianiscool
This article doesn't discuss "hiding" because of downloading whatever, it discusses encryption to get around the throttle of ISPs. |
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danclan
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said by brianiscool :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. This quote is so stupid its beyond words...You see it all the time .. "Well if you are innocent you don't need to worry....or If you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have to worry".
Why not? Who says? Where is the line drawn? You are explicitly giving up your rights as a user or citizen when you post such drivel. I want my government to fear me. I vote them into office, they work for me. I want my telco/cable co power co to fear me. I am their customer as is my neighbor and his neighbor. We pay explicitly for them to provide me a service.
How I chose to transmit information is none of their concern. Whether I use encryption or not is of no importance. Whether I'm hiding information from my kids or wife or neighbor is none of the telcos or governments concern. I could be encrypting everything just because I can and you know what...that's my prerogative. |
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squid7
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1 edit | reply to brianiscool
As another poster mentioned, the throttling ISP's are throttling BT no matter what you're transferring. It's not like they see you downloading a movie so they throttle you. |
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squid7
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4 edits | I just looked a the Wiki list
and it doesn't seem that too many major US providers are really limiting BT traffic. Some prevent seeding but seeding would already be a violation of most providers' AUP (serving). Others on the list as limiting traffic limit total monthly traffic no matter what you're doing; like my provider, Cox, which limits use to 40GB or 60GB down per month and something like 10-15GB/mo up regardless of what the content is.
What US ISPs specifically going after BT traffic? |
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SinNombre
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Re: If you have nothing to hide.
that's naive and contrary to the reason why most ISPs traffic shape or try to lock down popular torrent ports in the first place. even if you aren't trying to "hide" something, alot of companies (read the freakin article, first) limit torrents for completely arbitrary reasons, anyway. |
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exocet_cm
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DJ Doboy and I think DJ GT both use torrents to distribute their free music. Not everybody uses this technology for illegal purposes. |
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MASantangelo
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Wrong.
The only people who are allowed to view data that I send are myself and the person I'm sending it to.
That's why encryption is necessary.
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Hangmn
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said by brianiscool :Lets just start encrypting all of our data. Thats EXACTLY what we should do, with bullshit like the patriot act and unfettered access for law enforcement, that my friends shall be the wave of the future...this is only the beginning.
I don,t need to be doing wrong to want privacy..it is MY DIVINE RIGHT as an AMERICAN CITIZEN...are you familiar with a little document know as the CONSTITUTION???
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Asmodeus
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said by brianiscool :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. that's a pretty dopey statement considering the level of packet snooping that takes place on a daily basis... encryption isn't just about bittorrent... it's about keeping data safe and away from the prying eyes of people with the ability to cause you grief... that whole "if you have nothing to hide" statement is crap and needs to be dropped wholesale... it may have worked at one time, but not anymore... the sheer amount of data that flows on a daily basis begs that you hide and encrypt as much data as you possibly can... the fact that data isn't already defacto encrypted is a mystery to me considering the state of the net these days... and it won't get better as long as the net is a bleeding-edge frontier of the wild bit west... |
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said by SinNombre :even if you aren't trying to "hide" something, alot of companies (read the freakin article, first) limit torrents for completely arbitrary reasons, anyway. It is not completely arbitrary. They do it because the bittorrent users flood upstream bandwidth and negatively impact other users trying to use limited resources. The only solutions are:
1 - ISPs upgrade infrastructure to provide more upstream bandwidth. But that cost lots of money and WILL significantly increase rates for all users.
2 - block bittorrent traffic so the upgrades aren't necessary.
3 - and my personal favorite - charge mucho extra dollars for those users eating up upstream bandwidth beyond some floor that gets 90% of the users no cost increase, but slaps big charges on the heavy users(worst 10%). They then underwrite the infrastructure upgrade costs.
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Is the throttling of BT traffic limited to ISPs located in East Jibip, Nowhere? Where exactly are all these ISPs who are "throttling" traffic? I have yet to see it happening in any of the different metros I have lived or visit on a regular basis. Or is this just another imaginary issue because this site is scraping the bottom of the barrel for a byline. |
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Trinijoy
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Re: If you have nothing to hide.
Excuse me?
We have the right to have privacy at our house and ESPECIALLY at our computer. This is not "1984". If I want to encrypt my data or other data for security purposes I WILL. No matter if it's document files that are important or pictures from my wedding. There are too many hackers out there now who will do anything to anyone's computer. And there are MANY MANY legal Torrents out there for just Movie trailers, files. So they throttle bad torrents, they throttle good. Where does it end? |
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Encrypting the data isn't protecting torrent users from the MPAA/RIAA at all. All it does is keep your ISP from determining what kind of traffic you are pushing through your connection. Your IP is still visible on the other end thus traceable to you.
I do feel it's none of the governments nor my ISP's business who I email or what websites I visit. With that in mind, I also encrypt a lot of my traffic with tor and use encrypted IM. I have nothing to hide, but it's still my private information. In America, the ISPs really are not doing too much yet to threaten privacy or lock down traffic. I don't like my google searches being archived, because I've done some searches that are private, so I use tor when I use google most of the time.
I'll worry when the US government tries to make illegal such 99.9% untraceable services such as TOR. My guess the excuse will be to stop terrorism or perverts who like to look at naked pictures of kids, but the ultimate goal will be the control of information. |
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insomniac84
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Re: If you have nothing to hide.
Don't forget online games which use bittorrent. If your games uses it and your ISP throttles it, your games updates take weeks instead of minutes.
It's anti competitive business at it's finest. Cripple any service that uses bittorrent and (if net neutrality fails) offer them a premium service that allows all of the ISPs customers to download games updates at full speed. |
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brianiscool
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Miami, FL | Companies like Blizzard should not offer bitorrent in the first place. People are paying a lot of money per month and the company should provide direct download access instead for the patches. |
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said by Hangmn :said by brianiscool :Lets just start encrypting all of our data. Thats EXACTLY what we should do, with bullshit like the patriot act and unfettered access for law enforcement, that my friends shall be the wave of the future...this is only the beginning. I don,t need to be doing wrong to want privacy..it is MY DIVINE RIGHT as an AMERICAN CITIZEN...are you familiar with a little document know as the CONSTITUTION??? Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
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