thender2
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4 edits | The reasons, let's list!
a) Selection. The chances of an old obscure movie being on one of these services vs emule is so tilted in emule's favor, because everyone gets to contribute, not just a few people who think they may have gotten every movie people will care about.
b) Choice. Do I want a 720p x264 for the HDTV? Do I want a moderate sized file at 960x544? Do I want a lower quality one for a normal TV or a portable at 624x352, or cross compatibility across devices that can't handle?
Do I want the original DVD? Do I want a DVD shrunk with CCE? Do I want a 1 CD xvid, or a 2 CD xvid of that movie?
c) Codec. x264 and xvid are better than DivX and whatever else they'll be using. I'm sure they'll encode using the worst settings regardless of what codec they use anyway.
Right now, the standard for buying music is 128k WMA or AAC. At least eMusic has it right with --alt-preset standard MP3s. If they encode video as well as they encode audio, it'll be awful. 128k isn't bad, it's sampling quality. I don't pay for samples.
If I want to buy from the iTunes music store, I want a choice. Do I want AAC, do I want FLAC, do I want MP3, do I want Vorbis? This issue hasn't even been addressed in the music market, much less the video one.
d) Freedom. DRM? No DRM. Am I going to replace my Cowon A2 that cost $330 at time of purchase with something else, that's probably worse, so I can play their video? Hell no!
DRM locks you into using only certain players, with certain formats. It's so easy for companies to abuse, it nearly destroys free market.. imagine if there were more major chip makers than intel and AMD, say ten, and each one had a different PSU standard. ATX, CTX, JTX. Imagine it changes over time for each chip maker. That's kind of like the current state of DRM.
e) Price. Downloadable video costs almost as much as the original, why the hell do I want to pay as much for a compressed file as I can for the original?
People are willing to pay - see giganews, UNS, newshosting. See people upgrading from 768/128 $17/month DSL to $45/month cable, or better DSL, or fiber. See the average consumer buying 750 GB drives because he ran out of space on his 500. The issue isn't in the price. Overall, it's freedom. It's "I don't want you controlling content I pay for." I want a choice in what I pay for, and that's what the content cartels either get but don't want to admit, or are dumb enough to not get. Either way, it's killing them.
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lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness
join:2001-12-24
Canada
| There are only several significant DRM-players in the market.
Digital Right Management is actually quite important, but its merely being abused.
If history tells us anything, it will take approximately 50 years for that to change.
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mumixam
join:2004-08-10
1 edit | reply to thender2
well put, Thasp
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thender2
Glamour Profession
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said by lawrence171  :There are only several significant DRM-players in the market. Digital Right Management is actually quite important, but its merely being abused. If history tells us anything, it will take approximately 50 years for that to change. DRM isn't important at all.
There will always a different version of that file on usenet, or P2P. Name a single DRMed piece of media on iTunes that isn't on a P2P network or usenet already, in equal or better quality.
If the file is already available on these networks, then there is no point to DRM. DRM is there to prevent the file from being copied, but if there are better copies of the file out there without DRM already, on the networks that DRM is supposed to avoid them going to, then why bother with it? It's a waste of money and it only bothers people.
DRM is the equivalent of closing the front door of the apartment complex and leaving the backdoor open. It doesn't keep people from getting in, it just annoys people who want to get home.
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major marco
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clubs: | Outstanding, Thasp. |
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Lysis
join:2005-03-30
Brooklyn, NY | reply to thender2
8 percent of what?
8% seems low to me |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | 8 percent my friend equals to 80 percent lol now do u call that high lol. |
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93254336
Weapons Of Masturbation
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join:2001-10-20 | Note what's being downloaded most...
"Of those p2p video downloads, 60 percent were adult-film content, 20 percent were TV shows and 5 percent were mainstream films."
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shimonmor
join:2000-12-30
Sedro Woolley, WA
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| Porn
I'm sure the porn industry is furious that the majority of video downloads are taking the food off their tables.
I Googled the "NDP group" to see who finances their research. Looks like their clients are businesses ("NPD has over 1600 clients, ranging from Fortune 100 leaders to smaller businesses"). I wonder if they have an agenda other than straight market research?
I think their numbers are misleading because of the way they set up the parameters. 10MB files are pretty small for video. And the fact that 60% of the stuff is porn throws off the whole thing because it seems to me they are skewing this research towards the movie/TV industry. They need to conduct their research in a better manner for their numbers to have significance. |
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P2PPirate2
join:2005-02-02
New York, NY | reply to 93254336
Re: Note what's being downloaded most...
LOL, so porn do rule the internet. |
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RayW
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1 edit | And my wife bought over 36 DVDs from mail order
That is one HECK of a lot more than it seems NPD is looking at on a per capita basis. She wants a real product, not downloaded smoke and mirrors that may have a time bomb in it that may do something unexpected ranging from vanishing to destroying your machine (Sony? you listening?).
I am suspect of the numbers used, since most people I know (not all) would not consider using NPD's monitoring software, ESPECIALLY if doing porn or "illegal" downloads.
Edit: Spelling
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OB Kenobi
join:2005-05-29
Brooklyn, NY
| Time Warner Are The Pirates
These stupid DRM'd media players are going to wind up having more security on them than a nuclear warhead.
I also question the validity of these piracy statistics in the first place. 8% of households *WITH BROADBAND* compared to 2% of *ALL* households. How much would that be?
If those numbers are even accurate. Are you telling me that NPD asked the entire country? It's the people they didn't ask that are buying their media. Still buying VHS tapes no doubt, by the millions.
I've said it before, if cable companies stopped charging criminally inflated prices for digital cable then no one would have to pirate anything.
$60 for basic digital... WTF ARE YOU DOING, TIME WARNER! I HOPE VERIZON CRUSHES YOU! THEN I HOPE SOMEONE CRUSHES VERIZON! |
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shimonmor
join:2000-12-30
Sedro Woolley, WA
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| said by OB Kenobi :WTF ARE YOU DOING, TIME WARNER! I HOPE VERIZON CRUSHES YOU! THEN I HOPE SOMEONE CRUSHES VERIZON! Easy, killer. Don't let the Dark Side of the Force get the better of you! |
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
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Re: 8 percent of what?
Most likely: world population.
Since the U.S. reached a landmark 300 bil. people recently, 6 mil of 300 bil. is like .002 percent.
This would also mean that piracy, in comparison to the total ammount of piracy in the world, is very low in the U.S. Oddly enough. Of course Asian and European coutries do, in most locations, have faster internet connections than those in the U.S..
I do have to agree with some though, that number seems a bit skimpy.
EDIT: Actually, 6 mil of total population is an even smaller percent. My second guess: A small test group? Who knows with these guys.
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MadMANN
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join:2005-08-19
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Re: The reasons, let's list!
Is it a suprise that 60% of piracy is for porn?
So, let's add to the reasons (this sort of goes with price):
e-2) Nobody wants to pay $30 for a 90 minute spank session that is only used for about 3 mins.  |
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
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Re: Time Warner Are The Pirates
said by OB Kenobi :These stupid DRM'd media players are going to wind up having more security on them than a nuclear warhead. Actually, nukes typically don't have much security to them. Why do you think the world's governments find it a problem that terrorists may get their hands on some?
You are right though, if DRM continues on this course it is going to cause major problems and they will probably start loosing customers in the millions (and possibly billions) rather than the current 'tens'.
Will these companies or the governments learn from this? Who knows, maybe there's a story to learn through the past prohibition in the U.S. somewhere, huh?
said by OB Kenobi :$60 for basic digital... WTF ARE YOU DOING, TIME WARNER! I HOPE VERIZON CRUSHES YOU! THEN I HOPE SOMEONE CRUSHES VERIZON! Easy boy. I hate it as much as you. I agree competion needs to come to the masses. Letting the likes of Verizon and ATT become as big as they did in the past is probably not going to help, but it may be a start.
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maartena
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
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| The biggest problem with DRM is freedom...
I don't know about you, but I still listen to CD's I bought in the 80ties, and still listen to MP3's I downloaded with Napster in 1997 or so.
The problem with the current DRM setup is that there are too many different types of DRM, managed by too many different types of companies. My iPod will be obsolete by 2010, and by 2015 the term "MP3" will probably have been replaced by something else. And will the MP3's that I BOUGHT from iTunes still play on the player that is the new default in 2015?
Music is timeless. And there is a good chance I will actually still listen to those CD's that I bought in the 80ties in 2010 or 2015, and they will WORK on whatever BluRay or HD-DVD player I will buy in the coming years.
I have no idea whether the DRM used on my iTunes MP3's will still work in 2015, but I do know that all current DRM standard will probably have been HACKED by 2015, and if I buy a player then, will it not play my current DRM'd music from iTunes? I am not looking forward to purchasing the same music AGAIN in 10 years time, just because new DRM rules apply.
And if I buy music, I want to do whatever the hell I want with it. So if I have a MP3 supporting CD player in my car, I want to burn them on a CD and play them there. I don't want to be restricted by big-record-label telling me I cannot play this music on this new MP3 player I just bought....
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
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Re: 8 percent of what?
300 BILLION? People? In the US? Umm, your off by a factor of 1000. There's 300 Million people in the US, NOT 300 BILLION. 6 Million = 2% of the population.
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alalper
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join:2000-08-20
Philadelphia, PA | reply to jimbo2150
Err. . . . . that's 300 million not 300 billion people in the US.  |
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AnonShawUser
join:2006-06-17
Calgary, AB
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Er? 300 Billion people? I'm not sure if you have your wires crossed, if you're confused about the total world population, if you're counting specific bacterial counts, or if you're being sarcastic.
Because, the world's population, at a stretch, is 10 Billion. The US has 300 Million people. That would make 8% be 24 Million pirates. Which isn't a small number at all. |
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