captokita
Premium
join:2005-02-22
Calabash, NC | What a suuurrrrprise!
NOT!
C'mon, the harder you make it - the more hackers will go at it. All you have to say is "Unbreakable" and someone will break it.  |
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL |  hmm
Content should not be prevented on what individuals put on their computer. |
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Foxbat121
join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA
| AACS is designed to be crackable
But only on individual devices. New film discs can contain revocation list to revoke the license of those cracked devices. The strength of AACS is not that it is not crackable but individual devices can be revoked and each manufacturers use different keys. |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | so back to the thesis
Has AACS DRM been cracked? |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| Best news I've heard all day.
Of course, there will be some 11th hour patch to the home versions of Vista to circumvent this.
I'm sure there are some angry hollywood execs making calls to MS today.
I think this also explains the staggered release. Get the business edition out there so they can see what the hackers do to it. It also allows them to spot stolen corporate keys and ban them easier. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| reply to Foxbat121
Re: AACS is designed to be crackable
said by Foxbat121  :But only on individual devices. New film discs can contain revocation list to revoke the license of those cracked devices. The strength of AACS is not that it is not crackable but individual devices can be revoked and each manufacturers use different keys. I see, so they are going to disable my device. I believe that is called sabotage and vandalism. If they do that I think you will start seeing a large number of device returns to the manufacturer.
A revocation list on new discs is essentially a trojan horse on each new DVD.
Oh, and what are they going to do when the device revocation list takes up half the disc? That is complete stupidity. |
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getrealNOW
@comcast.net | What did you really expect from MICROSUCKS ?
Did anyone really expect Vista to be secure in any way, shape or form?
Please get real NOW if you did ! |
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LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| Just them?
I kind of think it wasn't just MS. I'm sure there were people talking in their ear, so to speak, to make this content protection. I think other companies strongarmed them into doing it, like "If you don't scratch our backs, we won't scratch yours." "Look Bill, we need our content protected from the internets. We don't want anyone to be able to copy our content and do what they want with it, or put it up on The Google."  |
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chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA | reply to Foxbat121
Re: AACS is designed to be crackable
correct.by design any DRM must be crackable, otherwise they wont be playable, is a matter of keys. previous MS DRM used fixed keys, this new design will allow them to change as needed. |
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envoid
join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA
| I'm just glad glad glad!
AACS needed to be cracked anyway. The DRM encumbers everyone and their Fair Rights usage. If I buy a HD-DVD and want to plant a copy on my HTPC so I don't screw up the disc, I should be able to. DRM does nothing but make money for the crackers who discover the crack. |
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
| reply to captokita
Re: What a suuurrrrprise!
ALL DRM is NEVER totally secure. My Mac and PC has a media player on each that will import ANY format and ignores the DRM.
Case in Point:
U2's last album.
Microsoft decided this CD, How to Make an Atomic Bomb, could burn 2 times to a CD. So, I imported it into my media player (not WMP) and it allows UNLIMITED burning.
This ticks me off:
Why do online Video services really think I'm going to pay them $14.99 for a lousy contrived DVD of a movie or $1.99 for a music video?
Movielink is so dumb. You can keep the copy of the movie for 30 days but can only watch it ONCE every 24 hours. That is stupid.
Quicktime has HD.264 format. Why don't these idiots make music videos and movies in THAT format? Or DIVX?
On my cable service, On-Demand is DVD quality and I record the movie right to a DVD as I watch it. NO DRM, No Hassels, and, if there is a problem, I can buy it again, call Cox, and get a credit for the first one no questions asked.
For all the illegal downloaders, if you get sued, tough. You broke the law.
BUT:
If I pay for it, I should be able to use it for personal use on my DVD player, computer, car CD player, my music/movie player with the 60 gig HD (No, it is not an iPod) etc. however I wish.
Things they need to do:
1. Make the music download perfect without stupid requirements. iTunes and the rest provide sucky music that comes no where close to the CD you buy.
2. Videos suck worse. Why not QT HD.264 format or DIVX?
Why people pay $.99 for iTunes that sucks compared to the CD version I have no clue.
Why not all MP3s in 256kbps and all WMA in 192kbps? Anything else is a total ripoff. And, who is to blame? The 100 million idiots that bought music from iTunes!
If they would have said, "No! Make it 256kbps and I'll bite or NO iTunes," we wouldn't have crappy music at ridiculous prices and idiots stealing everything all over the place. |
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
1 edit | reply to inteller
Re: AACS is designed to be crackable
If they did that, I would sue. It is my computer NOT theirs. As long as I'm using it for personal use, why care?
Fair Use doctrine. I didn't give them "Fair Use" of my DVD device, did I? Can't claim a "EULA" or "TOS" since there are NONE in the DVD I bought. |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
 ·Embarq
| "[...] the longest suicide note in history"
(for MS) began years ago, not with this latest attempt to leverage their position atop one market for gain in another. MS appears more and more a day late and an innovative idea short when entering new markets or releasing new versions of old products. You'd think with all the extra time to market they'd hit one out of the park once in awhile. Nope; they're too busy f'd up with a twisted forest/trees thing as only an entrenched market leader could be. Must be a bitch to be that powerful yet so slow & inept, relying increasingly on market share to stumble onward from year to year.
It may come to pass that they one day rule the set-top box of total home entertainment as they do desktop computers. And I truly believe that would be a sad day in retrospect.
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"I am not young enough to know everything."
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27 | I blame Clinton
for signing the DCMA et al.
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA
| reply to kyramilan
Re: What a suuurrrrprise!
said by kyramilan :Why people pay $.99 for iTunes that sucks compared to the CD version I have no clue. Basically, they're paying for the convenience of getting one song when they might not want all of the songs on the CD. However, I agree with you that it is a ripoff when the song you buy comes with a ton of restrictions. I recently purchased 4 songs from the Barenaked Ladies online shop. The songs were in MP3 format, $0.99 each and didn't have any DRM built into them. I was completely satisfied with my purchase and would buy from them again.
said by kyramilan :Why not all MP3s in 256kbps and all WMA in 192kbps? Anything else is a total ripoff. And, who is to blame? The 100 million idiots that bought music from iTunes! Actually, I'd like to see something along the lines of AllOfMP3.com. You can pay $0.99 for a 192kbps, non-DRM-ed MP3, or you can opt to pay a bit more and get a higher bitrate. Of course, it won't happen because the RIAA is completely convinced that no-DRM equals instant piracy. What they don't see is that the pirates are already breaking the DRM (or simply ripping the CDs to MP3) releasing songs unencumbered by DRM will give legitimate consumers more power (and thus more incentive to buy) while not really helping pirates that much. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to Foxbat121
Re: AACS is designed to be crackable
if i made home electronics and someone in my company leaked codes causing 100s of devices to not work right due to the blacklist. not only would that worker be fired but id sue the movie companies for the cost of every returned TV, DVD Player and Tuner that was returned because of this. could probally win too in a non California court that is less media friendly.
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[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ | Were I a guy named Linus...
I would be cackling with glee right now.
People WILL be investigating alternatives. And seriously. |
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captokita
Premium
join:2005-02-22
Calabash, NC
| reply to kyramilan
Re: What a suuurrrrprise!
said by kyramilan :If I pay for it, I should be able to use it for personal use on my DVD player, computer, car CD player, my music/movie player with the 60 gig HD (No, it is not an iPod) etc. however I wish. Why people pay $.99 for iTunes that sucks compared to the CD version I have no clue. Why not all MP3s in 256kbps and all WMA in 192kbps? Anything else is a total ripoff. And, who is to blame? The 100 million idiots that bought music from iTunes! If they would have said, "No! Make it 256kbps and I'll bite or NO iTunes," we wouldn't have crappy music at ridiculous prices and idiots stealing everything all over the place. I'll agree with you there, I think you should be able to listen to/ watch something you PAID for anywhere, anytime.
As for the .99 iTunes - I've never used them, but I don't have an iPod - What's even worse than this, is that people will pay $4 - $5 (or more!) on a stupid ringtone of a song. That's a 20 second CLIP for cryin out loud!!!!! Talk about stupid.
But I'll agree with you, if the downloads were CD-quality, and priced right, .99 per song IS reasonable, they could do better business... not that business is hurting on iTunes - However, even if the song was .01, someone would download it for free via torrent/p2p.
Sorry this post strayed a bit OT. |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| DRM is high tech snakeoil
If it can be heard or seen, it can be copied.
Yet Microsoft, Apple, and the content cartels continue
to spend millions on it, and claim that it is needed to
reduce piracy.
They need to wake up and see that the so-called
professional 'pirates' are laughing in their collective
faces, and that DRM is doing nothing whatsoever to
reduce it.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot) |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to getrealNOW
Re: What did you really expect from MICROSUCKS ?
You got that right, Taylor01.
And it isn't just the DRM: Vista already has a number
of security flaws, some of which exploits have already
been written for. One of these allows privilege
escalation. And another one was being hawked at an
underground hacker marketplace for $50,000.
As for the DRM itself, Peter Gutmann's article ought
to be required reading for anyone considering Vista
as their next OS.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot) |
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