brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | got an idea
Why not add a Fiber Tax for everyone so we can get Fiber installed everywhere! |
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Biskit
join:2003-02-07
Fenton, MO
| Yeah thats it, lets add another tax so that the few people who might actually use the full bandwidth of that fiber connection can get it faster than what they are currently and they can stop whining........Hell while we are are at it why not add one for a new PC, to re-wire your house, because that sub-standard 2pr inside wiring isnt going to cut it, and maybe throw in an Ipod for your future music downloads........ |
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR
2 edits | Not the case
This is a typical broken window fallacy. If the town tax and spends on infrastructure the result always is economic growth. The problem is often taxes takes money that could have been better invested by business. Furthermore, I see the so call investment in muni fiber is directed towards residential broadband. IF this principal was true, we should see growth also in Tacoma Washington and Ashland Oregon both created municipal broadband networks. Both economies are stagnant.
The reason these small towns are attractive is low tax base and less regulation. Let not forget many companies can get accesses to fiber networks in many metropolitan areas from the telecoms. There must be other reasons. |
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC
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High Technology at a Low Cost + Low Cost of Living = Low Worker Wages
Perfect for call centers and such, which is why you NEVER see call centers in major metropolitan areas.
$12 a hour in BFE, Kansas where you can buy a house for $50,000 is adequate, but try living in any of the top 50 metro areas for that.
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Maxo
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Re: got an idea
said by brianiscool  :Why not add a Fiber Tax for everyone so we can get Fiber installed everywhere! Can of worms. That's why.
It would be nice, but isn't one of those things that benefits everyone, like sidewalks and roads.
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Ack, I didn't notice this is a brianiscool thread. Get me out! Get me out! |
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HotRodFoto
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join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
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Re: Easy
said by Matt :High Technology at a Low Cost + Low Cost of Living = Low Worker Wages Perfect for call centers and such, which is why you NEVER see call centers in major metropolitan areas. $12 a hour in BFE, Kansas where you can buy a house for $50,000 is adequate, but try living in any of the top 50 metro areas for that. Yes you do. Comcast has one of their national call centers located in Denver. Its for all services that they offer, my job interview is with them Friday 
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA
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From a more global perspective such a positive impact would be noticeable as long as the communities deploying fiber gain a competitive advantage. So the sooner fiber is deployed the greater advantage it would produce. The question is then how much of that growth is infused from outside and how much it is "homegrown".
Having fiber though is only a tiny bit of the equation. Equipping it and running it properly is a whole other story. Cable is a perfect example. We have a broadband "pipe" into out homes, but we don't have an operating entity in most cases willing to deploy the full capabilities of that link. Finding the trade-off between a profit-making, penny-counting selfish entity and a corrupt, inefficient, but by definition more benevolent one remains the challenge, not the fiber itself. |
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AmnChode
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join:2001-03-27
San Antonio, TX
2 edits | reply to Matt
Re: Easy
quote:
Perfect for call centers and such, which is why you NEVER see call centers in major metropolitan areas.
I beg to differ. San Antonio is full of call centers with more planning to come. |
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Jamuka
join:2005-06-06 | reply to brianiscool
Re: got an idea
Yea so we can have another tax last for 100 YEARS. It would be ok as long as when ALL the fiber was finally installed the tax would be repealed, but we know that never happens just like paying for the Spanish-American War has never gone away. |
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
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Umm, how about moving to Canada and finding out the tax rates are ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!
Why do you think Canadians sneak across the border to buy gas and cigarettes and beer? It's 1/3 the price!  |
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24
| Well Done
I've talked a lot of smack about Muni networks on these threads, but I have to admit South Dundas and Bristol are two great examples of how to do a Muni network right. $1 million is a very reasonable number to build a network to boost the local economy and Bristol built it without any public funds. Now if I could just figure out why my community is spending 25 times as much to build a FTTH network in a town 60% larger. |
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gatorkram
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join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
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| The funny thing is
When you start talking about wanting to build a fiber network, and you start talking about tax money, a lot of the people on this site freak out.
I can tell you this much, our tax money has been, and will always be, spent on much dumber things than a nationwide fiber network. At least if we spent money to roll out a fiber to the home network, across the whole country, at the end, we would have something worthwhile to show for it.
Even if it cost trillions of dollars....
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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Re: got an idea
The problem with deals like this one, where a town taxes to add infrastructure to bring in more jobs, is that all it often does is MOVE jobs from 1 place to another within a region or within a country. It does not add any net benefit to the economy of the region or country. Only when new infrastructure lowers the cost enough to become meaningful in the global economy is it worth doing.
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
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Re: Easy
said by Matt :Perfect for call centers and such, which is why you NEVER see call centers in major metropolitan areas. wow, that was a stupid comment, Tulsa is like the call center capital of the US.
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soccerguy
join:2004-06-28
Seattle, WA | reply to Maxo
Re: got an idea
If the resulting fiber installation lowers cable and phone prices by opening up the community to true competition, doesn't then everyone win? |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to inteller
Re: Easy
Tulsa is a major metropolitan area?
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC
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said by inteller :said by Matt :Perfect for call centers and such, which is why you NEVER see call centers in major metropolitan areas. wow, that was a stupid comment, Tulsa is like the call center capital of the US. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa,_Oklahoma
It's also only the 45th largest metro area with an average median family income of $35k/year with a per-capita income of about $21k.
Perfect call center land. 2080 work hours in a year divided by $21,000 = $10/hr.
I'd say my comment was right on the mark for Tulsa. Perhaps not for Denver/San Antonio, but there are always exceptions to the rule.
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squid7
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join:2006-09-02 | "resulting in 62.5 new jobs"
What is 1/2 a job? |
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wmrt
@verizon.net | .1 job is walmart at around minimum wage
.5 are ones illegal immigrants get paid more for,
while the loyal hard working american gets screwed every time plus no health benefits |
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cdigioia
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join:2005-06-08
korea, repub
·Korea Telecom
| reply to Matt
Re: Easy
said by Matt :Perfect for call centers and such, which is why you NEVER see call centers in major metropolitan areas. How about: I think you're probably right, except that only applies on the east & west coast. Further inland, the cost of living is pretty low in even the large cities. |
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