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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor that's what common sense would tell you...but anything going against the big bad corporations here will be welcome... -- "I hate conservatives, but I really hate liberals." - Matt Stone »www.reason.com/ | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor said by scrummie02 :that's what common sense would tell you...but anything going against the big bad corporations here will be welcome... LOL! Most don't have common cent$ on here that I see so far. You're an exception to the rule.
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| What are yall talking about? America is number 13 in the world in terms of broadbrand deployment despite us being a distant number one in terms of wealth. Did you not read the story on dslr 2 days ago about how ma bell was back to Qwest, Verizon and AT&T? Take a look at these lobbyist figures »www.publicintegrity.org/lobby/to···ompanies And you don't think that the telcos are buying the government? You don't think that those lobbying dollars have any impact on the government allowing AT&T to buy Bell South last week? You don't think those lobbying dollars translate directly into all of those line items on your phone bill that the government "requires" the telcos to collect to maintain their networks? I'm in Texas and just last night on the news a Texas law maker in Austin was under fire for accepting $1000 toilets for his apartment and other gifts from AT&T. So are we to believe that AT&T just wanted to make sure this poor millionaire had crappers that didn't leak? I totally sympathise with this guy. The big loser here is the American public. And if you think there is competition, then why don't you go down to the city and file for zoning to put fiber into a neighborhood. Look at what has happened to cities who tried to do municipal wireless. I'm amazed that people just say this guy is a bitter competitor. This guy represents thousands and thousands of companies that the telcos have buried over the last 10 years. | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor T1 Rocky - The Government is for the rich, by the rich, and of the rich. Just now figuring that out?
How about the new morons that took over Congress today? 2 years of Gridlock while Social Security goes down the drain, a few million more illegals cross the border, and more and more people have NO health care.
All Hail the Democrats! Just as crooked as the Republicans. With Republicans, at least you know who they are for. Democrats? I have no clue.  | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor wow two trolls on one go.
if social security fails, it'll be because of the gargantuan war debt run up by the republicans, topped off with the tax cuts.
in any event, with how many grains of salt should we take you? -- A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor said by jig :if social security fails, it'll be because of the gargantuan war debt run up by the republicans, topped off with the tax cuts. What does any other spending have to do with social security? It was supposed to be a self sustaining system. Are you admitting it doesn't work and needs money from the general fund to stay alive? -- What's certain about Darwinism is that it would take less time for (1) a single-celled organism to evolve into a human being through mutation and natural selection than for (2) Darwinists to admit they have no proof of (1) - Ann Coulter | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor said by footballdude :What does any other spending have to do with social security? It was supposed to be a self sustaining system. Are you admitting it doesn't work and needs money from the general fund to stay alive? The problem is that the Congress has been taking money OUT of the social security fund and dropping little IOUs into the fund for years... Social security has been put into its situation by irresponsible policy making and out of control deficits on the Hill. -- Prove it... | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor said by bmn :The problem is that the Congress has been taking money OUT of the social security fund and dropping little IOUs into the fund for years... There's no Social Security Fund or any other special fund. All the money the government collects goes into the same pool for spending. It just happens that the amount of money being collected for social security happens to be more than what is needed to pay for the program, so the balance is spent on other things. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor said by pnh102 :There's no Social Security Fund or any other special fund. All the money the government collects goes into the same pool for spending. It just happens that the amount of money being collected for social security happens to be more than what is needed to pay for the program, so the balance is spent on other things. Which is essentially the same as taking the money collected and earmarked for the program and spending it elsewhere... My post should have read "OUT of social security funds"...
Either way, the congress has been spending money collected that is suppose to be spent only on social security. The program is where it is because they've dipped into those funds over the years. -- Prove it... | |
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| said by bmn :The problem is that the Congress has been taking money OUT of the social security fund and dropping little IOUs into the fund for years... Social security has been put into its situation by irresponsible policy making and out of control deficits on the Hill. Congress does control the run-away spending and rampant tax increases of this Country. However, the Republicans controlled Congress the last 12 years and during those 12 years the American people received 2 tax cuts (I got mine). Prior to Republicans gaining control of Congress, under the liberal tax & spend Clintonista regime, the Democrats held Congress for the past 40 years before 1994.
Any irresponsible policy making and out of control deficits on the Hill, were due to Democratic decisions for 40 years, compared to 12 Republican years.
40 years of Democrats Versus 12 years of Republicans, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the Democrats mishandled, misspent more Social security funds than the Republicans, who the Democrats accuse. -- Its the Democrats fault. In fact it is the Speaker of House Polosi fault. Everything is the Democrats fault. Everything. Just like Everything was the Republicans Fault when they were in power. | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor said by guitarzan :40 years of Democrats Versus 12 years of Republicans, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the Democrats mishandled, misspent more Social security funds than the Republicans, who the Democrats accuse. yeah, it wasn't the various wars the republicans started in those 40 years that drained more from the national budget than any other group or collection of programs the democrats supported, creating the situation where money, what little could be squeezed from the budget, had to come from somewhere to feed the poor, educate the masses, and provide for every other basic national (not international) need.
what a crock of bull. the repubs spend all the money, run up the debt, then blame the demos in between wars for raising taxes, paying off the debt, and funding necessary programs for national health. who are the spenders? the demos just clean up the messes the republican enron backers make. -- A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin | |
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join:2001-01-05 Hacienda Heights, CA | Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor no, you're a crock full of shit. | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor What's the difference between a bucket of chit and a liberal.?
Why the bucket of course 
BTW: The United States of America does not start wars, it ENDS them. If all these third world shit hole countries were able to stand up for themselves, America would have no need to be called in to act as world policeman and put the fires out.
How old are you 12? -- Its the Democrats fault. In fact it is the Speaker of House Polosi fault. Everything is the Democrats fault. Everything. Just like Everything was the Republicans Fault when they were in power. | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor said by guitarzan :What's the difference between a bucket of chit and a liberal.? Why the bucket of course  BTW: The United States of America does not start wars, it ENDS them. If all these third world shit hole countries were able to stand up for themselves, America would have no need to be called in to act as world policeman and put the fires out. How old are you 12? if i am, you must be 2. did america end the vietnam war? is the iraq war "ended"? anything going on in darfur, israel, or really anywhere else since 1950 that we've had a positive influence on? maybe korea, but the republican administration has stuffed that in the chit can for the past 6+ years and it's ready to blow.
you, are a moron. -- A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin | |
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| said by guitarzan :Any irresponsible policy making and out of control deficits on the Hill, were due to Democratic decisions for 40 years, compared to 12 Republican years. 40 years of Democrats Versus 12 years of Republicans, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the Democrats mishandled, misspent more Social security funds than the Republicans, who the Democrats accuse. I'd contend its both parties faults... When you consider that the people on the Hill all have childish mentalities, neither party comes out clean. They both sell out to their own little special interests and friends and both waste money on things like taking trips on our dime, etc. etc. etc. The worst is the stupidity of increasing spending and decreasing taxes... Great way to run up a record deficit (what the last eight years of Republican control have netted the nation financially). Both parties tend to spend money like it is burning a damn hole in their pocket.
Republicans and Democrats... Same shit, different stink. -- Prove it... | |
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| said by footballdude :What does any other spending have to do with social security? It was supposed to be a self sustaining system. Are you admitting it doesn't work and needs money from the general fund to stay alive? who told you social security was supposed to be a self sustaining system? the endowment has to change with the burden, various scoops have been taken out of it, and debt payment is also a line item in the national budget (though you wouldn't expect a republican to know/care). -- A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor What in the world are you talking about. The simple fact that it has a totally seperate payroll deduction is proof it is supposed to be a self-contained system. | |
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| tax cuts are good...it enables you to have more money to put towards "before tax" benefits...like your retirement.
I know better how to spend/allocate my money than the government does... -- "I hate conservatives, but I really hate liberals." - Matt Stone »www.reason.com/ | |
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| said by jig :if social security fails, it'll be because of the gargantuan war debt run up by the republicans, topped off with the tax cuts. Wow, and along comes the 3rd troll. That would be you, my friend.
Social security was in trouble LONG before Bush 43 ever became President. In fact, long before Clinton or Bush 41 became President.
When Congress decided to use the money in the Social Security "trust fund" to offset deficit spending, the jig was up. That happened long ago (back in the 70's I believe). So blaming it on "Bush" and his tax cuts is at best, misinformed. At worst it's hyperbole.
Earmarks, and bridges to nowhere are costing us more every year than any "war" we're engaged in. For this, I put the blame squarely in Bush 43's court. He had the veto pen for 6 years and didn't have the nuts to use it against his own guys in Congress, so they got just as out of control has the Democrats that came before them. Shame on them for it.
Now that we have a divided government, the American people can breathe a collective sigh of relief as far as their wallets go.
Bottom line: Government that governs the least governs best. Since the clowns in the legislative branch will be constantly butting heads with the clowns in the executive branch, very little will get done over the next 2 years.
Translation: They're spend less of MY money over then next 2 years. I say good..... -- Never ask what sort of a computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him? -Tom Clancy | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor very well said.
The GOP has learned their lesson....hopefully. The only problem with the two sides butting heads is problems that need immediate attention like immigration reform and medical care costs will never get solved. It turns out these issues are very important to most Americans...but since when have the parties been for the people huh?
Yes pork-barreling is a problem and needs to be solved, but it's up to the voters of the state to get them out and let's face it, no one in Alaska is going to vote out Stevens...he brings home tons of money...so does Byrd for that matter.
So until the states that vote these idiots in wise up, we're going to have pork spending to the likes we've never seen continue....now, would you like a side of bacon at dinner tonight? -- "I hate conservatives, but I really hate liberals." - Matt Stone »www.reason.com/ | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor said by scrummie02 :The only problem with the two sides butting heads is problems that need immediate attention like immigration reform and medical care costs will never get solved. They weren't getting solved any way. The "fence" they want to build never got funded (I'm more in favor of mine fields myself, but I digress) and any kind of health care reform will never be seen. Part of the problem with health care costs is illegal immigration. Ever go to a hospital emergency room on any given night? You better bring your English-Spanish dictionary with you, if you plan on making conversation with your fellow patrons. They KNOW the ER can't turn them away, so they go there for things like the common cold and stupid stuff. You and I pay for it in the end.
I totally agree with you. Until people wise up and realize that just because their guy brings home the "bacon" doesn't mean he deserves re election.
Me, I vote my beliefs. I don't care how many $$ you bring to my state.
I sure do hope the GOP did learn their lesson. As it stands today, I don't see much hope for us as a whole the way we're headed. The border is a sieve, it's costing us millions. No one in congress seems to want to do anything.
Everyone in power is just so damn selfish. Of course, so are their constituents, so I guess they're doing a good job as far as they're concerned...
It is sad.... -- Never ask what sort of a computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him? -Tom Clancy | |
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| said by N3OGH :said by jig :Earmarks, and bridges to nowhere are costing us more every year than any "war" we're engaged in. For this, I put the blame squarely in Bush 43's court. He had the veto pen for 6 years and didn't have the nuts to use it against his own guys in Congress, so they got just as out of control has the Democrats that came before them. Shame on them for it. The federal transportation budget for the entire nation is 6 billion dollars over 8 years. The war in Iraq is 2 billion per day. Anyone that says transportation spending is more dangerous to our economy than that stupid money pit of a war has their head in a dark smelly spot. The fact is transportation, for every dollar spent creates 3 more in the economy. This money is poured directly into our economy, unlike a foreign war that dumps BILLIONS into a pit from whence it will never be seen again. In addition transportation spending creates infrastructure that benefits our economy more than just about any other spending versus 300 billion plus poured into Iraq with NO return. So don't ever EVER say that war isn't the worst thing that has ever happened to our economy because it IS. | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor quote: The war in Iraq is 2 billion per day.
quote: versus 300 billion plus poured into Iraq
By your calculations, we've only been in Iraq 150 days or so... | |
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2 edits | being 13th has a little something to do with the vast amounts of land we have to cover to implement broadband. With the UK ranking 12th I believe, I think they have more problems than we do.
Of course companies are going to deploy where they think broadband is profitable, that's why they're a company, they want to make profits and make money, just like most people do.
I would like to see points that make a government run broadband provider a good idea. Most people don't want the NSA or anyone else monitoring their email/web transactions yet want the government to step in and regulate or lay down broadband itself....You "think" your privacy is violated now? Giving the government power to control the backbone of a proposed state run broadband initiative will give them all the more power/ease to "spy on it's citizens".
People would be best served if the government granted low interest SBA loans to people looking to run fiber or deploy broadband to certain areas and let small businesses run the show, not an inefficient broken down government machine... That being said, do you want to pay to lay down fiber in an area in the sticks where 10 percent of the population care enough of broadband to get it, with even less being able to afford it? -- "I hate conservatives, but I really hate liberals." - Matt Stone »www.reason.com/ | |
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join:2004-06-25 Waltham, MA | Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor Actually the UK has jumped from 12th to about 4th in a very short space of time, because of massive price cuts. And DSL is now available to 99.6% of the population. | |
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| You have to look on both worlds of telecom.
Marketing pushes what they want, in reality engineering and construction can only work as fast as they can. I know it sounds like the little train that could but it seems Verizon is more concentrated on marketing than actual build out. I can see the frustration when marketing says one thing but operations and engineering actually says "what the f are they thinking". But that is life in the real world of telecom. | |
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| Oh yeah. It's not like Verizon has a history of suckering state governments and customers out of billions of dollars on the empty promises of wide deployment of broadband services. Oh wait, it does. Nevermind...  | |
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1 edit | What a worthless article; it contains no meaningful specifics but rather relies on the vague ramblings of a retiring competetor and former employee. Of course any article critical of the telcos (unless it involves FIOS) is apparently worthy of Broadband Report's front page. Did a telco truck run over your dog or something Karl?
He's bitter because he lost contracts to Verizon after being unable to meet the terms of the RFP, he's bitter because his company *gasp* had to pay money to lease Verizon's equipment, and that Verizon donated money to schools because it apparently equates to "bribery".
Hell, the rambling old coot still refers to Verizon as "Bell Atlantic". Sounds like his "best used before" date expired some time ago. | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor Maybe BECAUSE he's a former employee he has some INSIDE KNOWLEDGE as to how Verizon may actually operate in the area? I find it ridiculous that there are people like you that honestly believe these huge corporations, whether they be cable or telco, actually have the consumers best interests at heart! "Verizon could NEVER actually operate like that!" | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor Here's my take:
Employee realizes that he could leave and make money doing same thing on his own, with information he gained while working there. He may have had fellow workers join him, as they felt they could keep more money, doing same thing, and not be divested/laid-off from BA split.
Then he either told too many, p'od upper management or didn't kiss enough butt while there at BA to make great connections (use me as a sub-contractor and I'll throw back some kick). Instead, he was a threat and could undermine BA (VZ).
"If you can't beat them, join em", history says. By competing and complaining, it was clear that you can't stop a large, lobbying, politico-in-the-pocket machine. How he didn't learn.
First clear mistake: NEVER, EVER put your equipment in another (competitors) rack or CO.
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| I hate to break it to you, but the purpose of a company- mom and pop hardware store or large corporation- is to make money.
Verizon makes money providing communication services.
There are other companies that provide those same services.
If Verizon charges too much and/or does a bad job providing those services, they lose customers to the competition.
If they lose customers, they don't make as much money and eventually go broke.
If there's a way to make it simpler for you, I don't know how. I find it ridiculous that people like you believe that every big corporation spends 24 hours a day thinking of new ways how to screw over their customers, the community they live in, their pets and their dead grandparents. Put down your Che Guevera lunchbox and step away. | |
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| Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor Perhaps you should put down your Economics 101 book?
While life could be as black and white as you portray, only a child would actually blindly believe all economic situations necessarily are simply supply and demand.
There are always politics involved in everything. | |
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| said by kyramilan :Take with a grain of salt. Well, some of what he says is true... I've seen telcos use garbage bags to cover open slice cases until they can go back and get them closed up again... Of course, they can stay that way for awhile...
As for the politics, he's right in the regard that the telcos and the government have had a far to cozy relationship for far too long, you just can't can't rely on the objectivity of his specific examples as evidence.
But yeah, you need to take everything he says with a grain of salt, just like the Verizon PR retard they quoted in the article...
Lee Gierczynski, Verizon's manager of media relations, countered, "West Virginia's telecommunications marketplace is an increasingly competitive one, where all players face daily challenges to operate successfully and meet customers' needs. Based on that, we don't believe a newspaper article is the proper forum to discuss baseless, vague allegations. We wish Mr. Parsons well on his retirement."
-- Prove it... | |
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  batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs: | What is his problem? Why is he cutting and running before WV is fibered? Verizon wants WV to go the way of Hawaii; Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. | |
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| Re: What is his problem? said by MAR_03_2002 :said by batterup :Why is he cutting and running before WV is fibered? How about because he is 65 years old and might want to enjoy life a little before taking the big dirt nap. No way, nothing is more important then bringing FIOS to the hills of WV. | |
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| Verizon always manipulates! The moral here is all the broadband providers suck balls and noone offers symmetrical broadband!
My complex has RCN FTTB (Fiber to the building) which is then on coxial to the apartments. The fiber network itself is just as good if not better than Verizon on the local level. But RCN's finannces have been crap for a long time.
Between Verizon, Time Warner AND RCN here, they all suck. The POTS infrastructure is kickass old, but one carrier put in ADSL2+ DSLAMs in the CO so you can get 8Mbps/1Mbps DSL since Im in distance. BUT the Fiber infrastructure from Time Warner was upgraded a little bit with new amps and they split some nodes, but its still a high home to node ratio. RCN is fiber DIRECTLY to the building BUT its a shitty company. So between the 3 they all suck and we cant get it right.
At least though RCN has 20Mbps/2Mbps speeds at the moment but its still old docsis infrastructure. | |
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| Garbage bags are cute In NYC, actually 4 blocks from my house, there is a "garbage bag splice box", its a overhead 1 family house fully detached area. Seems like nothing new to me. I havent seen any go up recently though. I think I heard on DSLR here it was standard procedure in the 1980s for NY Tel to garbage bag things. Wasnt there a document showing techs where to staple?  | |
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| Re: Garbage bags are cute patcat88: Virgil Parsons works for Fibernet which merged with CTC which is part of CVC Ventures. RCN now shares the network with Hibernia Metro owned by CVC Ventures as well. I think that its possible CVC Ventures could take over RCN. Virgil Parsons seems like a guy I WANT as part of RCN. Its interesting now that hes talking to the press and slamming Verizon but you see I agree with Parsons 100%. CVC Ventures built up Hibernia Atlantic quite nicely while RCN was doing piss poorly.
Verizon FIOS is indeed neglecting Virginia and also New York City has been neglected as well as you correctly pointed out.
In my area where I live now and where I will be moving to, the only problem spot is a box left open which is a Battery Backup unit. I have to report it to the Cable co before I move in to my new place if its not fixed already. The copper doesnt matter cause its a very very short distance with 8Mbps/1Mbps, but since there are 2 Fiber providers, no need for Verizon's shitty POTS anyways.
Level 3 just merged with Broadwing so thats done and now will merge with Savvis as well.
There appears to be no more fiber being rolled out on a physical basis except for Optical Network Group which is doing a small segment in Queens and Staten Island. Teleport (now part of AT&T) finished their new metro loop. Looking Glass now part of Level 3 finished their last segment. Abovenet finished the work they did. Only carriers now rolling out new fiber are Time Warner Cable node splits or section rebuilds which are small in scope, Verizon in NYC is doing limited FIOS deployment. Still dont know what the Verizon work in my area was for, they finished one set of permits today. Next set of permits will be finished by the 26th.
For me the main thing that matters is what happens to RCN's asset since we have FIBER to the building already. Hibernia Metro is selling PNY Ethernet services on the RCN backbone in the NYC metro area. So the fiber optics in place already IS ready for full usage and everything. All that is needed is for RCN to get the finances in shape and to keep the good employees and merge with a better company. | |
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| Re: Garbage bags are cute said by aj004 :Level 3 just merged with Broadwing so thats done and now will merge with Savvis as well. Actually, not all of Savvis is merging with Level3, just the CDN (content delivery network) group. -- Prove it... | |
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| Backbone and long haul fiber providers are USELESS and IRRELAVENT for us BBRs. 1st thing, unless its already in your building (even if it passes infront of your building), you will pay atleast $1000 for installation, 2nd thing, your going to be paying $500 or more per month for service making Backbone/Long Hauls impracticle for us. Unless your into Servers/Web Hosting/Datacenters or bored it doesnt matter. Most ISPs buy all their transit from one backbone and thats it (usually Level 3).
RCN does offer private line fiber, which is good, but its business grade and price im sure, all we can hope is they impliment NARAD or DOCSIS 2/3, or for Apts, puts VDSL or Ethernet switch in the basement fed by HFC fiber with the apt service on its own wave length/channel on the fiber.
We need to be realistic. | |
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  balazone 60 billion Premium join:2002-04-01 Wheeling, WV
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Fibernet sucks I live and work in WV for a communications company. I can tell you first hand Fibernet is the worst company to deal with. Customers of ours have their T's and they go down all the time. We ask Fibernet to monitor them and they don't. They cannot even get simple hunt groups and roll overs to work.
As for WV neglected infrastructure it depends on where you are. Everything I have dealt with that is VZ's is newer and in pretty good shape. The problem is FIOS. I have friends who work for VZ and they tell me since FIOS is costing VZ so much money that budget in non-fios areas are cut way back. Everything is going for FIOS.
VZ owns pretty much all the copper and fiber in WV so they can do what they want, however they want. But they are so much better the Fibernet I would rather deal with VZ then Fibernet anyday. | |
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  richardpor Fur it up
join:2003-04-19 Portland, OR
| No Respect for Leeches Fibernet is the pot that calling the kettle black. At least they started to build their own fiber. The problem is Fibernet dose not to serve the people in a capitalist system but is looking for a government contract handout. The only point Mr. Parsons speaks about is how they are losing government contracts. I never had any respect for companies whose only existence is get more government contracts. Yes, I feel to government contact process is corrupt and Fibernet will just contribute to the problem than being the solution. | |
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join:2006-05-28 Forest Hills, NY
| Re: No Respect for Leeches Virgil Parson's comment's are actually relevant to New York State. See in New York State, the PSC will change hands as Governor Spitzer appoints a new PSC commissioner. This act alone will have significant implications on broadband in New York State and the competitive outlook.
I dont know who the governor is for West Virginia nor whos on the Public Service Commission. But in NY state, the voters spoke loud and clear and now changes are underway.
So for me the situation will be remedied and the equivalent here of Fibernet is RCN and for Residential Grade, RCN is a LOWER price than Verizon FIOS and the same infrastructure and in fact it has the tripleplay already in place. Once that PSC bottleneck is removed, we should get quality services from RCN or its successor. Not sure how the Fibernet team is, but with RCN they kept the con edison communications team and they are top notch folks.
But what the CEO of Fibernet said is true cause they cant get the busienss which in turn would lead to higher revenues and better quality of service for the customer. It is not an even keeled playing field in West Virginia.
However in New York state, we will see changes in 1st quarter 2007 for the better. | |
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| Re: No Respect for Leeches said by aj004 :But what the CEO of Fibernet said is true cause they cant get the busienss which in turn would lead to higher revenues and better quality of service for the customer. It is not an even keeled playing field in West Virginia. And you know this how? What evidence does the article provide? He offers no concrete examples, only specuation and whining. He's mad because Verizon interfaces with the PSC, though they'd be expected if not required to do so. He whines about losing a state contract because it contained the very reasonable requirement that the provider have experience with similar projects- you don't hire someone to service your 747's when they haven't worked on anything bigger than a Cessna before.
Another lottery contract he complains about losing as being a "technicality" though it was because they wouldn't offer service guarantees. Anyone with experience in dealing with state lotteries will tell you that they're VERY demanding about uptime given the amount of money involved every hour.
The best example he has is still weak- he complains about Verizon giving grants to schools then winning school contracts. Corporate donations to education are very common and even somewhat expected for large corporations, especially with tech companies that rely on educated workers for their future. He fails to provide any evidence that he lost the contract with a better bid.
Yes, I can imagine it being difficult for a smaller company to compete with a much larger organization like Verizon, but that doesn't imply that Verizon is doing anything improper or unethical and he offers no specific examples of them doing so.
In short, he comes off as a sore loser blaming his competetor for his own failures as COO. | |
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join:2004-01-07 Sarasota, FL
·Rapid Systems, Inc.
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: No Respect for Leeches I have had problems with Fibernet. I deal with a remote office that we had two t1s with fibernet. Like another poster stated when problems occur they do not monitor lines or have the brains to do so. You often have to hammer them for information so you in return can figure out what is wrong and then bitch whine and complain till they comply. Then billing was awful, when they did not meat there SLAs for the two t1s and we were to be credited money for the down time the billing department would then fight the credit .
While the man goes off on his verizon rant , Verizon at least honors there SLAs when they say 5 nines they mean 5 nines or your money back.
I would not be surprised if the state of WV looked into his company while he was bidding on contracts saw the mess that is known as fibernet and denied them on ther poor service. | |
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@rr.com | Maybe he should give back his pension since he loathes them so much | |
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| said by richardpor :The problem is Fibernet dose not to serve the people in a capitalist system but is looking for a government contract handout. Maybe you should read the article again and see that Fibernet does have customers beside the government of WV... -- Prove it... | |
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 CopperMux
join:2005-01-18 | Misinformation LOL @ AJ and his misinformation. FIOS is rolling out all over NYC and now that a new year, new budget is underway, that will only increase.
PatCat, if you see a "bag" on a splice, call it in.
Period. | |
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 |  dynodb Premium,VIP join:2004-04-21 Minneapolis, MN
| Re: Misinformation said by CopperMux :LOL @ AJ and his misinformation. FIOS is rolling out all over NYC and now that a new year, new budget is underway, that will only increase. PatCat, if you see a "bag" on a splice, call it in. Period. But didn't you get the memo? Big corporations like Verizon have infinite amounts of money, resources and political influence and once they deploy a new service, are supposed to instantly deploy it to every single customer in their region who wants it without regard to cost or profit potential. At least that's what I learned on BBR.  | |
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join:2005-01-18
·Comcast
| Re: Misinformation said by dynodb :said by CopperMux :LOL @ AJ and his misinformation. FIOS is rolling out all over NYC and now that a new year, new budget is underway, that will only increase. PatCat, if you see a "bag" on a splice, call it in. Period. But didn't you get the memo? Big corporations like Verizon have infinite amounts of money, resources and political influence and once they deploy a new service, are supposed to instantly deploy it to every single customer in their region who wants it without regard to cost or profit potential. At least that's what I learned on BBR. You know the motto, "A Verizon Man in every household"
Give it time people, its coming. | |
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@verizon.net
| Verizon does not care- only about FIOS, not the customer! The man speaks the truth. They do not give a shit about the customer, just their pockets. It's Me and other Techs who do care, but it's hard to fix what was broken 50 to 60 and older year ago, and should have replaced. Brooklyn, NY just as a example, still has infratstructure what was put there in 1950's. | |
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join:2006-05-28 Forest Hills, NY
2 edits | Re: Verizon does not care- only about FIOS, not the customer! While I never used Fibernet and I cant comment on their services, my dad uses Conversent which merged with ctc and fibernet to become one communications. Conversent has been top notch with no issues for my dad. The problem with Conversent that my dad had was actually because of VERIZON because they PURPOSELY delayed the provisioning of the lines. If my dad went directly to Verizon he would have had the service on quicker for a MUCH HIGHER PRICE with less or equal service quality.
Hibernia Atlantic has been expanding at a rapid clip which owned by CVC Ventures and this backbone is much less latent than Level 3 these days and is doing quite well performance wise. Fibernet was acquired by One Communications which is also under the umbrella of CVC Ventures.
Everything this man is saying is the truth. He is NOW retired from Fibernet HOWEVER the issues he faced were indeed 100% legitimate issues. He is retired and as such is no longer a spokesman for the company, but rather letting people know the issues he dealt with when he worked for them.
As seeing the market here in New York City, the problem has been that the market has been too one sided towards the incumbent rather than an even keeled market. Time Warner is the REASON why RCN got annihilated. All of RCN's cash went to Time Warner's pockets for programming fees in that case. Landlines were locked to the existing incumbent telcos because the smaller clecs with their own fiber networks couldnt get marketshare but now that has changed since One Communications is the largest CLEC now and Hibernia Atlantic is now very close with RCN. We are moving finally to a day where we will have 3 strong competitors in the markets at a minimum with maybe more coming.
In New York state, changes are underway and hopefully Spitzer appoints a new PSC chairman soon since all companies have to operate with respect to the state policies in force.
Cant comment on West Virgina per say because I do NOT know the state level over there.
In New York state HOWEVER we will see a more equalized playing field with RCN, Time Warner AND Verizon come early 2007. | |
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  Henry314
@mycingular.net
| Verizon canceled my unlimited internet service Too much usage-they said I was limited to 5 gigabytes!!! Talk about fraudulent advertising. I've filed a complaint with the FCC. Their comments: unlimited means no downloading, no surfing the internet, no on line games, and so on. Since when did the meaning of unlimited change? These people are as crooked as they come.
Best regards-Henry | |
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join:2001-05-16 Pittsburgh, PA | West Virginia will probably be sold off by Verizon. Verizon is not going to invest in WV because there is no economic reason for them to do so! Doh! I was born and raised in WV and it is a tech backwater area. | |
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  jynx
@comcast.net | ex bell man hey thanks for bringing this to light...after you tried to make your own money basically doing the same thing, better luck with your next venture, | |
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