King P
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Do my eyes deceive me, or is Congress actually trying to do something good for the American people? It's almost too good to be true... |
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Rob
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| Federal Excise Tax, Surcharge, Recovery Fee.. they are all..
.. the same.
Congress eliminates the Federal Excise Tax, so companies will just add a "recovery fee" or "surcharge fee".. this time pocketing it all. Doesn't help the consumer, only makes the corporations richer.
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tiger72
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| Dems? Taxes? Cut? What?
I must say, the Dems just took Congress, and it's looking good already. I hope these bills get the votes to pass though - unfortunately there are quite a few big government liberals and conservatives still in Congress to make sure this doesn't pass.
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1 edit | said by King P  :Do my eyes deceive me, or is Congress actually trying to do something good for the American people? It's almost too good to be true... said by tiger72 :I must say, the Dems just took Congress, and it's looking good already. I hope these bills get the votes to pass though - unfortunately there are quite a few big government liberals and conservatives still in Congress to make sure this doesn't pass. Don't get too excited yet. A new Congress results in dozens of bills being introduced, very few of which will actually go anywhere. These bills are not on the short list of priority items that the new Dem Senate and House leadership is interested in. See this link for what will be pushed for the next few months: »www.suntimes.com/news/politics/1···.article
Ethics
Stem cell research
Raising the minimum wage
Student loan rate cuts
Pay-as-you-go budgeting
Allow Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices
Implement 9/11 Commission suggestions
Immigration law revamp --
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NOCMan
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| It will never stick forever
They can introduce the ban now, but eventually the tax base for B&M store bought items will dwindle as online orders ramp up. Eventually they will have to change the tax laws then to protect the budget.
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pnh102
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Re: Dems? Taxes? Cut? What?
said by tiger72 : - unfortunately there are quite a few big government liberals and big government "conservatives " still in Congress to make sure this doesn't pass. Fixed it for you.
The Republicans are still the same party of big government that they were in 2001. As the current election has not resulted in any leadership changes in the current party structure (the Republicans had a chance to nominate a real Reaganite to be House Minority Leader), there is no reason to believe that the Republicans have abandoned their big government agenda.
Personally, I am disappointed by the Republican House Delegation retaining its current leaders (John Boehner and Roy Blunt, among others). The party needs to return to its ideological roots if it ever wants to see a majority again (that, or the Democrats have to royally screw up). If these tax cuts become law, then it shows that the Democrats may have learned that the far left is not the place to be if you want to govern in this country.
And yes, I assure all of you this is the real pnh102 and not someone who stole the password for his account 
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Maxo
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The Dems=Big Government thing is a myth. It's a matter of where you want the government to be big. When it comes to legislating morality and micro-policing people, the Republicans win. When it comes to micro-policing businesses and legislating public responsibility (I'm using that word loosely here) the Democrats win. |
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quatrix
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Do you think all tax cuts are good for the American people? The brainless zombies loved Bush's "cuts" even though they or their children are still going to pay for them in other ways. |
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ColorBASIC
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I'll believe it when I see it. |
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viperpa33s
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Your going to have a showdown between the Fed and state governments. States are complaining that states rights are being eroded. I don't know how this is going to pass cause I always thought that Democrats were against any kind of tax ban for the internet.
I wish it would also include sales tax but know that is just a dream. |
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pnh102
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said by quatrix :Do you think all tax cuts are good for the American people? I certainly think that. Every tax cut is always good, no matter what. The more money we have to spend for ourselves, the better the economy is. Reagan proved this in the 1980s and we are still running on those same principles to this very day. Even the government makes out like a bandit under this system in that it collects more money under lower tax rates than it does under higher tax rates.
As for keeping spending under wraps, that's a whole different animal. Personally, I hope for massive gridlock under this congress.
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vpoko
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said by quatrix :Do you think all tax cuts are good for the American people? The brainless zombies loved Bush's "cuts" even though they or their children are still going to pay for them in other ways. Who's talking about all tax cuts? We're talking about one specific tax cut (the tax that existed to pay for a war that ended over a century ago), and a ban on instituting another kind of tax that doesn't currently exist.
If you want to equate that with repealing the income tax or something equally different, I guess that's your call... |
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Titus Pullo
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said by pnh102 :said by quatrix :Do you think all tax cuts are good for the American people? I certainly think that. Every tax cut is always good, no matter what. The more money we have to spend for ourselves, the better the economy is. Reagan proved this in the 1980s and we are still running on those same principles to this very day. Even the government makes out like a bandit under this system in that it collects more money under lower tax rates than it does under higher tax rates. As for keeping spending under wraps, that's a whole different animal. Personally, I hope for massive gridlock under this congress. Whew. Can you explain to me how the government "collects more money with lower tax rates" -- What are their other sources of revenue? Because I'm telling you, the sh*t doesn't trickle down and Ronnie proved that as well. Even he raised taxes in the final years of his term to try and turn his ridiculous deficit spending into something not so butt-ugly.
I do, however, agree with the 'bandit' part 
As for supply side econ under Reagan and in the present, anyone that has studied economics knows that supply side is no better an economic device than any other; unless you print money that money has to come from somewhere at some point if you're going to spend more than you bring in. Reagan cut taxes but raised social security while running up huge deficits with his supply side crap that made the military industrials richer (as well as the top 10%). If the 'trickle down' theory of supply side works so well, and is what we've been running on since Bush, why is most of our production now overseas? Why have wages been stagnant so long? Why is job growth so tepid? Why so many bubbles to sustain a produce-nothing economy? Why not raise the minimum wage (it's trickling, right? Where's the trickle?)?
All capitalist systems benefit the ruling class. Period. You'll probably feel an urge to bash Clinton. Go ahead, But remember that Clinton balanced the budget while the stock market hit 10k (before it burst) and raised the minimum wage and also signed that crawling abortion of legislation named NAFTA. No system is to the peoples benefit, really, other than to keep the game in play. Some are better and some are worse. Supply side is easily one of the worst, right up there with trade policies like NAFTA.
As for tax cuts, sure they can be good. But only when done sensibly. When is the last time your government did anything sensible? Here in VA not long ago, a governor ran on cutting taxes, the car tax specifically. Guess what? The car tax was a huge source of state revenue, and without that revenue services had to be cut to squeeze out a budget. The battle becomes which services to cut, and that ends up a political battle rather than one based on common sense. So this gets cut and that gets cut, and pretty soon sh*t doesn't look so good anymore. Weeds are growing all over on the low end of the scale, and people are being denied more emergency services on the danger end of the scale. Poor people aren't getting help to attend community colleges and people's lives are ruined because teaching hospitals don't have the funding to provide operations to those without insurance -- another person lost in the tax cut game. And it is a game. The right hates entitlements (love how words become pejorative with spin and ignorance) and the left hates good business sense. Somewhere there's a sensible middle, but I fear it's lost in the hands of corporate controlled consumerism and brainwashed ideologues.
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Special one time tax credit on your 2006 tax return regarding Federal excise tax refund credit.
»www.snopes.com/business/taxes/excise.asp
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aztecnology
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cableties
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Re: Wow
2 good 2 B tru.
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bmn
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Re: Dems? Taxes? Cut? What?
Knowing the way politics works, these tax bills might not get passed as the Republicans vote against them in an effort to steal the thunder from the Democrats and attempt to make it appear that they are the only ones that use taxes as political issue. That kind of stupid tit for tat stuff happens all the time on the Hill.
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bmn
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Re: Federal Excise Tax, Surcharge, Recovery Fee.. they are all..
Yeah, but that would be totally different... See, a tax you can't do shit about paying. With a bogus fee like that, which is simply replacing a repealed tax, you can report them to the FTC or local regulators.
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inteller
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Re: It will never stick forever
they will provide an exclusion for businesses with physical presence in a state. The states just wouldnt go for a carte blanche on all internet taxes. fortunately I live in a backwoods state where most online places dont have a physical presence, so it will work out well for me.
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Jason Levine
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Re: Dems? Taxes? Cut? What?
said by pnh102 :said by tiger72 : - unfortunately there are quite a few big government liberals and big government "conservatives " still in Congress to make sure this doesn't pass. Fixed it for you. I completely agree. The term "conservative" once meant someone who wanted a small Federal government that stayed out of people's day to day affairs as much as possible. (State governments were allowed to hold sway.) Unfortunately, somewhere down the line, there arose a "new and improved" brand of conservatism that advocated some very intrusive government legislation.
Personally, I blame the neocons and the Republican Party's links to the Religious Right. The former seemed to advocate a massive Federal government to spy on everyone "to keep people safe." The latter seemed to advocate an intrusive Federal government that would enforce their religious beliefs.
In the shuffle, true conservatives were left shaking their head and wondering when the Republican Party stopped standing for small government.
said by pnh102 :The party needs to return to its ideological roots if it ever wants to see a majority again (that, or the Democrats have to royally screw up). It could go either way, but I hope that the Democrats don't mess up for more than one reason. First of all, I am a Democrat.  But also, a successful Democratic Party would force the Republican Party to shape up or continue being beaten. A bumbling Democratic Party will just lead to more of the same from the Republican Party. I'd rather have to choose between two strong parties than to have to choose between the bumbling or the corrupt. |
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