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Comments on news posted 2007-01-09 14:21:57: In addition to the iPhone announcement, Steve Jobs had more information today on the company's "iTV" product, now renamed simply "Apple TV." The living room video bridge will come with 802.11 b/g and 802. ..

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kyramilan

join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL

40 gig HD?

Kinda small for movies, eh?


Mchart
First There.

join:2004-01-21
Kaneohe, HI
Not very impressive. Good thing they announced the iPhone today, because if they didnt I think people would be pretty dissapointed.


N3OGH
Yo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:2

Someone please explain it to me...

Ok, usually, I'm pretty good with the whole electronics/tv/HD tv thing. But with this one I need a little help.

What is the huge hubbub with the resolution being limited to 720? Does that mean it won't work with older TV's, or that it's limited in the fact that it's not true HD.

My current set maxes out at 1080i. It's my understanding that the i stands for interlaced. It was also my understanding that there's not a huge difference between 720P and 1080I.

I now open the flood gates for all of you to edubicate me and tell me I'm wrong..
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kyramilan

join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL

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said by N3OGH:

Ok, usually, I'm pretty good with the whole electronics/tv/HD tv thing. But with this one I need a little help.

What is the huge hubbub with the resolution being limited to 720? Does that mean it won't work with older TV's, or that it's limited in the fact that it's not true HD.

My current set maxes out at 1080i. It's my understanding that the i stands for interlaced. It was also my understanding that there's not a huge difference between 720P and 1080I.

I now open the flood gates for all of you to edubicate me and tell me I'm wrong..
Ask Jessica Simpson.


insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
reply to Mchart

Re: 40 gig HD?

The iPhone is owned by cisco.


Mchart
First There.

join:2004-01-21
Kaneohe, HI
said by insomniac84:

The iPhone is owned by cisco.
See my post in the appropriate 'iPhone' thread which covers this issue.


AmnChode
Premium
join:2001-03-27
San Antonio, TX

why not just get a 360...

Did I read this wrong, or is this close to what I can do now with my Xbox 360 and TVersity. I mean, I can hook to any number of machines in my house and stream movies to the 360 to play on my entertainment center. Or is it a DVR (ie TiVo'ish) as well?? Otherwise I just don't see the point of the HD. You can just stream it....that's kinda the purpose of it...

dublin00

join:2005-12-29
Dublin, CA
reply to N3OGH

Re: Someone please explain it to me...

I agree this is confusing. The AppleTV device is already up on Apple's website and the technical specs claim that it can output 1080i 60/50hz. I'm just guessing until someone else confirms, but it sounds like the content from the iTunes store will only be in 720p.

dublin00

join:2005-12-29
Dublin, CA
reply to AmnChode

Re: why not just get a 360...

This is just a guess, but from what I just read at Apple's iTunes store this device sounds a lot like a video iPod. I.e AppleTV syncs your iTunes library from your Mac/PC and then plays from the local HD. If that is true think of it as a video iPod that isn't portable that is dedicated to you TV.

The online documentation doesn't say, but the implication is that you can watch videos, play music, view pictures etc off of the internal HD when your computer is off.


AmnChode
Premium
join:2001-03-27
San Antonio, TX
Ok...then useless product for me. Current setup does about the same thing; short of the HD bit which doesn't matter because I don't turn my machine off.


nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
reply to kyramilan

Re: 40 gig HD?

said by kyramilan:

Kinda small for movies, eh?
I really don't understand why all of these makers of media devices go with such pathetically small HDs. Are they all afraid to pop the extra $5/unit for a 100GB drive?

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kapil
The Kapil

join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL

Slingbox

Does it offer slingbox-like capability? If I can stream my DirecTV receiver plugged into Apple TV to my iPhone...then it may be worth it. I don't need another hard drive to store DRMd content on.


inteller
Sociopaths always win.

join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK

40gb? thats crap.

just like Apple, up on style, down on specs, up on price.

I guess you will either be able to watch like 3 really good movies or a bunch of highly compressed crap. I only get 20 hours of compressed HD crap out of my 160gb cox box...so 5 hours of iTV compressed crap?

Apple, meet Failure, Failure, Apple.


thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY

2 edits

720p TV show without commecials/crap compression = 4 GB

give or take one, for an hourlong show depending on how many commercials. 40 gigs is weak.

I bet it'll be impossible to get video off of it, too. Probably overcompressed and chock full of awesome DRM. Yum!

chemaupr

join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA

the 360 does more for the price

My 360 does a lot more and was only 399


sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
reply to thender2

Re: 720p TV show without commecials/crap compression = 4 GB

said by thender2:

give or take one, for an hourlong show depending on how many commercials. 40 gigs is weak.

I bet it'll be impossible to get video off of it, too. Probably overcompressed and chock full of awesome DRM. Yum!
The HD is more of a cache than anything else, so I'm not sure the size is really a limitation.

As for DRM, I see no hints on the product page that you cannot throw your own content at it as long as it's MPEG-4 or H.264. Much like the iPod, you don't HAVE to buy your content from Apple, you can put whatever media you want on it.

Shame it doesn't have a few cable card slots.


idjk

@sprintlink.net

Apple TV

What is it going to cost to download movies that with DRM probably can't be transferred to anything else or burned -kinda like the IPOD.
40gb --what's new just like cars come out with a 4 then 6 then 8 cyl --it is a way to get (make) more money from those who have to have the 'best, first'..

ke4pym
Premium
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Charlotte, NC
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reply to N3OGH

Re: Someone please explain it to me...

Many CRT based sets cannot accept a 720p input. They just fuzz out the display. Newer devices will probably be okay.

My 4 year old Pioneer Elite can't take a 720p input. Just 480i/p and 1080i.

This product, too, was a disappointment. It could have been so much better.

Zorglub8

join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA

I don't want to buy movies from iTunes

but I like the idea of having a central multimedia somewhere in my house that I could access from any TV. I wonder if this will do the trick.


Pierre25

join:2001-01-12
Appleton, WI

Overpriced.....

So what can I replace that I have already that justifies paying $299? Seems like a hefty price tag fo a media bridge. If they can offer a number of broadcast networks to stream their programming through iTunes, them I'm interested and will ditch Dish Network. Let users subscribe to the streaming channels a la carte.

Why not package it like an IPTV solution, or add PVR functionality? Give me something.

matrix3D

join:2006-09-27
Middletown, CT
reply to Mchart

Re: 40 gig HD?

Jeez, people need to stop thinking that simply because Apple releases a new product with an "i" in front of it that it's going to sell like crazy.

Apple lovers should be required to wear "iFanboy" shirts around.


bpx

join:2003-01-25
Saint Augustine, FL

please edumacate me too

I am starting to understand all of this stuff alot better since I recently bought an HD tv, but why would I need another device such as the one Steve Jobs was talking about if I have Comcast, with ONDEMAND and movies of their own. I guess why would I want to stream something from my pc if I can get it already from my TV. Also, will most people notice a difference between 720p and 1080i and 1080p? Sorry for the noob questions.
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ninjatutle
Premium

join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA

Me too product

Talk about a me too product. It can't even record tv shows for crying out loud.


PhoenixDown
FIOS is Awesome
Premium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1
reply to Zorglub8

Re: I don't want to buy movies from iTunes

Yep, same here, especially if it can act like a tivo/slingbox.

compton

join:2002-02-08
Brooklyn, NY
reply to bpx

Re: please edumacate me too

said by bpx:

I am starting to understand all of this stuff alot better since I recently bought an HD tv, but why would I need another device such as the one Steve Jobs was talking about if I have Comcast, with ONDEMAND and movies of their own. I guess why would I want to stream something from my pc if I can get it already from my TV. Also, will most people notice a difference between 720p and 1080i and 1080p? Sorry for the noob questions.
You really shouldn't see much difference between 720p and 1080i. However, the 720p is better for fast moving action (e.g sports, horse racing, NASCAR). 1080i is better for scenes that doesn't change so rapidly because of the superior pixel count over 720p. 1080p is in a league by it self. It has twice as much pixels as a 1080i and more than double the pixel count of 720p. I would bet that if you can get a 1080p with an 85 hertz refresh rate it will be just as good as an IMAX.


PhoenixDown
FIOS is Awesome
Premium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1

Widescreen TV a must?

Looking over the specs it says you need to have a widescreen TV. D'oh!
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DonLibes
Premium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19
reply to nixen

Re: 40 gig HD?

said by nixen:

said by kyramilan:

Kinda small for movies, eh?
I really don't understand why all of these makers of media devices go with such pathetically small HDs. Are they all afraid to pop the extra $5/unit for a 100GB drive?
As I understand it, the device is not intended to store movies long term. Rather, it is simply a temporary buffer for movies that are stored elsewhere - like your computer, the internet, or just a big storage server in your house. The device is mostly to provide the buffering (for slow devices like the internet), streaming, and interface to the TV.

In that sense, 40GB is plenty.


bpx

join:2003-01-25
Saint Augustine, FL
reply to ninjatutle

Re: Me too product

BTW, I keep hearing rumors about more movies being available via Comcast, other cable companies, and IPTV, as well as first run movies. It would make the Apple device not needed.
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Packerman3

join:2004-04-15

divx support?

Its one feature that everyone wants yet these companies fail to address is divx support and all that I read is is support for apple's formats.


adsff

@comcast.net

i-tv is cool

I do think its cool, basically you can download from Itunes and it syncs automatically with your tv so you can go watch it later, really its a cool idea. I think it will draw alot of interest, especially as itunes gets more and more into movies.
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