bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
1 edit | Grammar check... In 2006 several analysts suggested AT&T would change gears use fiber instead of copper for the last mile -- something AT&T denied to us, and everyone else.
Should read...
In 2006 several analysts suggested AT&T would change gears AND use fiber instead of copper for the last mile -- something AT&T denied to us and everyone else.
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 ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | Good bridge measure But certainly not future-proof. VDSL will be enough for a while but the future will eventually require that high speed last few hundred foot connection. However FTTP may not be the only answer in 5 or 10 years.
Perhaps new future wireless technologies will be able to provide 100+ Mbps services to the home from the local nodes which from my understanding of lightspeed would be fiber fed. In that case the investors will turn out to be right as I would assume that such a wireless deployment would be much cheaper than deploying FTTP. |
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 RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | AT&T Executives want to invest.. ..invest in their retirement pension. |
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| The real answer is... ...these guys are morons. |
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| Yeah, but... all I hear is faster and faster FIOS actually being deployed by Verizon and nothing but 'talk' about ATT and their crap VDSL. 1.5Mb in 2006 is very sad. |
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 intellerSociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
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| proof we need short term investing reform Because of short term investing, companies have been viewed as disposable. Anything that the company may want to do that provides a long term benefit is shoved aside for cheap hack technology to "please investors"
Furthermore, it encourages a culture of the company pulling the wool over the customer's eyes, telling them that this is actually better. It breeds a culture of deceit.
Well I've got one for ya investors, customers will QUICKLY find out that Uverse is a sham, and they will leave in droves, taking their money with them before your short term profits can be realized.
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| vdsl.. is suppose to be cheaper, and faster to deploy.. it should spread like wildfire through the att territory. yet, i havent heard of any deployment. except for trials for att employees who clearly wont give a bias review. |
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Re: proof we need short term investing reform said by inteller:Well I've got one for ya investors, customers will QUICKLY find out that Uverse is a sham, and they will leave in droves, taking their money with them before your short term profits can be realized. ...why wait? I already left. When Charter saw the new VRAD box down the street they upped their speeds to 10mbs and packaged it with their VoIP phone -- at $30 less per month than the 5mbs+phone from AT&T. UVerse is valuable after all -- but only for spurring competition. |
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 icp1Premium
join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO | reply to TongSama
Re: vdsl.. said by TongSama:is suppose to be cheaper, and faster to deploy.. it should spread like wildfire through the att territory. yet, i havent heard of any deployment. except for trials for att employees who clearly wont give a bias review. It's now available in 11 locales (on some basis or another, most likely not too widely available!), those aren't trials anymore... |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to hamburglar_
Re: Yeah, but... said by hamburglar_:all I hear is faster and faster FIOS actually being deployed by Verizon and nothing but 'talk' about ATT and their crap VDSL. 1.5Mb in 2006 is very sad. Then move to a Verizon area..
I've thought a lot about what at&t/sbc is doing.. weighed it with sentiment here and came to this conclusion. at&t is right in what they are doing.
People here think that every company has to offer the Cadillac of service to everyone they serve. I don't agree. People here also feel a sort of an entitlement to the best service available as well, again, I do not agree.
So much of the "grass is greener on the other side" syndrome is going on here as well. Everyone sees what Verizon is doing with FTTH and think that it somehow sets a standard when in fact other systems have been doing FTTH projects for over 6 years now. (Sacramento, CA - Huxley, IA and many more)
Bottom line - at&t is going after a market that it feels it will serve. It may not be a grade A system offering gobs of bandwidth to the home, but maybe they aren't going for that. People here say that DSL is better than cable, however DSL speeds are usually less than cable, not always better quality, but people seem to be ok with it because it fits their needs.
With that, at&t most likely doesn't feel it needs to offer a fiber service. Cable will most likely offer a fast and wide pipe to the home. at&t's strategy most likely will be to offer a service which is less to a consumer that wants or needs less.
So, their "crap VDSL 1.5" (which is so incorrect to begin with) which serves around 100mb (6 for internet) is just fine for their market. Additionally, if you're hearing nothing but talk about 1.5 VDSL, then you're not listening too closely either.
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| 100Mbps? I thought that they were limited to 26. Please educate me. |
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 VarlikWithout Honor You Will Never Be FreePremium
join:2002-01-06
Anderson, SC
1 edit | reply to bq4571
Re: The real answer is... said by bq4571 :
...these guys are morons.
If by these guys you mean the investors, yes they are morons. The CEO and Big Suits running things are pretty smart. They're insuring their companies short term success (as in stock market success) by not angering investors with costly upgrades. By the time their folly bears fruit they'll be ready to move on if they haven't already.
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cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | reply to Zorglub8
Re: Yeah, but... VDSL2 is capable of 100meg at 1000 feet. They are provisioning out to 3000 feet with vdsl at 25meg. There is room for growth in bandwidth as the technology matures and pair bonding is added. |
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Yes. The above poster is wrong in the 100 MB figure. It is limited to about 26 as far as I know without bonding...
He also totally jumped the gun on the above poster's words. He didn't say they had "VDSL 1.5" deployed. He said that they had VDSL deployed and that 1.5 MB internet connections were a joke. |
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 DaneJasperSonic.NetPremium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9 | I thought that u-wave was to be ADSL2+, which offers sync up to 24/3. Are you sure about the VDSL protocol usage?
-Dane |
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Re: vdsl.. wow, lol.. im so out of the loop.. well hopefully it gets massive deployment |
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| Well - maybe there in sh*t anyways... From DSL-specialist Dave Burstein's site:
"Correction: VDSL 'Crossover' Not Close
ADSL equivalence
mode and interoperability disappointing VDSL is working
well for highspeed service from the basement, deploying
rapidly in Japan. From the neighborhood node, DT has 3M
homes passed and AT&T over a million, with both intending
to rapidly expand. So the niche will expand, but I have
been unable to find a carrier regularly using VDSL gear for
customers over 5,000 feet, despite a VDSL standard designed
for that choice.
Yet another carrier has told me DSL Prime’s enthusiasm
for an early switch to all VDSL2 service is premature.
'I’d never get 72 ports on a line card with VDSL2, and
the power problems are hard to solve,' their DSLAM
designer tells me. Density, heat, power are proving
very resistant to improvements. Prices are staying
high, 2 or 3 times the $6 or less ADSL2+ chips can go
for. TI isn’t competing for the high end, and several
other announced chips have not come to market.
From 5,000 to 12,000 feet, the goal was equal
performance. The actual VDSL chips were considerably
slower (up to 20%) to customers at those ranges. Only
one profile (8b) allows full downstream 20.5 dBm
power; all profiles reduce power by several dB and
result in less maximum performance.
'Deployable interop will take more time to settle,' an
chip engineer laments. 'All vendors are upgrading VDSL2
firmware rapidly. Production designs are changing
rapidly.' Carriers deploying now must use modem and
DSLAM chips from the same vendor, and may be locked
into that vendor for several years to maintain
compatibility. The DSL Forum and UNH are working on the
problem.
My prediction, '20% of dollar volume will be VDSL by
the end of 2006, I believe,' is almost surely wrong.
Currently, only deployments under 5,000 feet are going
to VDSL. Those with a substantial portion of lines over
5,000 feet are going for ADSL2+."
»www.dslprime.com/News_Articles/n···cles.htm |
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rayePremium
join:2000-08-14
Orange, CA | "AT&T remains happy with the bandwidth provided" But I doubt your customer are or will be. Looks like cable will win out in most if not all the areas served by this bloated dinosaur of a company. |
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cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | reply to DaneJasper
Re: Yeah, but... They are using vdsl. ADSL2+ maxes out at that, where as they are getting 25meg at 3000 feet right now. |
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 RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
1 edit | Dear AT&T... Dear Uverse project engineers...
My fellow Americans..
and CWH.
Approximately 3 days ago, my cable operator, Adelphia..was transitioned over to Comcast.
Following a little upgrading this morning..and a bit of tweaking..these are currently my results.
19914k Download speeds
719k Upload speeds
I ask you this. How is Uverse EVER going to compete?
Do you think that when that uverse flyer winds up on my door that I'd EVER want to switch from something like this for what today anyway..appears to be at best 1/3rd those speeds?
You must be on crack if you think that would ever happen.
This is so fast that to be honest..I'm afraid to go to anymore speed test sites. The last one I went to..when it started downloading..it blew me off my seat and into the wall.
I mean, have you ever sat at a connection like this? One that just starts getting warmed up at about 9,000k..then absolutely rips into overdrive..leaving you just wondering, what the he** is AT&T ever going to do to match this?
But, you know what? This is just the beginning. Where will this all be when at&t finally gets itself rolled out of 8 markets it's trying to sell a few customer service in now?
Will this service be at 50MB by the time AT&T really calls uverse a viable product?
As I read the above story, all I could see was poor Mr. CFO so damn worried about disapointing his investors. So worried about spending the money that it will take to really compete.
But, you know what? With this kind of competition, I'm really starting to worry that AT&T won't even be around to compete.
After all, would YOU take uverse and it's 5MB speeds instead of something like THIS?
19914/719
You'd have to be absolutely insane..or completely broke.
One can only hope they come to their senses.
Before it's too late.
Fiber..to the home.
It's now, or never..for AT&T. |
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