inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | The are going to incur the wrath of Jews and Muslims...
.....for being ham friendly. |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood. |
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BPL 200 Mbps
join:2006-11-05
Toms River, NJ
| fyi Porto Alegre, Brazil tests internet via power lines !!!
fyi Porto Alegre tests internet via power lines
Telecom Paper (subscription), Netherlands - Jan 10, 2007
The council of Brazilian city Porto Alegre is testing broadband over power line communications (PLC) as a possible means for boosting internet use.
fyi Needs to subscribe to read more...
»www.telecom.paper.nl/news/articl···3730&nr=
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DataDoc
My avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.
Premium
join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC
 ·Suddenlink
|  Hey, my watch is wrong!
"...This won't address problems faced by shortwave listeners and users of time signal stations..."
Like every watch and clock that sets itself using the time signals. Might PO a few people.
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BPL 200 Mbps
join:2006-11-05
Toms River, NJ
| reply to BPL 200 Mbps
Re: 147;Powerline Networking has arrived!148; shown at CES 2007
“Powerline Networking has arrived!”
DS2 unveils largest display of market ready products for HD Video and Audio networking over home wiring at CES 2007
Demo showcases the range of applications supported by powerline networking products for home and business available from major brand names through leading stores nationwide
Booth #25907, South Hall 2, Consumer Electronic Show, Las Vegas, NV, 8th January 2007 - DS2, the global leader in powerline communication chipsets today unveiled the largest display of commercially available 200Mbps Powerline Communications products at CES 2007 showing that Powerline Networking has arrived with whole home HD and audio networking. The demo highlights the ease and simplicity of powerline home networking using a mix of readily available and new to market products from a range branded manufacturers including new products from Averlogic, Acbel, CORINEX Communications, D-Link, DEFIDEV, Conceptronic, NETGEAR and Texas Instruments.
Source: »broadbandoverpowerlines.blogspot···ved.html
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alphapointe
Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-10
Columbia, MO
clubs:
·Mediacom
1 edit | reply to DataDoc
Re: Hey, my watch is wrong!
Atomic watches and clocks set their time via WWVB, a 60khz signal. The news item is referring to the AM stations in the shortwave bands, like WWV at 2.5, 5, 10, 15, and 20MHz.
This will not affect atomic clocks/watches at all.
EDIT:
Here is WWV's web site:
»tf.nist.gov/stations/wwv.html
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DataDoc
My avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.
Premium
join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC
·Suddenlink
| said by alphapointe  :Atomic watches and clocks set their time via WWVB, a 60khz signal. The news item is referring to the AM stations in the shortwave bands, like WWV at 2.5, 5, 10, 15, and 20MHz. This will not affect atomic clocks/watches at all. EDIT: Here is WWV's web site: » tf.nist.gov/stations/wwv.html You are correct, Sir!
No coffee in the morning causes confusion in me. 
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Not everyone is going to be happy........
...but at least they opened a dialoge unlike other other companies.
quote:
The system is being provided by PowerGrid Communications of Meridian, Idaho, who have met with local amateur radio operators about the technology's interference potential. Area hams call the company "cordial and very cooperative." "They know the hams are very concerned about this system," says Steve Telsey of the Colonial Wireless Association. "They're willing to notch out the ham bands. This won't address problems faced by shortwave listeners and users of time signal stations, however."
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bmn
? ? ?
Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| How nice of PowerGrid...
So, they will gladly make concessions of the HAM operators of the area, but to hell with you if you happen to be a shortwave radio or AM time signal listener ? Nice, real nice.
I'm curious to see how the Feds are going to feel about Powergrid when they go online and the licensed NIST signals suddenly are gone from the airwaves. It is one thing to interfere with a bunch of hobbyist radio guys, but it is another to interfere with a federal government signal.
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Fox McCloud
Crazy like a fox.
join:2006-07-23
·Embarq
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| said by bmn :So, they will gladly make concessions of the HAM operators of the area, but to hell with you if you happen to be a shortwave radio or AM time signal listener ? Nice, real nice. _; Shortwave is encompassed in HAM radio....
Anyway, it's interesting to see this expanding...I have no complaints as long as it doesn't create terrible interference...If only I could convince DP&L to deploy this.  |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| said by Fox McCloud :_; Shortwave is encompassed in HAM radio.... Right, but the article seems to hint that they are only going to protect HAM as asked for by the ARRL guys, not shortwave in the context of radio stations broadcasting on the shortwave worldband. So, say you want to listen to a shortwave station from Bern or Berlin, it sounds like you'll be SOL once they go live.
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| Great for Hams, Bad in General
Great... As a ham, I am happy to read about BPL working with licensed Amateur Radio operators.
This doesn't change my opinion on the fact that BPL isn't a worthwhile technology, and it is just a fad that the power companies are going through, hoping they can get a piece of the broadband pie... In reality, fiber to the home and other similar technologies represent the future of broadband deployment in America. BPL is a thing of the past.
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | reply to ColorBASIC
Re: The are going to incur the wrath of Jews and Muslims...
pork rinds taste better |
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Fox McCloud
Crazy like a fox.
join:2006-07-23
·Embarq
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| reply to Tzale
Re: Great for Hams, Bad in General
I think BPL really only has a chance in rural America...why deploy in the cities when DSL, Cable, (and now) FTTH have taken off and have been LONG established.
Sadly, that's where electric companies are focusing on the most with BPL; the cities.
It seems as though rural America will never get true broadband. |
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JoeBubba
join:2006-11-20
Farmingdale, NY
·Optimum Online
| reply to inteller
Re: The are going to incur the wrath of Jews and Muslims...
Homer Simpson: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Lisa, honey, are saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?
Lisa Simpson: No.
Homer Simpson: Ham?
Lisa Simpson: No.
Homer Simpson: Pork chops?
Lisa Simpson: Dad! Those all come from the same animal!
Homer Simpson: [Chuckles] Yeah, right Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.
mmmmmm pork |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to bmn
Re: How nice of PowerGrid...
said by bmn : So, say you want to listen to a shortwave station from Bern or Berlin, it sounds like you'll be SOL once they go live. Why do you need to listen to shortwave radio? All you need is the internet.  |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Fox McCloud
Re: Great for Hams, Bad in General
said by Fox McCloud :I think BPL really only has a chance in rural America...why deploy in the cities when DSL, Cable, (and now) FTTH have taken off and have been LONG established. Sadly, that's where electric companies are focusing on the most with BPL; the cities. It seems as though rural America will never get true broadband. BPL had ZERO chance in rural America because the cost to deploy is higher over long distances. Just because you have power lines doesn't mean BPL is viable. |
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Fox McCloud
Crazy like a fox.
join:2006-07-23
·Embarq
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| said by moonpuppy :said by Fox McCloud :I think BPL really only has a chance in rural America...why deploy in the cities when DSL, Cable, (and now) FTTH have taken off and have been LONG established. Sadly, that's where electric companies are focusing on the most with BPL; the cities. It seems as though rural America will never get true broadband. BPL had ZERO chance in rural America because the cost to deploy is higher over long distances. Just because you have power lines doesn't mean BPL is viable. Hmmm, interesting, I stand/sit corrected then!
Well, if it's not something for rural America, then kill the technology; telco, cable, and fiber companies vastly more knowledgeable than the electric company about the internet...not to mention they [FFTH/DSL/cable) have more experience. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| reply to bmn
Re: How nice of PowerGrid...
said by bmn :So, they will gladly make concessions of the HAM operators of the area, but to hell with you if you happen to be a shortwave radio or AM time signal listener ? Nice, real nice. I didn't read them say that. They'll "make concessions" to those that complain, like HAM's, because Part 15 rules they have to. If a shortwave radio or AM time signal listener exists in the area, and they complain, under those same rules they'll need to address it, too. But if no one complains, then there can be no "harmful interference". And a Part 15 operator needs to mitigate harmful interference, not hypothetical interference.
And realistically, how many in their area will use shortwave radio, especially these days when you can stream thingsw from all over the world. And if no one's using it in this area, why waste the spectrum and stop it from being used for Part 15 applications? In the view of the FCC, spectrum should be utilized to the fullest extent. |
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Spurs5Arsenal1
@munet.com | utility applications
bpl deployments are becoming increasingly about the utility applications (meter reading, demand reduction, fault detection) than isp service delivery. and for this reasoin bpl is here, and here to stay. |
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