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Washington, DC | Can't wait until they build on a congresswoman's lawn That's pretty shameful, doing whatever is cheapest for them, without caring about the people who would be their customers. Just because they can do something, doesn't mean they should. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: Can't wait until they build on a congresswoman's lawn Well, since the offending company is AT&T, I can assure you that the decision was based upon what's best, and cheapest, for AT&T - everyone else be damned. | |
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Corona, CA | Re: Can't wait until they build on a congresswoman's lawn As if anyone should be shocked that this is the case. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Can't wait until they build on a congresswoman's lawn said by BlkAeronaut:said by fAcEtIOUs:said by axus:That's pretty shameful, doing whatever is cheapest for them, without caring about the people who would be their customers. Just because they can do something, doesn't mean they should. How do you know that the placement was based on price and not on network design or engineering requirements? These boxes have to go somewhere. Of course, when they pick your property instead of a neighbors, you are upset. But that has nothing to do with costs. Not every neighborhood being upgraded will have locations that won't offend someone. Such is life in the modern world. Power companies bury their transformers. Yeah, and when they explode it is awesome! Sucks for the power companies, they have to dig it up and fix it...
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Lake Forest, CA | Re: Can't wait until they build on a congresswoman's lawn ... or someone unintentionally (or intentionally for that matter) decides to drive their car through one? | |
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San Antonio, TX | From what I have seen in San Antonio, these boxes are being placed right next to other older boxes. Most appear to be located in unobtrusive locations, but I am sure there are problem locations. Either way, they are still going into the ROW, so there is not much a homeowner can do if one goes into a bad location. | |
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Washington, DC | Who else has engineering requirements for boxes that big by the premises? AT&T sets the engineering requirements, if the engineering requirements asked for a smokestack putting out a foul smell then they'd better redesign it. | |
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Osseo, MN | Re: Can't wait until they build on a congresswoman's lawn While I don't really care about this as I live in an apartment and don't care if some gigantic box is on the property though I wouldn't really like it on my yard if I had one. But the question I have is who exactly has the access to the easements? As far as I am reading it is utility companies and apparently cable companies that have access to do this though it seems that cable tv is not what you would call a utility. Plus if AT&T does not call their service "Cable TV" but something else what is their reasoning for putting these up? Do they consider Internet and "AT&T TV service" a utility?
It seems to me unless Internet and TV is considered a Utility it should be able to block it from being put on someones yard (or easement as the case may be) without it being okayed by the person that yard belongs to or at least okayed by the community. Or they will at least need to be treated like other utilities are like electric and phone and have to provide it so everyone not just certain areas. | |
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kudos:18 | Re: Can't wait until they build on a congresswoman's lawn said by sjr: Plus if AT&T does not call their service "Cable TV" but something else what is their reasoning for putting these up? Do they consider Internet and "AT&T TV service" a utility? It seems to me unless Internet and TV is considered a Utility it should be able to block it from being put on someones yard (or easement as the case may be) without it being okayed by the person that yard belongs to or at least okayed by the community. Or they will at least need to be treated like other utilities are like electric and phone and have to provide it so everyone not just certain areas. You forgot that AT&T Telephone service is a Utility? It is under that they use the easements. Now does that clear up things?
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Osseo, MN | Re: Can't wait until they build on a congresswoman's lawn I would assume these people already have phone service. This is just new add on for their tv and internet service. Perhaps they will run some phone through it, but I would think it would only be some voip phone service. I guess this sounds to me that they use their phone access to the easement to do whatever they feel like doing there like adding extra non utility services. Of course internet could always be changed to be called a utility like phone, electric, etc.... I would be fine with that. It just seems they want it both ways for what they are trying to do. | |
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Grove City, PA | If that was my house, I'd paint that box green.. or plant evergreens around it.
But I guess if someone got their panties in a twist over it, I could imagine someone tearing it out 
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Can't wait until they build on a congresswoman's lawn I'd put one of those new computerized military camouflages on it. At least then it'd look cool... or blend in.
You know, with this all starting in Ohio, it's going to be a shame when i have to leave to find a job. I might have just been able to get it. | |
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I'm sure eventually "FIOS/DSL/Cable HSI Ready" will be in the ad for the home or the apartment. It is where I live. | |
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kudos:1 | said by kyramilan:I know real estate agents and even apartment complexes that don't get the sale/renter if HSI/Cable, etc. isn't available there. I'm sure eventually "FIOS/DSL/Cable HSI Ready" will be in the ad for the home or the apartment. It is where I live. Very minimally, and more importantly, only temporarily. 20 years from now, having high speed internet access will barely register a blip on a home's value, but having three refrigerator sized cabinets on concrete pads in the front yard certainly will.
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East Lansing, MI | As already said -- too bad it's u-verse and not Fios. This big box is for a wonderful 6MB Service. | |
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| NIMBY Everyone wants fast service, but no one wants to put up with the "eyesores" that provide the service. There were many similar stories when FiOS started going around the last couple of years. There was a lot of hoopla at first but after a couple of weeks no one cared. It just blends in with the existing electrical transformers, telco, and cable tv pedestals.
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| Re: NIMBY said by cdru:Everyone wants fast service, but no one wants to put up with the "eyesores" that provide the service. There were many similar stories when FiOS started going around the last couple of years. There was a lot of hoopla at first but after a couple of weeks no one cared. It just blends in with the existing electrical transformers, telco, and cable tv pedestals. Exactly....They all want FTTH but it has to look pretty. I would be more than happy if I could get anything remotely close to FIOS, etc to have the cabinet on my property.
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Arlington, VA | Re: NIMBY I don't think its as simple at the NYMBY attitude. The problem here is that AT&T does not tell consumers (when we come to install this equipment, [pic] this will be on your lawn).
AT&T would probably gain more support from residents if they worked out a plan with consumers on where the place the boxes instead of just giving the comment that they made. I mean that looks like a pretty big box and I sure as hell would not want to see one of those in front of every home on my block. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: NIMBY said by NPGMBR: I mean that looks like a pretty big box and I sure as hell would not want to see one of those in front of every home on my block. You are joking, right ?? You've clearly never read any of the stories about FIOS or FTTH installs posted here nor even read this story. Did the homeowner suggest that he ordered FTTH service ?? No. This box serves dozens and dozens of homes...
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Arlington, VA | Re: NIMBY No, I'm not joking and yes I've read the stories about the FIOS installs. However, if you had read those stories you'd have seen that those stories were more about people's yards being torn up for the install, but......the yard is easily repaired compared to this thing.
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Miami, FL | That's a bad idea. The first reaction of everyone would be to whine and complain and not to put the things up at all. Later of course they would whine and complain because they cannot get the service. All of this in the end will get into the hands of a blood sucking lawyer who is going to get millions, while all the whiners and complainers get the shaft. | |
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kudos:3 | said by ptrowski:Exactly....They all want FTTH but it has to look pretty. Fuckin' eh it has to look pretty. Why shouldn't it?
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East Fultonham, OH | I second that. The phone lines run down an alley behind my house. I have a 6 foot tall privacy fence that separates said alley from my back yard, so that being the case the boxes wouldn't bother me one bit. Hell if at&t offers a better deal on tv than TWC I would pour the concrete pad for them, just so I could tell TWC to take a flying kiss at my @ss! | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | people dont have fiber boxes but they want 50mbit internet(oh wait ATT cant even get to 20). but anyway its like cell phones there are parts of my state where you get no service and people complain. but then Verizon proposes a tower and they bitch about that too so Verizon and the others just say enjoy no bars.
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2 edits | said by cdru:Everyone wants fast service, but no one wants to put up with the "eyesores" that provide the service. Yup, like the folks that complain about their lousy cellphone service, and fight tooth and nail when a new tower is put in their neighborhood.
Good thing these anal-retentive twits weren't around a few decades ago. None of us would have radio, TV, telephone, or electricity.
If they're stupid enough not to have researched what easements were on the property before they bought it, they have no one but themselves to blame. Good thing for them there isn't a mining easement on their lot: people have come home and found their house bulldozed and a big hole in its place. | |
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kudos:1 | said by cdru:Everyone wants fast service, but no one wants to put up with the "eyesores" that provide the service. There were many similar stories when FiOS started going around the last couple of years. There was a lot of hoopla at first but after a couple of weeks no one cared. It just blends in with the existing electrical transformers, telco, and cable tv pedestals. FIOS boxes are 2x a cable tv power injector. Uverse are the size of a fridge, or as tall as a person. | |
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Columbus, OH | i used to work for a cell phone company and our tech's showed us pictures of the different things they do to camouflage/hide cell phone towers. i know of cell towers on the back (non-visible) side of highway signs, built into church steeples, on top of buildings, even camouflaged to look like a pine tree (in dublin, ohio off of rte. 33, didn't notice until they told me about it and i used to drive past it daily on my commute to work). they made these concessions to comply with the property owners/community's wishes to make the towers as unobtrusive as possible. i guess at&t has no such motivation since they have legal access to the land, but it says a lot when a company takes an attitude like the one shown by at&t ("i'm gonna build this where i want, when i want, and how i want, and if you gotta problem, tough, sue me"). a little cooperation goes a long way.
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kudos:1 | Re: NIMBY Look at the coverage maps for Oakwood Ohio, a 'suburb' SE of Dayton. T-Mobile's is very interesting... They show a light green that follows the city's boundaries. If you live near the 'edge' of town, you're probably okay. If you live in the center, you're screwed. This town has *strict* zoning rules... There are *no* gas stations inside the city limits, for example.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | said by ominae:i used to work for a cell phone company and our tech's showed us pictures of the different things they do to camouflage/hide cell phone towers. i know of cell towers on the back (non-visible) side of highway signs, built into church steeples, on top of buildings, even camouflaged to look like a pine tree (in dublin, ohio off of rte. 33, didn't notice until they told me about it and i used to drive past it daily on my commute to work). they made these concessions to comply with the property owners/community's wishes to make the towers as unobtrusive as possible. i guess at&t has no such motivation since they have legal access to the land, but it says a lot when a company takes an attitude like the one shown by at&t ("i'm gonna build this where i want, when i want, and how i want, and if you gotta problem, tough, sue me"). a little cooperation goes a long way. the death star strikes again. Churches love cell providers, the church my parents goto just started to lease its steeple to sprint. not only is sprint paying a few grand a month but they are buying a new roof for one of the secondary buildings. i guess the church is in a really sweet spot that the benifits outweigh the cost of the lease and new roof
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| said by ominae:i used to work for a cell phone company and our tech's showed us pictures of the different things they do to camouflage/hide cell phone towers. i know of cell towers on the back (non-visible) side of highway signs, built into church steeples, on top of buildings, even camouflaged to look like a pine tree (in dublin, ohio off of rte. 33, didn't notice until they told me about it and i used to drive past it daily on my commute to work). they made these concessions to comply with the property owners/community's wishes to make the towers as unobtrusive as possible. i guess at&t has no such motivation since they have legal access to the land, but it says a lot when a company takes an attitude like the one shown by at&t ("i'm gonna build this where i want, when i want, and how i want, and if you gotta problem, tough, sue me"). a little cooperation goes a long way. the death star strikes again. I think there is a bit of a difference in a cell tower and a box the size of a fridge...but I understand your point. In FL they had the cell towers that looked like trees also.
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Guys, there is no single piece of residential infrastructure that is that big. The only things that I've seen that are that big are transformer cabinets for high-demand locations, like shoping and industrial centers. Residential transformer cabinets are much smaller and are usually even colored to blend in. Best of all, chances are that you're not even a customer of said service when they decide to plunk one down in your front yard.
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| Re: i have a cable junction box in my back yard. no they wont. If it is in an easement they can tear it down, but they cant bill you. Plus the shrubs I plant are enough distance away from the box that it would not interfere with their work. However, if you want to make life interesting for them plant a bunch of barberry and holly bushes around it, they will LOVE that. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: i have a cable junction box in my back yard. said by inteller:no they wont. If it is in an easement they can tear it down, but they cant bill you. Plus the shrubs I plant are enough distance away from the box that it would not interfere with their work. However, if you want to make life interesting for them plant a bunch of barberry and holly bushes around it, they will LOVE that. Cactus is better. | |
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There's nothing extraordinary about these boxes. It's a simple RT. SBC just never set many in the past and now people are grumbling because they don't get extra money for the placement. | |
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kudos:1 | I loathe the death star, but tought noogie.. Hey, I have as much seething whitehothate for the death star as the next guy, but...
If AT&T gets the proper permits, and places the box within their right of way, guess what? Tough noogie.
If the box is outside the right of way, or the proper permits aren't obtained, then I say have at it and make them move the box. If not, you've got to live with it.
In my experience with dealing with companies that have right of way on my property (I have a petroleum pipeline that runs down the long side of my acre lot. The pipe itself is about 20 feet from my foundation), I've found that being firm but accommodating is the best way to go.
A few years ago, when the pipeline co had to dig up and repair a portion of the coating on the pipe, I bartered with them to clear some brush and debris from the back yard.
They did it, no sweat, but then again, they've always been a good neighbor...
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Bristol, RI | Right of Way Law Another legal dispute? Just register as cable the new FCC regulation should enable an agreement in what 90 days? The buildout takes longer than that.
"AT&T has disputed the need for the contracts. But Cleveland Heights Law Director John Gibbon, experienced in telecommunications law, said the company must have an agreement to provide video service in a community.
Until Cleveland Heights has an agreement, Gibbon said the city can use a new right-of-way law to reject sites for cabinets. The city will need to cite reasons, such as concern about appearance or safety, he said." | |
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join:2003-01-25 | Re: Right of Way Law yes, at&t has a right to do upgrades for "telecommunications", but what it the lightspeed offering really? Is it video or an ip service? A little clarity from the FCC would be helpful.
i guess I'd argue that boxes of this size wouldn't even be used were it not for the video offering... no mass upgrades would be required if it weren't for the video portion. They can already offer phone and dsl services with their existing plant.
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join:2003-01-25 | Re: Right of Way Law agreed, but my point is these upgrades (boxes) wouldn't even be going on were it not for the video offering.
Because of that, they should be regulated by video franchising requirements and not be subject to "telecommunications" exemptions for r.o.w usages.
Again, a ruling from the FCC on what the Lightspeed Video offering actually is would make the subject a hell of a lot more clear.
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| Re: people against local franchise agreements said by bogey780:... and they can do it right now. This is no different than the placement of any RT. If they have frachising agreements then there's no guarantee you won't still see them. Well the franchise would force a resolution, thats the point.
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| jtel
join:2005-06-28
Bristol, RI | "remember, this is the type of thing at&t can do in the rights-of-way without any permission or notification if there is a national or statewide franchise agreement."
Verizon was saying it was taking a year to a year and a half to negotiate with each community for cable tv rights. The new FCC agreement forces the municipality to come to terms within actually I think it was 6 months.
Instead of this AT&T will be in court with each town that decides to go that route for years and years. Bigger cities have lawyers on staff just like AT&T.
Why set yourself up for this headache when it can easily be avoided.
Just how big are these boxes? The article quotes one man as saying he didn't want a refrigerator on his lawn and that if he put one on it the city would fine him, LOL! I haven't see a picture next to something for scale. Verizon buries all its remotes in my area. | |
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| | | said by xerxes3642:remeber, this is the type of thing at&t can do in the rights-of-way without any permission or notification if there is a national or statewide franchise agreement. Actually, this is false. AT&T will NOT have "free reign" to do ANYTHING they want if state/federal franchise agreements are reached. Most municipalities still require permits for these "boxes" even when they are placed in the ROW. This goes for most all "utility" companies.
It makes me laugh when usually the same people who have complained of the cable companies' stranglehold on video are now the ones complaining about the RBOCs' move into the video arena... | |
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join:2001-05-02
Westerville, OH | Check Easements and deed restrictions before you Buy! Check Easements and deed restrictions before you Buy... all of this stuff is available to look at before you close on a piece of real estate. I have owned 3 houses and I can clearly remember the closer at each transaction showing me the easements and deed restrictions before the deal was closed. (the example used was that the easement holders can do whatever they want including dig-up your concrete driveway where it crosses the easement... made me pay attention!) | |
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| | | Re: Check Easements and deed restrictions before you Buy! People will complain about anything. Its the same way when there is a cross-box in their backyard. Some people will lock the yard, tie a dog to the pole where the box is mounted, etc. People dont realize easement rights of the phone & cable co. Let your lights go out & the power company needs to bring a huge piece of equipment into their yard & they are happy to see them. | |
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| | If they pay me they can stick 40 boxes in my backyard @400$ a month for each box | |
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|  macrospectAll The Little StuffPremium
join:2005-08-25
Doylestown, PA | Re: If they pay me That would be funny as hell if I saw something like that.
I could care less if they put one of those in my front lawn. Then again I am in a condo so technically I am not the only one who "owns" my lawn. | |
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| | | | Re: If they pay me While I wouldn't be 100% pleased about having one on my property (not because of the eyesore factor, but because of using my property without permission)....But I'd ultimately overlook it because it would mean that I'd definitely have faster internet speeds....
Heck, since I have no broadband options, I'd be willing to have 2 of these on my property if it meant I could get broadband access. XP | |
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|  jasqidFiber In Your Diet?
join:2002-04-02
East Palestine, OH | said by odreian615:they can stick 40 boxes in my backyard @400$ a month for each box They can put one in my yard for FREE service for as long as I live at the address. | |
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| | They actually offer $$ Here in Michigan they actually ask to put one of those boxes in. I had a friend who was offered money to locate a box on their property. IF they declined it was just going to go to a neighbor who took the money so they did. It doesn't look horrible. | |
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 jgkoltPremium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH | To shed sonme light on this The residents were worried that AT&T were deploying experimental technology that could already be outdated in their neighborhood. They are putting up these boxes that i do agree look ugly and If i was not asked before they put one it I would be quite angry too. Maybe they can compensate the homeowners with free internet so they may WANT to have these boxes installed. Most of the people did not know much about the technology nor did they want/need faster internet or a different tv system. I watched the public access meeting AT&T had with the city where residents could come and ask questions. AT&T was basically blasted by the residents. What I don't understand is why someone would want this service that provides me with half the speed cox cable is giving right next door. as for the tv, I have heard that most people who tried out the new iptv that they have switched back to cable because of all the glitches and problems.
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 Michieru2zzz zzz zzzPremium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | ! Alright people it's simple, either you have high speed internet access that you where bitching so much about or you have yourself a nice community with no power lines showing or the works.
Clearly your bitching and crying is coming from the simple idea of gaining something without sacrificing another. Just moving your arm your sacrifing calories by moving that arm.
The sidewalk is not your property, so if AT&T want's to install a box in the middle of the front of your home they have the right to do so. It might look damn ugly and stupid but that's the law.
You have the right to complain to the city and allow them to move that at least to the side of the house and most likely they will listen but frankly if you want capacity and speed that son of box is never gonna be small.
So get used to it or get no broadband. That's your choice. | |
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| marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Re: ! said by Michieru2:You have the right to complain to the city and allow them to move that at least to the side of the house and most likely they will listen but frankly if you want capacity and speed that son of box is never gonna be small. Not in this case. AT&T is claiming that right does not exist. Hence the outcry.
Something else to consider is that these boxes are primarily to deliver television services, not high speed internet. As mentioned in other posts, the internet service is not even competitive on speed or price with existing services already available in these neighborhoods.
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| RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | said by Michieru2:The sidewalk is not your property, so if AT&T Then why do I have to clear the snow off of it? And if someone trips on a broken slab and breaks an arm why can I be sued? If I fence off my yard all the way to the street, will the city just say "No Problem."?
The sidewalk is your property, but you have obligations in a legal sense that allow others to use it and any other right of ways that are legally attached to your property via the deed. A lot of legal paper is involved and it varies from state to state, county to county, and city to city (or what ever your political divisions are).
Someone pointed out the national franchise. Most deeds appear to have been written written assuming local control. In today's world of FEDERAL level control, it will be interesting to see what the money hungry corporations can do when the only oversight is an overworked, underpaid, and possibly bribe heavy office back in DC, thousands of miles away. You may own the land, but the corporation may wind up owning you.
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 pokesphIt Is Almost FastPremium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
kudos:1 | Lightspeed Boxes Why not buy a couple cans of paint that match your house and paint the thing.. and/or plant some stylish bushes and plants around it, problem solved. | |
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| marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Re: Lightspeed Boxes said by pokesph:Why not buy a couple cans of paint that match your house and paint the thing.. and/or plant some stylish bushes and plants around it, problem solved. Because AT&T will bring an injunction against you for vandalizing their property and blocking access to the box. | |
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| |  pfakBow before me for I am rootPremium
join:2002-12-29
Vancouver, BC
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| Re: Lightspeed Boxes said by marigolds:said by pokesph:Why not buy a couple cans of paint that match your house and paint the thing.. and/or plant some stylish bushes and plants around it, problem solved. Because AT&T will bring an injunction against you for vandalizing their property and blocking access to the box. "I keep seeing these darn kids come by and spray painting the whole box green!" | |
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| | | Re: Visit Home Depot! i dont think they make one big enought for a 5ft tall and 2 ft ide and 1 ft deep hunk of metal | |
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| |  ToadmanHypnotoad
join:2001-11-28
Ohio
kudos:1 | Re: Visit Home Depot! said by RIRWIN1983:i dont think they make one big enought for a 5ft tall and 2 ft ide and 1 ft deep hunk of metal They do, it is called the rock climber, and it is for kids wood play gyms. All you need is 4 and you can charge admission! | |
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL | What happens when they put one of these things in my yard.
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| tonydiPremium,MVM
join:2001-05-11
San Jose, CA | Re: What happens when they put one of these things in my yard. Maybe they can do what they sometimes do for remote terminals, cover them up with a fiberglass "boulder". This one has probably been beaten on by the neighborhood kids so it's a bit worse for wear. Actually, in this crappy neighborhood, the plain box would probably drive the property values UP! | |
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| | | | Re: What happens when they put one of these things in my yard. You're saying that the rusty sheet metal rectangle is there intentionally?! | |
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