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Re: LameComplete BS!
So, by their account I can never get updated software (for a piece of hardware) with new features from a company w/o being charged for it? Sorry to say it's been done before and will be done in the future. Come up with another excuse Apple, this one doesn't fly.
Call a spade and spade here and say we want to charge you for it, that's all.
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Yeah it's lame all right ...... on Apples part | |
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Anyone that buys this pile of Bull from Apple, I have a bridge to sell.
If it was even remotely true, why not $1? $.01? Its a revenue measure, nothing else. Why they feel the need to make up excuses, I have no idea. | |
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I do not get it... If it is just software, then surely anyone could just make the "patch", no? Besides, even when it is Apple's that is charging you money, it is still GWB's fault. Of course. I mean everyone knows it is Halliburton who is behind the n-draft anyway. | |
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2007-Jan-15 5:11 pm
HMMSo because APPLE doesn't want to do the proper accounting, they're charging users for this?
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Re: HMMThe problem isn't that they don't want to do the proper accounting. The problem is the way they'd have to account for it.
According to Apple's accountants, if they deliver a free new feature for an existing product, they can't book any of the revenue for that existing product until the time the new feature has been delivered. This is because the new feature is considered part of the existing product, hence the existing product isn't considered "delivered" until the new feature is delivered. Since they've already booked that revenue, they can't deliver the free new feature without risking a trip to Federal "PMITA" prison.
If they charge for it, they can consider it a separate product and there's no problem.
It's crazy enough to be true. Sarbanes-Oxley is a major albatross around the necks of every public company in the US. | |
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Re: HMMSo does this mean that Microsoft will need to charge a seperate Sarbanes-Oxley fee for Vista? After all, Vista unlocks a previously unadvertised feature of some hardware ... namely, draconian DRM restrictions. | |
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said by russotto:It's crazy enough to be true. Sarbanes-Oxley is a major albatross around the necks of every public company in the US. True that. | |
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Funny, this didn't seem to stop Microsoft from releasing the Fall Update to the XBOX 360 which enabled countless features. | |
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Re: HMMsaid by Enlightener:Funny, this didn't seem to stop Microsoft from releasing the Fall Update to the XBOX 360 which enabled countless features. I'm not a console guy, so I may be mistaken, but don't you have to pay a subscription fee for xbox live to get those kind of updates? | |
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Re: HMMNo, because Xbox Live Silver is free for every console, and it allows you to download the updates. | |
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Yeah, cedar park? Freezing my ass off in Round Rock.
Anyways, I guess since the xbox 360 is already advertised with including xbox live silver, the free one. And since xbox live silver is advertised as being able to update your system and whatnot, I guess they don't have to charge them? I don't know. | |
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2007-Jan-15 5:48 pm
There's other ways they could've gotten around the $5 fee.
Hell, give the users back a "free" $5 itunes card, or do a rebate or something. By charging $5 for it without giving them anything but the firmware makes them look like greedy bastards. I'm sure there's proper accounting methods to follow, it's just that they don't want to go through the hassle. | |
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Re: HMMsaid by 93388818:There's other ways they could've gotten around the $5 fee. Hell, give the users back a "free" $5 itunes card, or do a rebate or something. By charging $5 for it without giving them anything but the firmware makes them look like greedy bastards. I'm sure there's proper accounting methods to follow, it's just that they don't want to go through the hassle. Do you know how expensive for any company to run a rebate program? Charging $5 barely breaks even the costs of process the $5 revenue. Apple won't make much money of this (if any). Of course, as a user you may have all kinds of reasons to get mad, but the new accounting rule is much less forgiving than a few angry customers in this case. Besides, some people are never happy about anything anyway... | |
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Re: HMMor maybe just post the patch on the website and let the users download it as the users see fit as is the standard for the rest of the industry? | |
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said by 93388818:By charging $5 for it without giving them anything but the firmware makes them look like greedy bastards. I couldn't have described apile (whoops i meant apple)any better. | |
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2007-Jan-15 8:53 pm
I'll bet it just happens to get "leaked" and everything will be just fine. | |
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hahaLOL! Darn should of gotten bids | |
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2007-Jan-15 5:16 pm
OH my goodnessA whopping 5.00 to enable somehting you did'nt know you bought. Pay it or DL it and please don't waste peoples time with 5.00 whinings please LOL | |
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Re: OH my goodnessActually they knew they bought it but it was disabled and they are making them pay 5 dollars to activate it. Quite crappy in my opinion way to go Jobs. | |
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Re: OH my goodnessSpecs listed at sale do not include "N" A-B and G only. SInce this isnt a certified spec they may have been forced to agree not to activate it till later who knows. The rediculous part of this post is the 5.00. Mac users have been paying out the nose until recently and 5.00 is majorly trivial. 95% don't even need to pay it they don't have and may never have "N" routers. | |
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??I wonder when the tool gets pirated will Apple be going after hosting sites?
Probably not since they don't do this because of the money?
LMAO
They charge this because they can since most Mac zealots won't mind.
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Whats the Problem? Just Drink Sing and Be MerryDon't let it get ya down mate...Everybody...Sing A Long Now! Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot, Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We extort, we pilfer, we filch, and sack, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. Maraud and embezzle, and even high-jack, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We kindle and char, inflame and ignite, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. We burn up the city, we're really a fright, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. We're rascals, scoundrels, villans, and knaves, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. We're devils and black sheep, really bad eggs, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We're beggars and blighters, ne'er-do-well cads, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. Aye, but we're loved by our mommies and dads, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. Eventually Every Pirate Gets a Patch ... Just wonder which eye | |
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I don't get it?If apple is going to make money off this move then they have to charge more than $5! $5 won't cover the cost of receiving the call, taking down the number and running the credit card much less talking the customer through enabling the port.
I think Apple is telling the truth when they blaim this on SOCs. There's a number of companies who have spent billions doing a reverse IPO and taking the company private in order to not have live under SOCs rules. | |
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Remember the Clinton Defense Fund?This might just be the Steve Jobs Criminal Defense Fund, disguised as a new USF (Univ Sucker Fee).
NV Noah Vail Quickly Runs Away as an angry mob wielding torches, wearing black robes emblazoned with shiny apples pursues in a fit of Mac Rage. | |
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Maybe??That's just the beginning how about the iphone ?? | |
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Re: Maybe??$500 for an iPhone? thievery. goober is better. » goober.com | |
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WowAmazing I can imagine the comment board if say Dell or Microsoft did this but if Apple does it then its ok... | |
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Re: Wowsaid by Shark_615:Amazing I can imagine the comment board if say Dell or Microsoft did this but if Apple does it then its ok... Amen. | |
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said by Shark_615:Amazing I can imagine the comment board if say Dell or Microsoft did this but if Apple does it then its ok... MSFT did... okay, it's been a while (pre SOX act) but they did charge $19 for the upgrade to WFW 3.11. | |
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Yay!You can still get the patch for `free' if you buy one of the new Airports that support 802.11n. I for one am happy and I hope cases like this will shed light on some of the problems with SOX. Thank an elected official. | |
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Mac sheepleDumb ass Mac sheeple, Yeah it's ok. Apple is doing us a favor...bla bla bla...
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"Corona" got it right, why couldn't Apple?said by 93388818:There's other ways they could've gotten around the $5 fee. Hell, give the users back a "free" $5 itunes card, or do a rebate or something. By charging $5 for it without giving them anything but the firmware makes them look like greedy bastards. I'm sure there's proper accounting methods to follow, it's just that they don't want to go through the hassle. Too bad Apple didn't ask you before trying to float this turd of an idea. My question is why does this qualify as anything more than a firmware update for existing hardware, period? After all, no new hardware has been sold or delivered. And, we all know that Apple is in the hardware business, not the software business, right Mac freaks? | |
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I call BS on AppleAs one that deals with SarBox as part of his job, I have to say that it appears that Apple is lying. They can an add or open a previously locked or unabled feature when they think it is ready - there is no need to charge for this. They just want $5.00 more for everyone to flip the switch. If they want it to be free then it can be free, if they want to charge to enable or add the feature that is their right too. They just should just be honest and say we are charging $5.00 because we want the $5.00. to blame SarBox is asinine at best. | |
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2007-Jan-15 6:30 pm
FanboyApple does it:
It's because of accounting and the law. Apple is trying to be honest. They're great. Hell, I'd pay $30 for the feature. If I could, I'd give my left nut to Apple.
If Microsoft did something like this:
Evil bastards. They are greedy. Microsoft sucks Windows sucks spyware virii crashing blah blah. | |
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So what ?Just pay the $5.00.
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I Can Believe AppleSarbanes-Oxley Act is a major pain to many corporations. Not mention teh SEC breathing down their back over backdating stock options I can see why Apple wold take this route. | |
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Re: I Can Believe Applesaid by richardpor:Sarbanes-Oxley Act is a major pain to many corporations. Not mention teh SEC breathing down their back over backdating stock options I can see why Apple wold take this route. Tell me about it! I work for a Broker Dealer/RIA. We also are under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act (We have a publicly traded company) and it's such a pita. oh well. | |
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2007-Jan-15 8:11 pm
It will just end up on the usenetAnd you can get it for free.
As for the "accounting", make it $.01, meanwhile we see Linksys 'enabling' features in their devices all the time without charging users. My WRTSL54G saw a new FTP serving function with a firmware update and somehow the financial people at Linksys aren't looking for the nearest bridge to jump from.
It's is simply Apple charging for the upgrade because they can; not because of some accounting issue. | |
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Typical...Apple bs. | |
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All manufacturers don't do this... really!So Toshiba, for example, should charge for this FREE firmware which updates the speed of a DVD writer? Firmware upgrade for SD-R5372 DVD recordable drive. Firmware will boost the DVD-R write speed to 16X, DVD+RW write speed to 8X and DVD-RW write speed to 6X. Firmware also expands media compatibility. What money grubbing bastards... | |
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Service Pack 2?Kinda odd microsoft can give out extra features for free but Apple will charge for them and hide behind a crappy law to justify the gouging. | |
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2007-Jan-15 9:09 pm
OH BOY, here we go again....No surprise this has evolved into a MS VS Apple thread.
So, here we all sit, arguing over something posted on a rumors web site....
Perhaps we should wait until we get confirmation from the manufacturer?
On the flip side, don't mean shit to me, my only core 2 duo is hooked up via cat 5.... | |
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