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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·Comcast
|  Easy solution - don't buy a Tivo
Well that makes the decision to ever buy a Tivo or use their service from a cable company like Comcast very easy - don't do it.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Whoever has TIVO stock....
.....better start selling it. 
Even non-technical people are going to hate this and start turning off their TIVOs (except for the nutjobs who can't live without it. "It has changed my life!"  ) |
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11337845
Live free or die
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join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA
|  Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but
I don't think that's why people do (or should) pay the monthly fee. Tivo, even with ads, is a handy device that makes watching TV on one's own schedule about as easy as it can get.
I wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from, and can only guess it's due to ad-free Tivo being the standard until now. It's like the re-adjustment period for a spoiled child whose parents are now backing up their expectations of the child.
The networks and their advertisers have every right to expect that the money paid for their ads (many thousands of dollars per ad, billions a year) aren't being completely wasted. I agree that many commercials are downright horrible, and I'd like to see the entertainment industry give me a decent reason to watch them, but that doesn't make them wrong.
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proletarian2
join:2007-01-08
00000 | Not worth it
I looked into a Tivo. I tried to justify it, but I couldn't.
$10/month for a dual tuner hd dvr from the local cable company. Much better deal. |
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SSX4life
Premium
join:2004-02-13
·RoadRunner Cable
| ok tivo wtf...
I'm sorry but if you PAY for a service simply for the fact you don't want commercials why are you getting them over the top? The money you DISH OUT to the corperate pigs and money grabbing fools COVERS THIS COST am I the only one seeing this?
It would be like telemarketers from the government calling you after you are on the no call list to try a new run of events and stuff. This just makes no sense and they are putting the bottom dollar not their customers first.
I'm sorry but 2 things come to mind.
#1. WTF TIVO
and
#2. Get a mythtv setup soon as possible
/roll eyes
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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| This might work, if they drop the monthly fee
As far as I'm concerned, they need to pick one revenue model and stick with it. Either charge me a monthly fee for no ads, or force ads with no fee.
I think the only way they'll continue selling boxes now that they are forcing ads is if they eliminate the monthly fee.
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ke4pym
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC
 ·VOIPo
·Verizon BroadbandA..
·Packet8
·RoadRunner Cable
| I was seriously
considering a Tivo S3. My plan is to plunk a huge antenna on the roof and drop cable all together. But their service is just too expensive. $20 a month for guide data and inserted commercials is a rip.
I'm now reevaulating my options. I'm thinking something like SageTV and a couple of HD cards or something.
Tivo just needs to die. Or get bought by Apple. |
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Jon
Premium
join:2001-01-20
Lisle, IL
| OH NO!
You'll have to look at this for 3 seconds while you FF through commercials..
Big deal, get over it. |
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11337845
Live free or die
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA
| Exactly. It's not like it's going to be super-imposed over the actual programming, and so far I haven't seen anything that says they're going to increase the time it takes to skip past ads.
What's the problem here? Did any of you really think the TV networks and their advertisers were going to stand by and let people waste their money? If you want to watch content that is from an ad-based network, you really shouldn't expect to be able to screw them over and they just take it like a grain of salt.
Realistically, this is like complaining about commercials on basic cable because "I already pay for it."
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mAlfunkti0n
join:2003-12-16
Loveland, OH | I love my TiVO but ....
I could easily do without it. Especially if they are trying to ram more ads down my throat. I skip the commercials people because I don't want to see them! |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs:
·VOIPo
| reply to Jon
Re: OH NO!
said by Jon  :You'll have to look at this for 3 seconds while you FF through commercials.. Big deal, get over it. Its not totally about having to look at the commercial. It is more about the entire industry wanting to pluck every penny they can and provide basically nothing for the customer. When cable first came out, it was touted as a pay service with less, or no, commercials. AS time marched on they have slowly added more and more into the mix and when people found ways to bypass them, they are shoving them further down our throats.
Our country is quiickly going the way of pay for everything and get nothing. And before someone says it, yes, it has been mentioned in my household several times, mainly in a joking manner, that maybe it is time to think about Scottland..
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to 11337845
Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but
said by 11337845 :... I wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from, and can only guess it's due to ad-free Tivo being the standard until now. It's like the re-adjustment period for a spoiled child whose parents are now backing up their expectations of the child.... sense of entitlement? how about outrage at TIVO changing the parameters of something you paid for? I see no problem if TIVO had been saying to every potential customer "You know we're going to change it in a year or two so you have to watch ads even when you fast forward". At least the customer is warned and makes an educated decision.
TCH is exactly right - drop TIVO like a hot potato or don't get TIVO in the first place. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL | If I could convert..
If I could convert my tivo box into a regular DVR (running MythTV or Windows) that would rock. The size of the Tivo box fits perfectly in my home. |
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Toadman
Hypnotoad
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH
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Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but
said by 11337845 :I wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from, and can only guess it's due to ad-free Tivo being the standard until now. It's like the re-adjustment period for a spoiled child whose parents are now backing up their expectations of the child. The networks and their advertisers have every right to expect that the money paid for their ads (many thousands of dollars per ad, billions a year) aren't being completely wasted. I agree that many commercials are downright horrible, and I'd like to see the entertainment industry give me a decent reason to watch them, but that doesn't make them wrong. Hold on there...
Tivo is a subscription service, people are paying X$ a month for a service, and when they start changing the service as to affecting the operation of the unit, every single person has the right to object. This is something MAJOR. Being able to skip commercials is well past 50% of the reason why people buy a Tivo. If they are taking equipment that you pay for and also pay a subscription for and then modifying it so that you can't, I would be in an uproar.
As for lost "add viewing" time for these networks, well, they need to get over it and realize that this is the nature of the beast, trends change and so does advertising. We don't see the cigarette companies still crying because they are limited on advertising, now do we? These companies need to find new ways to advertise, maybe on line?
Tivo is trying to save their sinking A**, plain and simple. Most people, including myself, realize that the neat Tivo features (easy to use interface) can be lived without for the money $. My Motorola PVR that I pay $5 rental fee a month for ( and that includes the hardware) does a fine job without ads. |
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11337845
Live free or die
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA
| reply to ropeguru
Re: OH NO!
The "entertainment industry" doesn't lose money directly because of Tivo. However, before this they received no compensation whatsoever, while at the same time advertisers became less willing to pay the same rates as Tivo subscribership grew.
If you don't want commercials, watch only content that isn't from an ad-based medium such as broadcast television. It's really pretty simple. You don't have the right to demand content for free which costs hundreds of thousands, if not millions, per an episode.
Perhaps the broadcast networks need to improve/change their chosen business scheme (I certainly agree that the movie industry needs to adapt to the digital age without treating paying customers like shit), but that doesn't make them wrong for expecting you, the customer, to watch their content on their terms.
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ross
join:2000-08-16
·Digizip
| reply to 11337845
Re: Ad-skipping is a nice feature, but
said by 11337845 :I don't think that's why people do (or should) pay the monthly fee. Tivo, even with ads, is a handy device that makes watching TV on one's own schedule about as easy as it can get. WRONG! It is one of the two major reasons people buy a TIVO in the first place, and is the primary one in my case.
said by 11337845 :I wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from, and can only guess it's due to ad-free Tivo being the standard until now. It's like the re-adjustment period for a spoiled child whose parents are now backing up their expectations of the child. This "sense of entitlement" comes from the representation by TIVO that commercials could be skipped as part of TIVO's marketing justification for subscribers purchasing TIVO and signing up in the first place. The locked-in lifetime subscriber reaction to the bait and switch theft of their right to avoid commercials by using a TIVO is amply justified. New non-lifetime subscribers can always cancel, and dump the equipment in the nearest landfill, where it belongs, if this invasion of privacy by forced viewing of commercials is going to continue.
said by 11337845 :The networks and their advertisers have every right to expect that the money paid for their ads (many thousands of dollars per ad, billions a year) aren't being completely wasted. I agree that many commercials are downright horrible, and I'd like to see the entertainment industry give me a decent reason to watch them, but that doesn't make them wrong. Commercials are a necessary evil for over the air, free TV. They are not inherently wrong in that circumstance, but even in that arena, the commercials that RAISE THE VOLUME OF YOUR TV WHILE THEY ARE BEING AIRED certainly do strain ones nerves. Quality and subject matter of commercials is a pointless topic.
Not so with paid for subscription TV, like Cable and Satellite, and especially not so for subscription services, like TIVO, which, in addition to access to more content, rely on subscribers desire to remove or skip commercials as a major foundation for their existence. So consumer reaction to TIVOs decision to remove one of the two reasons to subscribe service is both predicable, and justified. I hope they change their minds. If I start seeing this crap on my DirecTIVO, I will definitely reconsider my subscription. |
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11337845
Live free or die
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA
| reply to Toadman
Why should TV networks not expect you to watch their content on their terms? If they want to be an ad-based medium rather than a subscription service, that's their right. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Nothing in the Tivo contract says you have any rights in this regard. They have the right to change their TOS at any time, and you to cancel at any time.
Besides, I just don't see the big f'ing deal. You have to see an ad banner while you are skipping commercials only. It's not a continuous banner along the bottom of the screen while you're watching your shows.
Tell me how this is really bad. I just don't get it.
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mlundin
join:2001-03-27
Lawrence, KS | It's called a...
VCR. And I still use one. Bitchez. |
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massysett
join:2006-01-04
Silver Spring, MD | reply to Rob
Re: If I could convert..
There are companies out there selling MythTV boxes. They're a little bigger than TiVos though. A Google search for "mythtv" turned up a couple in the sponsored links. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Pathetic
Most everyone here pays for either cable TV, satellite, FIOS TV or some other service for TV. We not only pay for the shows but the commercials as well. Since we're paying for the commercials (we would not be able to watch them if we did not pay), then we should be able to skip them in any way we please.
Tivo looks like a worse and worse option each day. I sincerely hope my cable company doesn't mandate that we use it.
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