Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN | Money
It seems that companies would rather limit what you can do to save a few bucks on bandwidth. |
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
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I love unlimited broadband. Lots of countries still have caps.
+2 for USA
Stop comparing Japon and Korea to USA. Don't degrade our status.
BT and stuff like that is why we have these slow uploads and not much better options for music and movies in a digital format. |
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porkchops
...meh
Premium
join:2003-05-17
Saint Marys, WV
2 edits | 'Two Generations Behind'
Using the latest-and-greatest scientific equipment known to mankind along with the aid of recent BBR publications,
I have come to this conclusion:
No S_ _ _
(well, the spoiler tag's not working, so I'll leave it to the imagination)
Besides, peer-to-peer traffic throttling isn't causing the lack of US broadband development. |
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John Galt
Forward, March
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp | Bram...Buddy
Send me a check. The upgrades will start shortly thereafter.
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thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
1 edit | reply to ninjatutle
Re: Unlimited
said by ninjatutle  :BT and stuff like that is why we have these slow uploads and not much better options for music and movies in a digital format. BT has nothing to do with slow uploads. DSL's limit is close to being reached with SBC's 768 up, and verizon's, who do it affordably, and they don't cap. Verizon FIOS gives me 9.5 mbps up - no caps!
It's your ISP.
Music and movies aren't in a digital format because the industry won't release it unless it's 100% controllable. The only way to make it 100% controllable is to make it 100% unwantable(see HDCP, DRM, etc), so that's not going to happen anytime soon.
Blame the people responsible. It's the ISP limiting your speed, and it's the MPAA/RIAA preventing video and music from being released digitally in good quality.
Perhaps the ISP is actually unable to profit if they give you a higher upstream, but that is still on the ISP - not bittorrent. Bittorrent is a way to use your upstream. There are many ways to use your upstream. I can send files to work, I can send files to friends, I can upload attachments here. Shall we blame every use of bandwidth for the crippled ISP's inability to offer higher upstreams?
P.S.
You forgot to blame bittorrent for bad sales and the dreaded cable ISP nighttime slowdown. 
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The Problem With Music.
Our Rationale
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massysett
join:2006-01-04
Silver Spring, MD
| What are other countries doing with this speed?
Yet another article claiming that other countries have faster speeds; yet another article saying nothing about what people in the other countries *DO* with the faster speeds. How are people's lives in the other countries better due to the speeds? What services are they using that others with slower speeds are not using?
I'm starting to get really skeptical. |
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Zak3056
join:2002-01-28
Greeneville, TN
3 edits | reply to thender2
Re: Unlimited
DSL's limit is close to being reached with SBC's 768 up Since most DS-1s these days are delivered over HDSL, I would have to say that you are mistaken. |
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | reply to massysett
Re: What are other countries doing with this speed?
Yeah and we all should go back to dial-up cause what would people *DO* with anything faster. |
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thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| reply to Zak3056
Re: Unlimited
said by Zak3056 :DSL's limit is close to being reached with SBC's 768 up Since most DS-1s these days are delivered over HDSL, I would have to say that you are mistaken. Isn't your typical residential ADSL limit around 8/1? |
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John T
@verizon.net
| Correct about South Korea, somewhat less so about Japan
South Korea is clearly ahead in broadband. Japan is an interesting case; in Tokyo and downtown Osaka symmetric 100 MBps is indeed available, but the percentage of people with broadband overall still slightly lags the US:
»www.oecd.org/document/9/0,2340,e···,00.html
Japan thus has a bit of feast or famine, depending on where you live. It's difficult to argue that the US is two generations behind Japan; considering the availablity of FIOS, it's not more than one generation (and only because of Verizon not lifting bandwidth caps). |
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anon1
@csupomona.edu
| reply to massysett
Re: What are other countries doing with this speed?
said by massysett :Yet another article claiming that other countries have faster speeds; yet another article saying nothing about what people in the other countries *DO* with the faster speeds. How are people's lives in the other countries better due to the speeds? What services are they using that others with slower speeds are not using? I'm starting to get really skeptical. You are getting skeptical that we no longer need technological advances? Sounds like you are just getting old. |
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR
| Cry Baby BBQ The Broadbad Hog
Just another cry baby who want higher speeds for more illegal downloads. Hey Cohen, how about creating a real business model that doesn’t involve looting from others. Could it be P2P is not an efficient means for distributing movies, we still have DVD and VOD and satellite. I remember in the 60’s I read a book about the future. The book predicted we would have passenger cars that will go 150mph not to mention flying cars. While we can build a soccer mom minivan that goes 150mph it is not practical . The first example is fuel cost, the second is road conditions.
The same goes for high-speed broadband. 100Mbs is cool but for most users it is not practical. I believe many major Corporations do not use that much bandwidth for outside internet connection or inter campus WAN. |
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cohensucks
@swbell.net
| Hey Cohen, At least RCN came clean. Not like the other providers who hide. Also from what I understand they don't limit the ability to download from seeders just the ability to massively seed content that is typically illegal anyhow. Do we really need another seed of Big Butt Latinos XXVI.
Jason will be so upset you won't be signing up for their 20/2 product as well.. |
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ablack6596
join:2005-01-28
Scarsdale, NY
| reply to richardpor
Cohen makes nothing off people using bit torrent for illegal downloads. He makes money by legally selling movies.
It is practical to have 100mbs broadband. As time progresses the file sizes people use will continue to increase and this will require faster downloads. There is nothing stopping the faster downloads other than companies that don't want to advance. |
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wrathloki
join:2007-01-17
Minneapolis, MN | reply to richardpor
100mbps is VERY practical, and it's going to become necessary over the next couple years while downloadable content replaces physical content (video games, movies, etc.). |
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR
| said by wrathloki :100mbps is VERY practical, and it's going to become necessary over the next couple years while downloadable content replaces physical content (video games, movies, etc.). You are making an assumption that can not be proven with fact. It also could be true that what you describe could be done with 10Mbsor less. 100Mbs could be fiasco as big as the DeLorean.
What I am saying is we need to step back and take a second look at teh needs of all users not just a niche who resides on DSL reports before we dump more money into a pontal sink hole |
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The E
Please allow me to retort
Premium
join:2002-05-26
Burnaby, BC
| reply to richardpor
Let's consider the logistics...
Japan is 144,689 sq miles , while the U.S. is 3,537,436 sq miles ...... that over 2000 times the size of Japan.
That translates into sh!tloads more fibre and infrastructure.
I guess it's easier for these tiny countries to have what they do when the outlay of cash/resources is just a fraction.
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"The believer is happy....the Doubter is wise"
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to wrathloki
said by wrathloki :100mbps is VERY practical, and it's going to become necessary over the next couple years while downloadable content replaces physical content (video games, movies, etc.). Video games and movies are necessary? OK. |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | ISPs have to invest in making their networks better and fast
Why doesn't this clown build the network. Whaaaaa, whaaaaa I can't leach of the backs of the doers, whaaaaa, whaaaa. |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
1 edit | reply to Zak3056
Re: Unlimited
said by Zak3056 :Since most DS-1s these days are delivered over HDSL, I would have to say that you are mistaken. HDSL/SHDSL are absolutely nothing like ADSL. Sure, you may get symmetrical 1.5Mbit/s out of HDSL and 4Mbit/s out of SHDSL, but you're killing the voice spectrum on the DSL pair, killing the voice spectrum on any pairs next to the DSL pair, and getting 'only' 1.5-4Mbit/s down when ADSL2 is getting 24.
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Yes, I CanChat. Can You? www.fiberal.ca |
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