MASantangelo
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join:2004-07-19
Pittstown, NJ | I always enjoy
I always enjoy watching, reading, or otherwise seeing the death throes of an outdated belief system. With any luck his HDNet will be one of the first broadcast networks to poof - so he'll just shut up and go away. That would make me smile. |
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powerhog
Stinkin' up the joint
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join:2000-12-14
Owasso, OK | Cuban may be right
All you have to do is read the comments on yesterday's news to see that a great many people here at DSLR agree with him. |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | HDNet sucks
So there... |
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Toadman
Hypnotoad
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH
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Re: I always enjoy
said by MASantangelo  :I always enjoy watching, reading, or otherwise seeing the death throes of an outdated belief system. With any luck his HDNet will be one of the first broadcast networks to poof - so he'll just shut up and go away. That would make me smile. Your prediction will come true, the lack of HD networks is what keeps him on the map. I believe once more of the mainstream networks carry HD content (comedy central, TBS, WGN, sci-fi, etc), his network will be no more than a footnote in the history of HD.
HD net is worthless, and HDNet movies only occasionally will have a good movie |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  Cuban is right
Latest rant ( »www.blogmaverick.com/2007/01/11/···ologies/ ) is right. The P2P users just don't want the tap turned off on their copyright infringement machines.
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
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| Exactly! It's not the corporations responsibility to stop their users from being pirates. In fact, I often use over 50mb/sec on a continuous basis, downloading pirated HD Movies, etc. The town isn't responsible for what I am doing, nor should they be.
If they want to stop piracy, then the should PROTECT their content. Music CD's need DRM installed on them. DVD's need to be reprotected, with a new, secure DRM feature. I think the rise of the CD/DVD burners are the main reason people pirate. If we eliminate the CD/DVD Drives from computers, we would stop a LOT of the 'casual' pirates. In fact, the large hard drives (anything over 10GB), are the main reason people download from the internet at all. Let's pass a law stating that any hard drive over 10GB is illegal. Then, only pirates will have large hard drives, but the rest of us will be protected from those nasty criminals.
I support the right wing nut cases! Those evil P2P users MUST BE STOPPED. They are economic terrorist, like that evil Chavez dude! We need to use the US Army to crack down on all those malcontent evil doers in our country. I guarantee you, if a squad of rangers burst into little timmy's room while he was downloading the latest brittney spears CD, and they shipped timmy off to afghanistan for 'questioning', we would send a MESSAGE to those pirates, and piracy would stop for good !
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spewak
R.I.P Dadkins
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join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA | Simon Cowell says..
Shut-Up!  |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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·AT&T Midwest
·Comcast
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Re: Cuban may be right
Cuban makes some very valid points. The analysis of his points also are very valid, but I thought I would put down some thoughts as well.
Conflicting Clients - On multiple torrent sites there are clients that are and are not allowed. Heck, some clients out there are starting to come out that cheat the system and ratios. The analysis on TorrentFreak really doesn't address that. He addresses file association, and maybe that is what Cuban meant. I didn't get that impression when I read Cubans article. Either way, both people are right here. Cuban about the differing clients and TorrentFreak about the file association.
End users don't understand how P2P works - I agree with Cuban here. I have had to teach a lot of people how P2P works. With all the different clients out there and torrent lists and trackers, it can be more challenging to common users. Heck, these users need to open ports up in their firewalls, which to common people can be a hastle. Look at Blizzards delivery system and the amount of questions in the WoW forum that just that gets alone. Once as people understand the system, then they look to get around it unless they are REALLY into sharing. Which is why you had people downloading like crazy using Kazaa and then shutting the client down if they didn't want to share. Ratios play a part in most torrent sites, and some people just don't like that. Either way, Cuban is right that most people don't know how it works. At the same time, TorrentFreak is right that once people learn the technology, they will use it. Heck, even TorrentFreak admits that some people download and then shut their torrent down to avoid uploading.
Bandwidth savings for end user and the problem with seeding - Cuban says that bandwidth can be a problem and TorrentFreak says that more and more people are going after unlimited plans. Lets rephrase here...More and more people who are broadband aficionados are asking for unlimited plans. The bulk of the people out there don't understand how it works and don't download a lot. If the email is coming in and their webpages are popping up, whats the problem? Not everyone is a broadband expert out there. As for uploading while downloading, TorrentFreak is right on that. Users just don't care while they are downloading. If the download gets completed though and they shut the torrent off, Cuban is right. You aren't going to be able to upload as fast as you download so if you download 4gb and you only upload 250 meg and shut the torrent off, how are other people going to get that file as fast as you did?
Torrentfreak is looking at the picture as if EVERYONE was a broadband expert. Cuban is looking at the real world picture. In my opinion, both have great points.
Conclusion: Both parties win. 
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seant169
join:2003-07-21
Forney, TX | Mark Cuban OLD
Mark has lost his niche in the market!
His intrests with HDNet clowd his tech like thinking. After audionet.com he ditched the internet and said just broadcast.
Too bad Mark Got Old! Stuck in his ways! |
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Maccawolf
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join:2001-02-20
Hillsdale, NJ
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Re: Cuban is right
LOL 
Sarcasm is a wonderful tool, ain't it? |
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AnonProxy
Proxy of Anon
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join:2001-05-12
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Re: Cuban may be right
" All you have to do is read the comments on yesterday's news to see that a great many people here at DSLR agree with him"
Prove s that there are still a lot of dumb people in the world. Beocming a member of DLSR still doesn't require an IQ test, which is sad. |
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seant169
join:2003-07-21
Forney, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
·Suddenlink
| reply to karlmarx
Re: Cuban is right
the internet is not the easiest way to pirate movies or cd's but lets people that don't know a flip about technology get free shi_!
Soon it will be illegal to show a dvd to invite our friends over for a movie party! they will want to know how many people will be watching it or How many tv's.
BS |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
·Site5.com
·AT&T Midwest
·Comcast
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Re: Cuban may be right
said by AnonProxy :" All you have to do is read the comments on yesterday's news to see that a great many people here at DSLR agree with him" Prove s that there are still a lot of dumb people in the world. Beocming a member of DLSR still doesn't require an IQ test, which is sad. Smooth....but not rich. :P
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AnonProxy
Proxy of Anon
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
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that he didn't make is that the technology will need to mature some. P2P via Skype and The Venice Project work smoothly enough that the EU doesn't even know if it's P2P or straight from a server. None of his points accurately reflect these two applications. He brings up the latter and then drops it.
Also, his writing skills suck. I guess, since it's a blog, it's forgivable, but he could at least do a basic reading over his rants for clarity's sake.
I think Cuban is just upset that the internet is no longer doing things the way he thinks it should.
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | For a technology which sucks...
...and only works in tests and controlled environments, it's sure moving a lot of data in the real world.
Why does anyone pay attention to this idiot again? |
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powerhog
Stinkin' up the joint
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join:2000-12-14
Owasso, OK
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| reply to Nightfall
Re: Cuban may be right
I was thinking about this from a "pipe" point of view... as discussed yesterday.
Regardless of the technology used to distribute the media, it seems that downloading a full-length HD movie at current broadband speeds will take hours, if not days, for the average user... unless, as also discussed yesterday, the media is cropped and compressed so that it's no longer "true HD". This is especially true when you consider that the un-washed masses (vs DSLR members) generally subscribe to lower speed tiers from their ISP.
If/when the average consumer's broadband speed (and invisible caps) increases to levels where HD content can be downloaded in "minutes", Cuban and others may run into problems. However, for the next few years, it's unlikely that streaming HD is going to be a threat to conventional "broadcast" methods. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
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| It's not a pipe, it's a series of tubes. And they send dump trucks down those tubes, carrying massive, massive amounts of stuff. And when those tubes get filled up, they have to build more trucks. And whose going to pay for those trucks? Well, companies like google and yahoo aren't. We need to tax those people who are sending the sand in the trucks down the tubes, because they are getting a free ride by leeching off the great and powerful corporations, which help pay the senator. So, downloading a movies is like pouring sand down the drain. You'll clog up the drain, and then the interweb won't work anymore. The average consumer uses about 100 pounds of sand per year. But over the next couple of years, we expect the consumer to buy a bigger bucket and pail, so they can use more sand. And since the movies are made up of many many sand pieces, the internet wasn't designed that way. If you wanted to get something, it would take forever, because too many trucks are carrying the sand down the tubes. The internet? Is that thing still around? Support your local republican senator, cause a moron is a terrible thing to waste.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
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Re: Cuban may be right
All the more reason ISPs(*ALL* OF THEM) need to get away from the asymmetrical speeds!
10/10 min. for every high speed freak - with caps that allow downloading(and uploading) multi GB files, or no caps at all, and the BT/mass distribution of HD would work!
Even the beloved FiOS is severly one sided when it comes to bandwidth.
My Comcast? GEEZ!
All the people that have $19.95 - 1.5mbps/???k DSL packages? Not going to happen!
Yeah! I occasionally bitch about wanting a REAL fiber pipe.
But you will also notice that I have the biggest, baddest line available *HERE* in Hercules, CA.
8mbps/768k(nominal, PB takes it to 30mbps download from a few sources)... aint gonna cut it for HD and BT.
I'm boned just like most of y'all.
Sucks, don't it? 
How many of y'all have 10/10(or better) so you could make this actually work? Not too many I suspect.
16/2(highest Comcast available in select areas) would help, but it is still severly one sided. Sure, 10 sources with 16/2 lines would make it almost acceptable, but you or I will not be the only connection to this set of 10, so that sure puts a damper on that idea, huh?
Seeing as Comcast(A cable TV company) would not have it in their best interests($$$) to deliver the speeds needed or the content via broadband, not gonna happen. This would take away from their STB rentals and HD/cable subs.
Verizon is getting into FiOS TV.
It would not be in Verizons best interests(read cash-cow) to up their speed to realistic levels to make this work either.
Too much $$$ to be made from the STB rentals(are they rented?) and the advertising/bundled channels- just like Comcast and all the other cablecos.
So, what can we do?
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