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| Re: I downloaded 4 Exactly. That was #1 reason why I stopped buying DVDs. I've had enough with Shrek2... If I rent a movie from NetFlix I can live with this but if I pay moneyto own the DVD I don't want to have any previews and commercials on it that are REQUIRED to watch. I ended up ripping and re-recording most of the DVDs that I own and I will never buy another infested DVD.
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| Re: I downloaded 4 said by AdamD :Exactly. That was #1 reason why I stopped buying DVDs. I've had enough with Shrek2... If I rent a movie from NetFlix I can live with this but if I pay moneyto own the DVD I don't want to have any previews and commercials on it that are REQUIRED to watch. I ended up ripping and re-recording most of the DVDs that I own and I will never buy another infested DVD. A. If I have to rip a DVD to get rid of the previews, it's not worth buying.
There was one movie with over six minutes of crap.
With VHS tape, this was no problem. Analog is nice - the medium has no control over the user. I could just fast forward to where the ads end. Analog has no HDCP, or DRM.
DVDs have this silliness.
Any medium which allows something to communicate with something else is going to eventually be filled with ads, DRM, and unavoidable you-have-to-pay-again-if-you-want-to-see-it-again-even-though-you-"own"-it.
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| said by MysticGogeta :I dont think its wrong. They should lower the price on DVDS and include more interesting extras. If I like the movie I will go buy it other wise it justs sits on my hard drive. So if something is too pricey for you it's ok to steal?
So if that BMW is too pricey I can go steal it? Some morals you have.
Lower the price? Hell wal-mart has tons of DVDs for $5.50 or less. About one hours worth of work at Burger King for you. | |
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| Re: I downloaded 4 said by dentman42 :If I could make a copy of the BMW without one going missing from its owner, I would. Therein lies the difference. (If it was a bad copy, would the license plate pixelate so bad it would be unreadable? Could I just skip over potholes?) So in other words if you could rape woman and not get cauhgt you do it? If you could have sex with a 12 year old girl and not get caught you do it? It's the "getting caught" part that keeps you from committing a crime then and not some sense of morality? How nice | |
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| Re: I downloaded 4 said by AdamD :Obviously, BF69 either works for **AA or isn't very bright... A. No I don't for them and I have 130 IQ. Nice try. I just have MORALS. Obviously you don't know what those are. Google it. | |
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| Re: I downloaded 4 said by MysticGogeta :IQ and common sense are very far apart. Morals and YOU are very far apart. Don't breed. | |
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| said by BF69 :said by MysticGogeta :IQ and common sense are very far apart. Morals and YOU are very far apart. Don't breed. It's ironic, even people who disagree with media spreading over the internet due to lawbreaking agree the "AA"s use immoral practices which lead people to doing this.
You're defending immoral people.
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| said by BF69 :said by MysticGogeta :IQ and common sense are very far apart. Morals and YOU are very far apart. Don't breed. Pot, meet Kettle.
The movie studios are doing the very thing that file-
sharers are - taking someone else's work without paying
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| Re: I downloaded 4 BF69 -
That is really a lame argument. Not every crime, lie, moral is the same and carries the same weight. If you categorically believe that everything is as binary as good or bad, I feel sorry for those around you who have to endure your uncompromising and hardline mentality.
Did you ever run a yellow light? Well, if you did, you'd better turn yourself in cause based on your logic (and fairly sick line of resasoning) you might as well be raping a child. An offense is an offense, right?
Put things in perspective and argue the point and only the point.
Just my two cents.
And for what its worth - I think that if movie production companies feel that its fair to jam advertisements down our throats for media we buy, then we have a bit of a right to take something back for ourselves. I have a 15 month old daughter, and I want to put a movie on for her and get her to settle down sometimes, but if I pop a dvd in, I have to spend another 5 minutes futzing with the player, menu, adverts, previews, etc just to get to her program. Who is the production studio really thinking about with all this bloat?
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| Re: I downloaded 4 said by Ebolla :he said making a copy without the original missing, he did NOT say "without getting caught" Personally I dont DL movies either pay or free. But I do agree that a copy of a copy is NOT stealing.. the original is still there. Surely you are not that obtuse. | |
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| said by BF69 :said by dentman42 :If I could make a copy of the BMW without one going missing from its owner, I would. Therein lies the difference. (If it was a bad copy, would the license plate pixelate so bad it would be unreadable? Could I just skip over potholes?) So in other words if you could rape woman and not get cauhgt you do it? If you could have sex with a 12 year old girl and not get caught you do it? It's the "getting caught" part that keeps you from committing a crime then and not some sense of morality? How nice If your trying to make a analogy between having sex with a 12 year old or copying a DVD being as serious of a crime, you must have 1st hand experience? | |
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| said by dentman42 :If I could make a copy of the BMW without one going missing from its owner, I would. Therein lies the difference. (If it was a bad copy, would the license plate pixelate so bad it would be unreadable? Could I just skip over potholes?) Ouch... | |
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| Re: I downloaded 4 said by MysticGogeta :Ever get a new release friend were talking 14-20 sometimes 24 depending. Compareing stealing a car and downloading a movie is a poor metaphor. Well considering some people here steal HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of movies I think it's quite comparable. | |
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| Re: I downloaded 4 said by BF69 :said by MysticGogeta :Ever get a new release friend were talking 14-20 sometimes 24 depending. Compareing stealing a car and downloading a movie is a poor metaphor. Well considering some people here steal HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of movies I think it's quite comparable. But it's not. When a car is stolen, the owner or the Auto Store loses a very expensive asset. If a person downloads a movie off BitTorrent instead of buying it at Wal*Mart, the worst thing that happens is that Wal*Mart loses the profit they would make on a sale of that item. They don't lose a physical asset!
And all of this assumes that the downloader would have bought the DVD if downloading the movie wasn't an option. For the types of people that download "hundreds of thousands of movies", this is probably not the case.
The only movies I ever download are ones that I never really had much desire to see, but wanted to watch it out of morbid curiosity. Usually this is crap like Doom:The Movie or Resident Evil...not "Lord of the Rings" or "The Godfather", which I will happily pay a fair price to own. | |
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Houston, TX | Re: I downloaded 4 When you destroy the copy you made you are essentially no longer doing anything that could violate copyright law. However I would recommend buying the movie if you view and end up liking it enough to want a copy. | |
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| Italian Court: Downloading OK If Not For Profit
Decision overturns convictions of students who set up file-sharing network.
MILAN, Italy - Italy's top criminal court has ruled that downloading music, movies and software over the Internet isn't a crime if profit wasn't the motivation, though analysts questioned Monday whether the ruling would have much effect on copyright laws.
The court's decision, issued earlier this month but reported over the weekend by the Italian media, overturns earlier convictions against two former Turin Polytechnic Institute students who set up in 1994 a peer-to-peer, file-sharing network that was shut down within months.
They were found guilty of illegal duplication and given a one-year sentence, which was reduced to three months on appeal, defense lawyer Carlo Blengino said. »www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/5031···r_Profit
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| said by BF69 :said by MysticGogeta :I dont think its wrong. They should lower the price on DVDS and include more interesting extras. If I like the movie I will go buy it other wise it justs sits on my hard drive. So if something is too pricey for you it's ok to steal? So if that BMW is too pricey I can go steal it? Some morals you have. Lower the price? Hell wal-mart has tons of DVDs for $5.50 or less. About one hours worth of work at Burger King for you. More silly trolling.
a) Copyright infringement is not stealing. This has been held up by courts in the past.
There are only two reasons to call a downloader a thief. To flame him and degrade his character, since your arguement doesn't stand well on its own. Or, to spread misinformation since your arguement doesn't stand well on its own.
I prefer to read competent posts with useable information that won't embarrass me if I were to speak with someone who had a clue what he was talking about. So keep saying that, and I'll respond to every post correcting you - people who don't know better, deserve to hear the truth, what the U.S. sees to be law. Not the MPAA's PR department mimiced by every person
b) Price has little to do with it. It's convenience. Do I want to take the bus to the mall to the DVD store to find a DVD? No. I want to hit enqueue this in hellanzb/newzbin, go take a shit, and come back to a 100% watchable movie. The old way is archaic. You may call me lazy, but I say it's convenient, and that's what entertainment _should_ be - entertainment, and the less effort involved, the more entertainment there is. You can't beat the internet for that.
The MPAA has completely ignored the internet as a form of movie distribution, and once it _does_ become used, they will strain every last bit of fair use out of it. I won't be able to play it on my current portable device, I won't be able to watch it more than a few times, I won't be able to fast forward through the ads, it will be compressed to hell compared to the original, and if iTunes is any indicator, it'll damn well cost the same.
c) Selection.
I won't find 25th Hour in my local movie store. I won't find Dark Blue in my local movie store. I won't find Fatal Attraction in my local movie store. But I will find AMERICAN PIE 1, 2, 3, WEDDING, CLICK, and SNAKES ON A PLANE!
Sure, I could buy it on ebay and wait a week for the genius seller to go to the post office, and another two weeks for the $15 parcel post to get to me, but this goes back to A. We have convenience, but.. waiting a week or two for a movie? Fuck that.
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| said by BF69 :said by MysticGogeta :I dont think its wrong. They should lower the price on DVDS and include more interesting extras. If I like the movie I will go buy it other wise it justs sits on my hard drive. So if something is too pricey for you it's ok to steal? So if that BMW is too pricey I can go steal it? Some morals you have. Lower the price? Hell wal-mart has tons of DVDs for $5.50 or less. About one hours worth of work at Burger King for you. More silly trolling.
a) Copyright infringement is not stealing. This has been held up by courts in the past.
There are only two reasons to call a downloader a thief. To flame him and degrade his character, since your argument doesn't stand well on its own. Or, to spread misinformation since your argument doesn't stand well on its own.
I prefer to read competent posts with usable information that won't embarrass me if I were to speak with someone who had a clue what he was talking about. So keep saying that, and I'll respond to every post correcting you - people who don't know better, deserve to hear the truth, what the U.S. sees to be law. Not the MPAA's PR department mimiced by every person
b) Price has little to do with it. It's convenience. Do I want to take the bus to the mall to the DVD store to find a DVD? No. I want to hit enqueue this in hellanzb/newzbin, go take a shit, and come back to a 100% watchable movie. The old way is archaic. You may call me lazy, but I say it's convenient, and that's what entertainment _should_ be - entertainment, and the less effort involved, the more entertainment there is. You can't beat the internet for that.
The MPAA has completely ignored the internet as a form of movie distribution, and once it _does_ become used, they will strain every last bit of fair use out of it. I won't be able to play it on my current portable device, I won't be able to watch it more than a few times, I won't be able to fast forward through the ads, it will be compressed to hell compared to the original, and if iTunes is any indicator, it'll damn well cost the same.
c) Selection.
I won't find 25th Hour in my local movie store. I won't find Dark Blue in my local movie store. I won't find Fatal Attraction in my local movie store. But I will find AMERICAN PIE 1, 2, 3, WEDDING, CLICK, and SNAKES ON A PLANE!
Sure, I could buy it on ebay and wait a week for the genius seller to go to the post office, and another two weeks for the $15 parcel post to get to me, but this goes back to A. We have convenience, but.. waiting a week or two for a movie? Fuck that.
Arguments of moral integrity are always a red flag of an argument without substance. Yours is no different.
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| said by BF69 :said by MysticGogeta :I dont think its wrong. They should lower the price on DVDS and include more interesting extras. If I like the movie I will go buy it other wise it justs sits on my hard drive. So if something is too pricey for you it's ok to steal? So if that BMW is too pricey I can go steal it? Some morals you have. Lower the price? Hell wal-mart has tons of DVDs for $5.50 or less. About one hours worth of work at Burger King for you. More silly trolling.
a) Copyright infringement is not stealing. This has been held up by courts in the past.
There are only two reasons to call a downloader a thief. To flame him and degrade his character, since your arguement doesn't stand well on its own. Or, to spread misinformation since your arguement doesn't stand well on its own.
I prefer to read competent posts with useable information that won't embarrass me if I were to speak with someone who had a clue what he was talking about. So keep saying that, and I'll respond to every post correcting you - people who don't know better, deserve to hear the truth, what the U.S. sees to be law. Not the MPAA's PR department mimiced by every person
b) Price has little to do with it. It's convenience. Do I want to take the bus to the mall to the DVD store to find a DVD? No. I want to hit enqueue this in hellanzb/newzbin, go take a shit, and come back to a 100% watchable movie. The old way is archaic. You may call me lazy, but I say it's convenient, and that's what entertainment _should_ be - entertainment, and the less effort involved, the more entertainment there is. You can't beat the internet for that.
The MPAA has completely ignored the internet as a form of movie distribution, and once it _does_ become used, they will strain every last bit of fair use out of it. I won't be able to play it on my current portable device, I won't be able to watch it more than a few times, I won't be able to fast forward through the ads, it will be compressed to hell compared to the original, and if iTunes is any indicator, it'll damn well cost the same.
c) Selection.
I won't find 25th Hour in my local movie store. I won't find Dark Blue in my local movie store. I won't find Fatal Attraction in my local movie store. But I will find AMERICAN PIE 1, 2, 3, WEDDING, CLICK, and SNAKES ON A PLANE!
Sure, I could buy it on ebay and wait a week for the genius seller to go to the post office, and another two weeks for the $15 parcel post to get to me, but this goes back to A. We have convenience, but.. waiting a week or two for a movie? Fuck that.
Arguements of moral integrity are always a red flag of an arguement without substance. Yours is no different.
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| said by BF69 :said by MysticGogeta :I dont think its wrong. They should lower the price on DVDS and include more interesting extras. If I like the movie I will go buy it other wise it justs sits on my hard drive. So if something is too pricey for you it's ok to steal? So if that BMW is too pricey I can go steal it? Some morals you have. Lower the price? Hell wal-mart has tons of DVDs for $5.50 or less. About one hours worth of work at Burger King for you.
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The **AA's are not out of pocket by someone downloading a song/movie. Isn't it very misleading to compare a stealing a physical item that in itself cost money to make than a copy of a digital file?
Comparing stealing a BMW to digitally copying a movie is even more ridiculous than comparing stealing a physical copy of a movie from a store and digitally copying a movie. I feel bad for the store that has to absorb that cost. (Not like the **AA's would help them out... actually would help their sales.)
And then the whole "lost revenue" thing. Lost revenues of $X billions of dollars is really only $XX billion less the printing and distribution costs... ie, the profit. Of course, that percentage will never be thrown around by the hard done by **AA's. Unlike the stolen BMW the cost of making the BMW does not have the be absorbed.
Don't get me wrong, I do not think that copying music and movies is right. But I also do not think that as a paying customer I should be more inconvenienced than the "non paying customers". I'll still buy the odd movie, though I really get pissed off at the advertisements and the fact it is more difficult to use and access than downloading. (I am not touching anything with HDCP.) Music... forget it, I am not paying the RIAA members a penny as long as they deal with the artists the way they do. Not like hardly any of the profit makes it to the real talent anyways. (Movies, at least some of it makes it to the actors/directors etc... even if the difference between the "top tier" is way too much.) | |
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with studio-sanctioned services offering cumbersome DRM, significant platform restrictions, and limited catalogs.
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| Stealing is wrong, if I think the price is too high ! Good Lord are people REALLY this F'en dumb????
Why not rob banks or insurance companies - they charge high rates for nominal service.
Ferchissake if people can steal any time they feel the price of a good or service is too high we'd have one Helleva society.
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| Over $200 million in lost revenue a month well, not really because nobody can really tell if the person who pirated the film would have bought it in the stores otherwise. i do think that the porno industry suffers the most though because everyone is mostly too embarrassed to go to the store and would rather pay and watch online. people tend to watch a lot more free content (youtube) than paid films. piracy will always be around, and theres nothing anyone can do about it. instead of going with the flow, studio execs are going to look at that number in lost revenue and cry and then use more scare tactics. good thing im not in the movie biz.. arrrgg! | |
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| 29yr old males on a PC... What would you expect? They are watching LoTR movie while they download their WoW updates.
More fodder for MPAA.
Now what purpose does (Canadian) Solutions Research Group serve in doing a survey on the demographics of Americans downloading films?
"Since 1995, SRG's client base has grown to include leaders in the media, entertainment, technology, communications , retail and consumer goods sectors. "
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| I didn't! Know why?
All the movies suck! Quality is fine, the movies themselves blow monkey chunks!
Why would I want to download a sucky ass movie or movies?
I BOUGHT a couple... but they were Blu-ray. I have no plans to download a 50GB DVD from ANYWHERE!
Not to mention, there arent that many HD movies out there - yet!
KMA MPAA!
Tell the damn studios to start making better movies!
No one wants to pay $12-$29 for a crap movie! DUH! 
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| Re: I didn't! Neither did I.
If I want to see a new movie that bad, I'm willing to go to the theater and see it on the big screen to get the full experience.
I've seen maybe 2 new movies in the past 5 years. I've rented a few, but not many.
Even then, if I wanted to see a commercially available movie that bad, I would just go rent it. When I can get it for a few bucks, it's just not worth engaging in illegitimate, arguably illegal activity.
I can see the argument for downloading films that can not otherwise be obtained, like foreign language stuff...
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| said by dadkins :Know why? All the movies suck! Quality is fine, the movies themselves blow monkey chunks! Why would I want to download a sucky ass movie or movies? I BOUGHT a couple... but they were Blu-ray. I have no plans to download a 50GB DVD from ANYWHERE! Not to mention, there arent that many HD movies out there - yet! KMA MPAA! Tell the damn studios to start making better movies! No one wants to pay $12-$29 for a crap movie! DUH! Exactly!
I bought a few older DVD's. I'd rather get all the extras than to just get the movie(at 5kbps on BT) theres just alot less hassle if you buy it. As for music, i haven't bought a CD in ages. its just all noise to me today what RIAA labels are putting out.
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| Re: I didn't! I rent DVDs for $1.00. Machines have this "bad habit" of ripping whatever gets placed in the drive(except BD)... bummer, huh?
I don't really like keeping DVDs. Watching a movie the second(third? fifth?) time is like re-reading a book... you already know who did it! Why bother?
The BD movies are different... sorta. They're HD. I still really don't have a want or need to watch them 2-3-5 more times, but they sure look better than a "normal" DVD!
Guess I should finally get a Netflix account, they will send me BD movies.
Can't rip them... yet. But like I said, don't really like watching a movie that second time
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Matter of time. Besides, it's about time...making you pay for downloads. I thought piracy was about free! | |
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| If 16 million people do it, is it morally wrong? When a large portion of society does something that is so called 'illegal', isn't the law wrong. Just look at the prohibition. Sure, you had your right wing christian fundies protesting the 'evil' of booze, but the rightful majority didn't find it wrong. Downloading today is a lot like the prohibition. Sure, it's illegal, but it's NOT morally wrong. I have no problem downloading a movie or 10 every month. It's not like I'd ever pay to watch it, so they aren't loosing any money anyway
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major marco
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clubs: | WTF I must be the only guy who hasn't downloaded a movie. It's too much of a hassle and I don't have the time. | |
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MysticGogeta
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1 edit | Re: to do do? said by MysticGogeta :Don't need to be a grammar Nazi mistakes happen. I do not believe "do do" is a mistake, just grammatically awkward. I don't claim to be an English professor or have a mastery of the language, but I have seen that phrase used elsewhere. | |
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Whats a Posting tag?
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2 edits | Re: to do do? said by zeromips :I do not believe "do do" is a mistake, just grammatically awkward. I don't claim to be an English professor or have a mastery of the language, but I have seen that phrase used elsewhere. I believe this sentence should have read "with 80% claiming they exclusively use file-sharing sites to do so.", not "to do do". | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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| Monitary Questions: How much PROFIT does a blockbuster movie make when it is released?
What are these "??? Made $47million this weekend" news items we hear when a new movie opens at the theater?
Gross.
Now, a month later... $100million. WTF Chuck?
There is a tidy profit in there, right?
This is just in the US... forget abroad!
Ok, so the makers/MPAA wish to milk some more out of that 1 movie... press some DVDs.
How many of these DVDs sell? Say at $12 a pop?
What does it cost "them" to press each DVD?
So, 16 million people downloaded a rip.
Were all of these downloads full-on DVD rip @ 7-9GB?
Or, were a few of them shrunk? Perhaps XviDs? Insert codec here__________ compressed format?
I don't care what anyone here has to say about whatever a movie's original format is, whether it is compressed or not, when you compress it *MORE*, picture quality will take a dive!
Audio will suffer being compressed too!
(Blu-ray audio is uncompressed, PERIOD!)
So, depending on what people have actually downloaded, The almighty MPAA may be bitching about a freakin iPod rip! WTF?
Oh yeah! Play back that cropped, compressed POS download on a bigscreen or HDTV! RIGHT!
The 7-9GB DVD rip will look fine, but not everyone is downloading those!
Keep squeezing MPAA...
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1 edit | Re: Monitary Questions: said by dadkins :How much PROFIT does a blockbuster movie make when it is released? What are these "??? Made $47million this weekend" news items we hear when a new movie opens at the theater? Gross. Now, a month later... $100million. WTF Chuck? There is a tidy profit in there, right? Don't forget that these "Blockbuster" movies cost millions to make, whether it's high dollar actors, expensive CGI/Animation, permitting, travel to foreign countries to make the movie seem more real, the money that the studio must pay those countries, etc... There are a lot of up front costs associated with making a movie. I say cut down on what the actors are being paid and you'll see a reduction in the cost of Theatre movies as well as DVD's.
First, Recording Artists don't make enough money, then Actors make too much?!?! Is there a happy median? Who sets the standard? Isn't it the folks that are PAYING that sets the standard?
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1 edit | Re: Monitary Questions: said by manfmmd : First, Recording Artists don't make enough money, then Actors make too much?!?! Ain't that the truth. But, on the flip side of things, there are some movies that would seem to not be that great, box office wise that clean house in reality. Clerks 2 for example. Cost $5 mil or so to make, but it was already paid for due to the overseas rights before it was even released. So all of the money you saw it make in the theaters and DVD is straight up profit. That is justa little movie (in the whole scheme of things, at least).
So with that being said, how much of the production cost is being covered by the overseas rights on the Big Blockbusters??? | |
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| said by dadkins :How much PROFIT does a blockbuster movie make when it is released? What are these "??? Made $47million this weekend" news items we hear when a new movie opens at the theater? Gross. Now, a month later... $100million. WTF Chuck? There is a tidy profit in there, right? This is just in the US... forget abroad! Ok, so the makers/MPAA wish to milk some more out of that 1 movie... press some DVDs. How many of these DVDs sell? Say at $12 a pop? What does it cost "them" to press each DVD? So, 16 million people downloaded a rip. Were all of these downloads full-on DVD rip @ 7-9GB? Or, were a few of them shrunk? Perhaps XviDs? Insert codec here__________ compressed format? I don't care what anyone here has to say about whatever a movie's original format is, whether it is compressed or not, when you compress it *MORE*, picture quality will take a dive! Audio will suffer being compressed too! (Blu-ray audio is uncompressed, PERIOD!) So, depending on what people have actually downloaded, The almighty MPAA may be bitching about a freakin iPod rip! WTF? Oh yeah! Play back that cropped, compressed POS download on a bigscreen or HDTV! RIGHT! The 7-9GB DVD rip will look fine, but not everyone is downloading those! Keep squeezing MPAA... You and I must think exactly alike!! Most of the downloads the MPAA is speaking of are these rips. Not "full quality" DVD. I rip the movies that I have bought to Xvid to have them on my laptop for travel purposes. I don't feel like hauling around a bunch of DVD's along with all the other stuff.
I guess i'm probably the next target for a lawsuit doing this. Dunno..
But I do believe the HD/BR size is going to put a dent in the downloading with the sizes these images are!
Watching a 700meg dvd rip with a 50" TV and listening to the 128kb mp3 audio on a 1000watt system is just stupid! I've tried it and it's just junk! | |
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| Re: Monitary Questions: Just to clarify though - both BD and HD DVD do compress their video
So if we can effectively compress HD content to a certain degree for high-end consumers to be happy - who is to say that it can't be compressed a bit more for the sake of transport? Say 5 GB / hour or something like that. I don't have the mystery codec that can make this happen - just stating that man shouldn't limit himself by what can't be done.
Not trying to pick a fight - but Dadkins - please continue to be clear that only the AUDIO is uncompressed on BD. | |
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Staten Island, NY | Movie Downloads As a matter of fact after I watch the movie I delete it.Believe me a LOT of the movies I recently downloaded ain't worth passing around to anyone else. | |
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3 edits | am i a pirate? I copy movies I rent from Blockbuster to watch later when I have the time, then I usually dispose of the DVD or I might lend it to an Uncle to watch, who never would have rented it anyway. | |
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| Re: am i a pirate? said by Packeteers :I copy movies I rent from Blockbuster to watch later when I have the time, then I usually dispose of the DVD or I might lend it to an Uncle to watch, who never would have rented it anyway. Yes you are a pirate since you didn't purchase the original copy, you borrowed it.
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| Re: am i a pirate? This is funny they should just shut up.
The more and more you put in the news the more peope are going to find out about it and start downloading movies.
I got started by reading about the pirate bay in a local paper.
So why not shut up and stop whining to the news and then lesss people even know what pirating movies is. fools. | |
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Hercules, CA
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| Re: am i a pirate? LMAO!
They raided The Pirate Bay's hosting farm. Trashed more than TPB's servers.
Got MEGA press out of it.
As soon as TPB was back up, TONS more traffic! DUH!!!!
Some real bright ideas, huh?
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1 edit | Three tiered system needed The MPAA needs to learn three things to solve this problem.
1.) Movies need to be sold with simple DRM. That means it is not click copy and paste to copy a movie. Any more security then that and they are going to loose the battle they are trying so hard to win.
2.) Intellegent three tier pricing based on quality and sales NOT content.
720x480p on a single DVD in a simple paper carton, Stereo only, with no extras.
under $5
720x480p multiple disks multiple layers, in a plastic case with 2 audio formats and extras and high quality and bitrate
$10-12 each
HD DVD or BR-Disk 1080p 2 audio formats VC1 or H264.
$18-$20 each
3.) Work with and of sure the carrier not the end user,( this may actually happen) if someone is using your resources to do something illegal you should attempt to communicate to the end user that they are doing something illegal after 3 warning in a six month period the ISP should dump them. If everyone did this there would be alot less people pirating assuming that the previous pricing was available. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| All tyou theives are the reason Why the media companies justify this stupid DRM. Now I know your jobs at Burger King don't pay you very much, but that's balanced out by the fact you still live at home with your parents. Can I come to you house and steal your shit? If not, why not? What is the difference? | |
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Columbus, OH
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| Re: All tyou theives are the reason DRM doesn't stop the pirates. It only becomes a pain for those who actually buy the movie, and in a lot of cases, knowing the DRM is there will prevent someone from buying the movie when they otherwise would have.
It's ridiculous to continue using a broken DRM - and in the case of DVD, they're all broken. Quit paying the licensing fees for the DRM and use the savings to lower prices. Lower prices and piracy becomes much less of an issue. | |
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West Bloomfield, MI | It seems that it would do us good to ignore you bf96. | |
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You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| I get about 95% of the movies that I watch without paying anything for them. Everything from older titles, to television shows, to new releases. Just got the Uncut version of Greys Anatomy season 2 the other day. Didn't pay a dime.
Does this piss you off? Am I a thief????
Before you spout more bullshit rhetoric, I checked them out of the library. Why is it ok for me to use them from the library, free of charge. What is the difference if I borrowed the movie from there, or from online? Is the movie industry out of a sale because I got a copy for free?
Tell me this..
I check a movie out of the library, and I watch it one time, and return. Is the MPAA out anything? Did I break your moral law?
Now suppose I check a movie out of the library, and copy it. I watch it one time, and put the copy on a shelf for the remainder of it's life. Is the MPAA out anything? Is the outcome different? If you think it is please explain.
Now suppose that a friend loans me a DVD. I watch it and give it back. Am I a pirate yet?? If so, why?
And finally, suppose a friend sends me an electronic copy of a DVD. I watch it one time and delete it. How does that differ from me borrowing the DVD other than the format?
The result to the MPAA is the same.. Nothing. But they will call me "lost revenue". When I never would have bought in the first place.
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| Re: they seem to think said by kenyg :that these "pirates" equal lost revenue. Wonder how many people that downloaded movie files would not have otherwise seen them anyway. My thought is that is probably a good percentage. So? Why should they get a free ride? Shoplifters wouldn't buy the stuff they steal anyways so let's make shoplifting legal. Does that make any kind of sense? | |
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join:2004-06-05
Toronto
| Re: they seem to think I think he meant if you take it logically for example if you were not going to buy it in the first place AND you downloaded it. The company should lose nothing since there were no physical manufacturing costs associated with the downloading. But if you went to the store and stole it they will loose physical manufacturing cost and other costs associated with that physical production. I know you are going to say stealing is stealing no matter downloading or sealing it from a store. My example was just in terms of the companies’ loss. | |
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join:2001-02-09
Hatboro, PA
| Re: they seem to think I'm not about a free ride. I just hate that they will trumpet that they are losing 200million a month to "illegal filesharing"
If they were able to wipe out piracy tomorrow would we could then expect them to make that 200million in Feb?
I don't think so, because they put out mostly crap.
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| Re: Again said by xrobertcmx :It is all about DRM, at least for me. I have no problem buying DVD's. I have a problem when I can't play them back on the computer I built using the DVD-Rom that I bought, and the legal copy of the DVD that I bought. We all hate DRM, but it's not the studios fault it's the thieving socialists here that have this welfare attitude that everyhting should be free. NOTHING is free. Someone somewhere pays for it down the line. | |
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join:2004-08-10 | Re: Again i think of stealing as taking something "real" as in physical, its copyright infringement not stealing | |
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| Re: Again No, I see theft as theft. Theft of a virtual property is the same as theft of a physical property. I am not a programmer, but I know enough of them to understand that when your income depends on an insubstantial or non-tangible property, someone using it without your permission has just taken money out of your wallet, or food off your table. This is the same with anything either physical or virtual. The use of or taking without permission is theft.
As for the other side of the arguement, we now have an industry that wants to charge the user almost on per play basis and who have manipulated the law to a point that any attempt to circumvent their protection schemes is in and of itself a crime. I can not agree with that, when I have legally purchased a CD or DVD it should be mine to use in the manner I see fit. If I wish to watch it on my laptop, desktop, television, or reflected off the water in my toilet, that is my business. I should not incur additional costs in order to watch it, nor should I have to jump through legal hoops to transfer the content to another medium or convert it into another format so long as I am not doing so in oder to distribute that content.
I will admit, I have downloaded a movie or two in my time. I no longer do, and when I did it was only to see if I wanted to buy the DVD. And to my ignored friend, I went and looked for your response above the hard way, and I have no idea how you worked a political ideology into your rant, but I understand why I put you on the ignored list again.
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Sweden
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| Virtual Pirates No offense, but being proud of "stealing" isn't really great. And I don't think the high price of a DVD entitles you to say you are not a "thief."
Though, let it be known I download plenty of movies and music. Look at my signature. The thing is, I admit that it's illegal and that it is not a "good thing."
What is kind of crazy is that only 78% consider stealing from a Brick and Mortar store to be wrong.
I support File Sharing mainly because I feel the penalties are crazy and it is a form of protest. I don't do it because I enjoy being a thief. Mainly because I can't afford it any other way.
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