Rob
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Kendall, FL | Question of Authority..
Should GoDaddy have the power to yank domain names offline? IMO it should be the sole discretion of ICANN. |
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Dennis
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| DNS doesn't take down a site...idiots
What a horrible way to think your putting a genie back in a bottle.
Aside from using IP's...who long did it take to propagate across the rest of the worlds DNS servers?
This obviously was myspace shopping around for a sympathetic ear because nobody in their right mind would consider this efficient or effective.
Oh and heaven forbid they do anything about the accounts...i'm having AOL deja vu.
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kapil
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Chicago, IL | Remember who MySpace is owned by...these people have very little face time with reality. |
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
| reply to Rob
Re: Question of Authority..
If it means the security of hundreds/thousands/millions of account names/password, etc...then yes, they have a right IMO.
If a big site like Google or Amazon all of a sudden posted a ton of credit card info or any kind of personal info, I'd rather have it yanked immediately in terms of taking site down temporarily until it was removed. Protecting people's security is much more important then a website losing some business.
If a site was up for days with people's personal info, alot would be ticked that the site or another site like godaddy for example didn't pull it to stop the breach of security. |
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gatzdon
join:2002-10-25
Lake Zurich, IL | ?
I'm surprised they haven't knocked YouTube offline yet for the Paula Abdul video. |
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Rob
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Re: Question of Authority..
said by Jonbo298  :If it means the security of hundreds/thousands/millions of account names/password, etc...then yes, they have a right IMO. If a big site like Google or Amazon all of a sudden posted a ton of credit card info or any kind of personal info, I'd rather have it yanked immediately in terms of taking site down temporarily until it was removed. Protecting people's security is much more important then a website losing some business. If a site was up for days with people's personal info, alot would be ticked that the site or another site like godaddy for example didn't pull it to stop the breach of security. This situation makes me think of the Spamhaus / e360insight case were the Judge awarded e360insight 11.7 Million dollars for Spamhaus's failure to appear in a U.S. Court (they aren't based in the U.S.). What if other "e360insight" come around and manage to get registrars to start yanking domain names.. it should be up to ICANN.
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Jonbo298
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Council Bluffs, IA | Yes but how long would it take for ICANN to temporarily yank it. I'd imagine a little longer because of having to get a 3rd comapny involved. I could be wrong but just wary when things involve waiting on another company to take action. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by Jonbo298 :If it means the security of hundreds/thousands/millions of account names/password, etc...then yes, they have a right IMO. If a big site like Google or Amazon all of a sudden posted a ton of credit card info or any kind of personal info, I'd rather have it yanked immediately in terms of taking site down temporarily until it was removed. Protecting people's security is much more important then a website losing some business. If a site was up for days with people's personal info, alot would be ticked that the site or another site like godaddy for example didn't pull it to stop the breach of security. I agree. This site's owner, like some others, defends the posting of illegally obtained userids & passwords as a necessary aid in improving security. They sound just like the scum hackers that frequent their sites.
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA | Horray for B-lls
Well Bob Parsons is not one to sit back and go with the flow.
I applaud GoDaddy for taking down the domain name. Federal law would probably protect him. ICAAN will back him.
Even if it was a breach of contract. Good going GoDaddy. |
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PhoenixDown
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| reply to Jonbo298
Re: Question of Authority..
The problem is that these companies are not properly securing the information in the first place... the info has already been compromised and this is more a damage control PR ploy than anything.
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kapil
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Re: Horray for B-lls
What are you smoking?
Parsons is an idiot...for many reasons, chief among them - naming a company Go Daddy!
GoDaddy is the worst ICANN registrar...and that's a shady bunch to begin with. Their saving grace is their low cost...but as they say, you get what you pay for and sometime, especially with GoDaddy, maybe even a little bit less. |
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TScheisskopf
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said by bigjimc :Well Bob Parsons is not one to sit back and go with the flow. I applaud GoDaddy for taking down the domain name. Federal law would probably protect him. ICAAN will back him. Even if it was a breach of contract. Good going GoDaddy. Can you prove your contentions? Was this, in some manner, a violation of ToS with GoDaddy, or are they simply playing Jazz? Can you cite something that buttresses your contention that ICANN would approve of this?
Considering GoDaddy's boiled-down philosophy that you pay to use the domain name, but they own it, none of this is particularly surprising. I would never use them to register anything. |
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Rob
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| reply to Jonbo298
Re: Question of Authority..
said by Jonbo298 :Yes but how long would it take for ICANN to temporarily yank it. I'd imagine a little longer because of having to get a 3rd comapny involved. I could be wrong but just wary when things involve waiting on another company to take action. Who is the 3rd company involved? Myspace should have done directly to ICANN, presented their case, and ICANN would have yanked it. GoDaddy is under the regulation of ICANN.
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jjoshua
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Scotch Plains, NJ | Registrar's responsibilities
The registrar should not be the judge, jury, and executioner.
Let the lawyers sort this one out. |
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pipdipchip
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| reply to Jonbo298
Re: Question of Authority..
said by Jonbo298 :If it means the security of hundreds/thousands/millions of account names/password, etc...then yes, they have a right IMO. We are talking about MySpace passwords. Not bank account passwords or something. Not really a huge deal.
In a perfect should GoDaddy have the right? Maybe. But the fact of the matter is, the domain owner has a right to explain his side of the story. Is posting MySpace passwords illegal? It would be a hard case. If he didn't break the law, what did they do wrong to have their domain taken?
In my opinion, taking a domain (which is property), should be the last last possible option and should be court ordered.
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| yes and think of the intelligence of the people that USE myspace
since it uses your e-mail as your logon i bet thay use the same pass for every thing its not a far leap to try it
some myspace logons and passes got out on 4chans /b/(random) board a bit back and some people on there did some realy not nice stuff like getting in to these peoples e-mail accounts then sending out suicide notes to every one in there address books |
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pokesph
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| RE: GoDaddy Takes SecLists.Org Offline
As a small time domain registrar myself, I'm not sure I would have taken down the domain.. we do follow ICANN rules but I don't think they extend to "at your discretion" removals. In my 4 yrs of selling domains, I think I've removed one domain (it was a phishing site, IIRC) based on them using MY cloaking service (points to my generic addresses..) thus violating our TOS.
In any case, Myspace should have used the legal process or contacted SecLists.Org directly for immediate action.
P.S. NoDaddy (GoDaddy) is a terrible domain name reg.. also very hard to work with from a peer perspective..
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| reply to Rob
Re: Question of Authority..
Go Daddy clearly made a mistake in this case.
It would be an even worse mistake to not allow registrars to yank domains. Such a restriction would be of great benefit to phishers and scammers. We need phishing and scamming domains to be yanked as soon as possible. |
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
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Re: Horray for B-lls
Personal information posting which could be used for identity theft could be considered an act of Terrorism. I am not a lawyer and if anyone else here is and can prove me wrong then fine. Not a bunch of Yahoos spouting prove it.
My contentions are my contentions but I offer this. It is a violation of the TOS because the information posted on the site which the Domain Name resolved to had information that could be used for spamming purposes. Spam is against the law. Something called the Can Spam Act or something. Therefore it is a violation of the GoDaddy TOS.
GoDaddy contacted the owner of the site by email and phone and did not receive a response for an hour. I know it doesn't' sound like a long time but it was an hour. The owner admitted that he got the voice mails when he woke up. Maybe he should have had his phone on and near his bed. The violation of the TOS (as said by GoDaddy) should result in a take down of the Domain Name. The site was still there. The site was still accessible, you just needed the specific IP Address. It's a good thing that he didn't use GoDaddy as a site host or he would have lost the whole site.
I stand behind Bob Parsons' company. I hope they would do it again even if it was one of my site. |
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deepblackmag
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Re: Question of Authority..
Please cite the law which was violated. |
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