nklb
Premium
join:2000-11-17
Ann Arbor, MI
clubs: | Maybe this is what it takes...
Maybe this is what it takes to get faster broadband connections to the masses :-P
Ironic, no?
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | not the upload, that's for sure
how long does it take to upload an HD movie at 384kbps?
I don't even want to think about it.
maybe when FIOS gets more widespread. |
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DoctorWhoFan
@hartic.com
| It's Coming
I once hosted a 25GB+ Doctor Who Torrent. It was really popular because it was the entire 2005 season remastered by `MixMaster`. He took the original digital OTA captures and made MPEG-2 DVD's out of them without ever going to DiVX. He also made really nice menus and extras.
It took me a week to seed the whole thing but literally dozens of people downloaded it AND continued to seed it.
So yes, this size of a torrent is unusual, but it's possible and it's coming. Also remember that this technology infuences the CEA market. If some new DiVX-HD type format becomes popular ( say compress an HD-DVD to fit on a dual-layer DVD ) then you'll see DVD players get invented to play the format. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| BitTorrent
BitTorrent is actually fairly efficient in this scenario. Do the AACS devs not realize that? Almost no "single" person has the necessary bandwidth to transfer 50GB files, but thousands of people do have the cumulative bandwidth necessary  |
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Nightwchtr
join:2001-09-10
Falls Church, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Re: Maybe this is what it takes...
Probably but dont think most people will waste there time on downloading HD movies if the movie industry makes the HDDVD's priced within range. For most it will be to much of a hassle. Atleast that is my .02 on it. But you never know with this industry, they might make a movie a $100.00 so it might be worth trying to download the movies. Me personally wont buy anything until I have a tv to watch it on anyhow, lol. |
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Agent_haito
join:2002-09-20
Winston Salem, NC | reply to nasadude
Re: not the upload, that's for sure
indeed im not waiting 7 days to Download a HD movie, when I can order it from blockbuster for a few bucks and get it in a day. Maybe when we are ALL zipping along on fiber I would think about downloading a HD movie. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
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·AT&T Midwest
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You'll have people who will do the majority of the uploading and be assured, they don't have your typical consumer-grade internet connections. Someone can do the math, but it would probably be *days* at 384k...
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Nightwchtr
join:2001-09-10
Falls Church, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to openbox9
Re: BitTorrent
This is true but more and more ISP's are shutting down this type of traffic. It will interesting to see which way internet will go, whether or not the industries can get ISP's to help them or if the ISP's will tell them to go away and get a lawyer. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| Damn them....
That sucks... I was gonna download some HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray movies but if they're telling me my connection is too slow, I guess I won't. 
By the way, the BBC News article mentions the high cost of writable media. Hmmmm, I guess people will just have to store the file(s) on their HDD vs burning them to disc. You can do that, can't you ?? Golly-gee, someday we might even be able to connect our PCs to our home-theatre setups and watch them on a big-screen with DD5.1 audio.
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Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
Premium
join:2002-09-23 | reply to nasadude
Re: not the upload, that's for sure
First it was porn as the driving force in tech development.
Now, it's piracy.
What is this Net coming to?
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pende_tim
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Andover, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | Stop FIOS
How long until the **AA lawyers come up with a cocked hat lawsuit to stop Verizon (and others) form deploying FTTH because it "facilitates" piracy?
I would not put it past these arrogant, money grubbing, Shylock losers.
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Nightwchtr
join:2001-09-10
Falls Church, VA | reply to Hall
Re: Damn them....
Hall the PC to home-theatre has come along time ago :-D |
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RobinK
join:2004-04-16
Canada
| Won't stop anyone
Size does not matter to the hardcore leecher. With larger HDDs, it is just a matter of leaving the comp on for a few days to get what you want.
People like me, who never turn off their computer, will have no problem with huge downloads. I have a 3mbit/640kbit connection and do 300GB+ of transfers a month (more upload than download). Mostly anime and seeding torrents as large at 10GB+ on BT. So downloading a HD movie would be nothing for me.
Those who want it will just leave their computer on. Or resume the next time they turn it on. But of course I agree it is easier to just go out and buy it. Especially if you are downloading a re-encoded version. That way you won't terrible quality (They are bad enough right now, no way I would want to download a huge video with worse quality).
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Martindziad
Premium
join:2002-04-04
Chicago, IL
clubs:
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Re: not the upload, that's for sure
That's only for the kiddies if you know where to get your stuff well then you have nothing to worry about. Bit torrent is like the first portal now to piracy, but there has always been the news way  and you get full speed from those babes;) |
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to Hall
Re: Damn them....
Sure, compress them down to WMV-HD (VC1) or something else and start seeding. Store them on your PC, throw on a uPnP server and/or transcoder and stream them to your Xbox360.
PS- I don't want to hear whining about lossy compression. JPEG/MPEG2/MPEG3/DiVX has shown that we are all willing to compress for the sake of size. |
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Porn Lord
@bell.ca
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dadkins 
| reply to Shamayim
Re: not the upload, that's for sure
You just answered your own question.
The piracy of HD Porn baby !!!!!!!
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
4 edits | its possible
Disclaimer:This post contains illegal activities if carried out, do at your own risk, not responsible for your actions, you may goto jail
University ethernet connections. 25mbits up, 60mbits down. Or FIOS or Cablevision (NYC area cable co), or better pray some other cable co releases NARAD. What I'm VERY worried about it, that release groups wont publish complete BD/HD DVD images/files but "cut downs" and "repacks" that are butchers of everything except main movie (no extras) and re-encoded to lower bitrates or less quality codecs (divx/xvid) making them just above regular DVD in quality. There is no point to download a DVD image over a regular 700mb divx unless the DVD has DVD features (subtitles, extras, extra audio). Plus the whole justification release groups use to justify striping the discs is that they "cant be burned to consumer recordable discs". Now if certain ISPs stopped ridiculously low upload rates (TWC), on TWC 8/512 premium, it would take me 5 days to get my share ratio to 1 for a HDDVD, for 1200kbps real world it would take 2 days. Its similar to trying to download a divx over dialup, its possible, and people who want it can do it, take 2-3 days to do a CD of data on dialup. Its true that there is a serious bandwidth problem, but its not going to change anyone's behaviours.
EDIT, another idea i have is, but ive never tried it and IDK if hosting companies will allow torrent in TOS/real world, rent a Virtual Private Server with 10megabit line, or a nice multi hundred gigabyte bandwidth bucket, install a command line torrent client, and basically have the VPS download the torrent, and be able to share at 2-15mbps and get a good share ratio, and when the file is done/share ratio goes to what you want it, you turn off seeding to have all upload bandwidth of VPS for yourself (for your download), and download it over FTP at line speed of the server, since you probably have a 3-6mbps DSL or a 3-10mbps cable modem, it should take atmost 1/2 a day to download from the VPS to your machine.
EDIT, another more evil thing and much more illegal thing to do is, set up a couple Yagi/cantennas plugged into high quality/high receiver sensitivity/high transmit power (basically Engenius brand) USB wifi dongles all over your house facing out all you windows towards all the open APs in your neighborhood. The reason you use USB is so you dont get any loss from Coax cable, USB cable has no loss since its digital, you can use 15 foot passive extension cords on USB and also hubs to add another 15 feet. You have the torrent program use multiple internet connections, but writing to the same file, plus if there arent enough open APs, you can try hacking them and cracking WEP or dictionary attack WPA maybe, and once you pull that off, set up some port forwarding for yourself on each router, also a uncapped/debug FW enabled cable modem would work well (2mbit upload atleast usually). More unrealistic hack for bandwidth would be to hack into a Govt Satellites/Iridium/Wildblue/DoD and get internet through satellites in outer space (latency sucks, but bandwidth is probably very high and that is good) .
Sneak into corporate buildings and office buildings with a Linksys NSLU2 NAS unit flashed with Linux into the dropped ceiling and splice into a power or light junction box for AC and install a small ethernet switch, and cut a random Cat5 you see, plug into switch, plug NAS into switch, and continuing Cat5, illegally installed and placed "co-located" server. Use UDP hole punching to get through firewall or have NAS report to a IRC chatroom or something, also remember to watch where you connect to the illegally placed NAS from, net admins may notice, and track who connects to the NAS or what communication happens to the NAS, so use anonymous wifi to download (use mcdonalds for anonymous legal wifi, or pay for a hotspot with a prepaid anonymous CC), or you can retrieve the NAS once its filled up with BD/HD DVD. If you have the balls to do this, well what can I say, your going to prison.
EDIT, Im going to leave tapping into long line Fiber Optic lines out or cutting into a private fiber line near your house/somewhere, since you need help from psychiatrist and meds for bandwidth addiction. |
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Vathral
Premium
join:2002-08-26
New York, NY
clubs: | They should'nt worry
Since all the movie suck, who would download them anyways  |
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Vamp
5c077
Premium
join:2003-01-28
MD
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Hall
Re: not the upload, that's for sure
said by Hall :You'll have people who will do the majority of the uploading and be assured, they don't have your typical consumer-grade internet connections. Someone can do the math, but it would probably be *days* at 384k... Actually if you look at the upload stats.. Most of the sources are uploading at over 100KB/s.
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
Premium
join:2000-03-14
Aubrey, TX | hahah
LMAO. Is that like a challenge to the pirating community?
Stupid. |
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