raye
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| A warrant is not needed?
Seems to me if there is evidence of terrorist communication in a specific band of IP addresses, obtaining a warrant would not be a problem if I am a U.S. citizen. Even if I am not, getting a warrant should be trivial. Not getting one is just plain lazy, to say the least |
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MysticGogeta
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| Of corse its illegal do they care? No.
They only do what most of us would do. Because its their job and they get paid just like every one else. Is it wrong? Yes but I believe sometimes its necessary to do things to prevent a terrorist or a psychotic killer or a sexual predator from running loose on the internet.
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Spiral
No Easy Way To Be Free.
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join:2003-03-04
Baltimore, MD | Great Opportunity for Lawyers
Step 1. File Freedom of Information requests and find all the data that has been collected without a warrant.
Step 2. File class action lawsuits on behalf of those whose privacy was wrongly violated.
Step 3. Repeat Steps 1 & 2. |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
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Look at your Cell Phone...
Most of us carry an open mic for the FBI -- right in our shirt pockets. Turning on your cell phone remotely is trivial -- and AT&T has given the feds carte-blanche to do it anytime. 1984 was 20 years late. »news.com.com/2100-1029-6140191.html
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TKJunkMail
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Re: A warrant is not needed?
said by raye  :Seems to me if there is evidence of terrorist communication in a specific band of IP addresses, obtaining a warrant would not be a problem if I am a U.S. citizen. Even if I am not, getting a warrant should be trivial. Not getting one is just plain lazy, to say the least They got the warrant and the collection is under court supervision:
It's employed when police have obtained a court order and an Internet service provider can't "isolate the particular person or IP address" because of technical constraints.
"In the event the intercepted communication is in a code or foreign language, and an expert in that foreign language or code is not reasonably available during the interception period, minimization may be accomplished as soon as practicable after such interception."
Downing, the assistant deputy chief at the Justice Department's computer crime section, pointed to that language on Friday. Because digital communications amount to a foreign language or code, he said, federal agents are legally permitted to record everything and sort through it later.
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Cod
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Re: Look at your Cell Phone...
said by ronpin :Most of us carry an open mic for the FBI -- right in our shirt pockets. Turning on your cell phone remotely is trivial -- and AT&T has given the feds carte-blanche to do it anytime. 1984 was 20 years late. » news.com.com/2100-1029-6140191.html Your quoted article mentions nothing of at&t but instead Nextel and the first sentence says "and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials". How does at&t have anything to do with this? |
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RadioDoc
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Re: Great Opportunity for Lawyers
Step 1: Denied.
Step 2: Dismissed.
Step 3: Whine.
You have no case. |
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nixen
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said by Spiral :Step 1. File Freedom of Information requests and find all the data that has been collected without a warrant. Step 2. File class action lawsuits on behalf of those whose privacy was wrongly violated. Step 3. Repeat Steps 1 & 2. Step 1b, quash on grounds of "national security".
Next...
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@bell.ca | They are doing it for you
The government know what's good for you PEOPLE.All they want is to protect you from these vile and evil terrorists.
Freedom and liberty through vigilance and preemption
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Mchart
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Gurnee, IL | reply to nixen
Re: Great Opportunity for Lawyers
War is Peace
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Ignorance is Strength |
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nixen
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| said by Mchart :War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength Orwell was an optimist.
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operagost
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Orwell is more inappropriately invoked than Ayn Rand. |
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Mchart
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| said by operagost :Orwell is more inappropriately invoked than Ayn Rand. People that are unable to draw parallels between past and present exsist in higher numbers. |
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Spiral
No Easy Way To Be Free.
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said by nixen :said by Spiral : Step 1b, quash on grounds of "national security". You're probably right that they will bring up "national security", but a reasonable judge might listen to an argument pointing out that not all that confiscated data is of national security interest...release only that. And show some cause as to why you are withholding the rest. |
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Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
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Re: Of corse its illegal do they care? No.
said by MysticGogeta :They only do what most of us would do. Because its their job and they get paid just like every one else. Is it wrong? Yes but I believe sometimes its necessary to do things to prevent a terrorist or a psychotic killer or a sexual predator from running loose on the internet. FYI the FBI is setting a precedent..
Today they use it on to prevent a terrorist or a psychotic killer or a sexual predator from running loose on the internet; but tomorrow it's to arrest your ass because they don't like what you put/look at on the internet.
IMO who cares what congress thinks (their job is to listen to the uninformed public, and let the FBI continue privacy invasion)... This should be brought before the Supreme court so they can put the FBI back in their place...
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BIGMIKE
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Re: Look at your Cell Phone...
said by ronpin :Most of us carry an open mic for the FBI -- right in our shirt pockets. Turning on your cell phone remotely is trivial -- and AT&T has given the feds carte-blanche to do it anytime. 1984 was 20 years late. » news.com.com/2100-1029-6140191.html
Who's buying cell phone records online? Cops
Net sellers tell Congress they supply law enforcement officials with call lists »www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12534959/
Looking For Cell Records?
»www.locatecell.com/
Missouri Attorney General Jay Nixon has obtained a court order to prevent an Internet business and its owners from offering to sell the records of cell phone customers in Missouri.
»www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2···ell.html
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Carnivore was more of a buckshot catcher. Specificity? not really. |
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Michieru2
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Miami, FL | ?
You mean the FBI is using ettercap? |
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