inurenegade
join:2006-06-11
Wilmington, DE | You smell that?
it smells like BS to me! |
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ofacesig
join:2007-01-23
Carrollton, TX
 ·Verizon FIOS
|  beeee sssssss
This guy is the puppet of the Telcos and cable companies. The internet is what it is because it's a free uninhibited medium. We all bought "unlimited" internet access because that what was sold to us. If the Telcos and the cable firms have their way we will be paying more for our connections and they will charge google and yahoo and the like for the services they render to us for free. I used to work for BellSouth in management. I know exactly how they think. |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | Butt ummm Butt ummm Butt ummmm
ATT is Evil |
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amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
clubs:
| hogwash
that's the biggest load of crap I've heard in awhile.
backbone upgrades should be a normal part of progress, just because people actually use what is available does not = crisis, it means that there are finally services which utilize it for what it's actually worth. welcome to 2007 people, this isn't your grandpa's internet with puny text files and a few jpegs floating around. |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Yeah.
I have friends that work for Deloitte. I grew up with these guys. I know how full of shit they are. Deloitte is a consulting company...and here's what I think of consultants:
»despair.com/consulting.html |
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woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
 ·EarthLink
·DSL EXTREME
| Nice link/site, I have their calendar on the wall in my classroom, the students get it, the other teacher don't.... 
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ | This year?
"The traffic on many Internet backbones could slow to a crawl this year." Guess they haven't noticed what's going on in Brooklyn (and spreading) for the last 4 months. |
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Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| reply to amungus
Re: hogwash
OUch man. How old are you? At 34 I am hardly a grandpa, but Yes i do remember 300 buad modems  STOP MAKING ME FEEL OLD!!!!!
The text thing did not hurt so bad but the jpeg thing stuck home HARD. |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| STFU
Deloitte has no clue how the ISP business works.
If End User is not getting bandwidth he expects from his pipe, he will complain to his ISP. If ISP is oversold he will get another pipe to upstream provider. If upstream provider is running short on capacity, he will add capacity to the backbone. If backbone is getting congested the backbone provider will add additional pipes to peering partners.
If the providers don't add capacity they will lose business to someone who will.
There is not going to be some Fios-like expansion campaign where the upstream providers and backbones go on a building spree (they did that in the 90's) ....the growth is going to be more organic.
The capacity is added constantly as needed and will continue to be added as needed. Backbone providers are sitting on more dark fiber than God and it can be lit when the need arises.
The more serious problem will occur when the machines that route the traffic become inefficient at handling such large amounts of traffic...but I have faith in cisco, redback, juniper, nortel...they will just dream up ever more powerful routers.
Reports pertaining to technical issues shouldn't be written by bean-counters that need help signing on to AOL or can't get on the Interweb without a call to their helpful IT person at work. |
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CostContainment
@rcn.com
| Carriers are integrating for cost containment
Level 3 for instance took over Savvis and Broadwing and Looking Glass. It is not expanding but rather is integrating for cheaper costs at this point in time. Level 3 has to get back to expanding capacity HOWEVER Level 3 is the perfect example of a carrier which Deloitte & Touche is talking about because in 2007 if they think they can integrate and not expand they are DEAD WRONG.
Carriers have literally stopped fiber pipes dead in their tracks in terms of construction for many of them and instead are focusing on mergers and cost containment. |
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | GAH!
When is Google launching their unlimited backbone with no fees : ) |
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dslextreme
Premium,VIP
join:2001-02-23
Canoga Park, CA
| Network providers sell bandwidth
Why would they want to control supply and limit investment?
Simple, if you limit supply in a growing demand market, prices will skyrocket. Can you say Enron?
This is just a political ploy against net neutrality and market control at it's worst. All the telecom mergers streamlined by the FCC are are now working at full value. |
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mAlfunkti0n
join:2003-12-16
Loveland, OH
·Cincinnati Bell
| reply to kapil
Re: STFU
I couldn't agree more.
Reminds me of the sales people in my last job. They knew everything and were really just asking IT those questions to make sure we were on our toes.  |
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phxmark
What Country Are We Living In?
join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ
| reply to kapil
Re: Yeah.
said by kapil  :I have friends that work for Deloitte. I grew up with these guys. I know how full of shit they are. Deloitte is a consulting company...and here's what I think of consultants: » despair.com/consulting.html I thought it was Toilet-Douche. 
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
1 edit | Turnabout
Sounds like the same type of overblown hysteria, except in reverse, that the net neutrality proponents have been spouting for the last year or so. And it's just about as valid. |
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amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
clubs:
| reply to Freezone
Re: hogwash
heh, sorry Freezone  ...it was a really dumb joke... meant mostly that older folks who get on the intarweb are likely not doing much other than reading and maybe viewing a few pictures etc... not that they wouldn't love some youtube or whatever, just that they're less likely to be on the bleeding edge of technology...
I'm about 7 years younger than yourself. Been on BBR here since about when you signed up, but only registered a few years back. Back then, DSL had just shown up in town (supposedly this little town was one of the 1st in the country to get residential ADSL...) and some friends had it. We about soiled ourselves when we saw that old thermometer looking speed test showing that we were getting 1.54Mbps as advertised, about a mile from the CO. |
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dscline
join:2001-09-01
Atlanta, GA | Some secret new technology?
I haven't made it past the first sentence. I'm still trying to figure out how traffic can exceed capacity.  |
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fcisler
Premium
join:2004-06-14
Riverhead, NY
| reply to CostContainment
Re: Carriers are integrating for cost containment
"Carriers have literally stopped fiber pipes dead in their tracks in terms of construction for many of them and instead are focusing on mergers and cost containment."
Hi there....anonymous....ummm build anything? Don't think so!
Ever hear of DWDM?
Let me post a link: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DWDM
Read it over. Don't understand it (it's ok - im sure you anonymous for a reason), and talk some more.
In the mean time, let me provide another article....notice the date.... Apr 24, 2000. Old...isn't it? Look over the article.
»telephonyonline.com/mag/telecom_···avestar/
Plus, the 800G can use interleaving - a wave-packing technology - to combine the 320 wavelengths to provide 80 channels at 10 Gb/s.
800Gb/s. And again, that's several years old. I coulden't find anything recent, but with DWDM - any existing carrier can double, quadruple, etc their bandwidth easily. |
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nekote
join:2000-12-16
Hopkinton, MA
| WSJ also full of BS?
I'm a bit dissapointed with DSLReports / BBR.
I submitted a copy of a Wall Street Journal article entitled "The Coming Exaflood" posted on 1/20/07, written by Bret Swanson as a likely News piece of interest to this forum.
Dunno' if copyright issues were a gating factor.
The issue of bandwidth - and the attendant hand wringing about "net neutrality" - discussed the current success of YouTube and likely high demand for more video on demand via the Internet.
Thus causing an "Exa-Flood" of digital bandwidth demand.
At those levels of bandwidth usage, I guess it maybe time to grow up from the one price for everybody service plans to plans that factor in some pricing per GB?
Else, pay for it via the advertising / commercials / user's time to view ads model?
Double and triple the price of single pricing plans for everybody?
Who and how does additional bandwidth capacity get paid for?
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| reply to CostContainment
Re: Carriers are integrating for cost containment
said by CostContainment :
Carriers have literally stopped fiber pipes dead in their tracks in terms of construction for many of them and instead are focusing on mergers and cost containment.
You can thank your friendly neighborhood neocon for that. The "free market will cure AIDS and make you a milkshake" people who were all for mega telecom mergers are the root cause of why everyone except the ILECs and the old world IXCs like Sprint have no choice but to merge and consoldidate in order to survive.
The Government, in a rare moment of lucidity, acted in a pro-competition, pro-consumer fashion by enacting the telecom act of 1996. Despite all its flaws that law allowed us to be unshackled from ILECs, gave us choice and ushered in a new era of innovation.
Had the government fixed the bad part of the law instead of rolling it back piecemeal, the consumers would be better off and the economy would be better off...and our country would be better off because we'd have a better communications infrastructure.
Instead, we have AT&T and Verizon.
Tell me, what choice do you have today for POTS where you live? I don't mean VoIP or wireless. I mean POTS. AT&T or Verizon (or if you live in a handful of smaller markets, another ILEC) What happened to all the companies that were offering dial tone in late 90's?
Thanks to the idiots in Congress, the Republicans and the FCC, we have rolled back the state of communications infrastructure in this country by 20 10 years! No wonder places like Korea and Singapore are kicking our ass....along with the traditional places that have always kicked our ass like Japan. |
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