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Comments on news posted 2007-02-01 09:11:58: The official BitTorrent video store should launch within weeks, after it took the company a while to sign the needed distribution deals. The company claims the service will be a "lifestyle product" (whatever that means), and the store will launch.. ..

davisx

join:2005-01-06

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Pay for this?

Here's a question, if I have to actually pay for content from this website, why the heck would i want to be uploading anything?

SSX4life
Hello World
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join:2004-02-13
kudos:3

Re: Pay for this?

To reduce the cost of bandwidth they have to charge for the product!

They could also offer incentives such as upload X amount and receive a free copy of a movie or equiviliant. Reduced bandwidth costs (or little to none at all) means reduced prices on media

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Dodge
Premium
join:2002-11-27

1 recommendation

Re: Pay for this?

And when your account gets capped or terminated for "excessive" uploading will they help you resolve the situation?

jon EE

@gmu.edu

Re: Pay for this?

No, of course not. That is a trade off. A Good torrent client let you cap anything from maximum uploaded, to maximum rate for uploading.

And not everyone has a max data ul/dl cap. I don't have that much of a high speed internet, but I can upload all day long and they won't say boo.

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
said by Dodge:

And when your account gets capped or terminated for "excessive" uploading will they help you resolve the situation?
Get off Cablevision, they are crooks.
Dodge
Premium
join:2002-11-27

Re: Pay for this?

And verizon cannot provide DSL here due to digital-loop, so by your suggestion I should go to dial-up?
peerimpact

join:2005-11-07
Londonderry, VT

Re: Pay for this?

Peer Impact already gives users a system credit for uploading.

»www.peerimpact.com

thender2
Glamour Profession
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join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
said by batterup:

said by Dodge:

And when your account gets capped or terminated for "excessive" uploading will they help you resolve the situation?
Get off Cablevision, they are crooks.
Agreed.

Cablevision is like the PSU that rates itself at 25c.

The PSU that is 700 watts at 25c, will go down to unstable 350 at 50c, which is a realistic temperature.

Cablevision's 10/1 or 15/2 or 20/5 or whatever silliness they try to run on their awful network gets dropped down when you actually use the connection they give you. They're not ready for the next generation of content.
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FFH5
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Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

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said by davisx:

Here's a question, if I have to actually pay for content from this website, why the heck would i want to be uploading anything?
They are trying to reduce their bandwidth costs at the expense of the ISP's bandwidth costs. I think they would lose in court claiming discrimination for blocking bittorent if the ISP blocks the whole protocol for all sites and not just specific ones. Of course, net neutrality could alter that equation if it ever passes. But personally I believe that an ISP can block a protocol and not a site and stay out of legal trouble.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ

Re: Pay for this?

said by FFH5:

They are trying to reduce their bandwidth costs at the expense of the ISP's bandwidth costs. ... Of course, net neutrality could alter that equation if it ever passes.
The builders of the network are risking billions of share holder dollars. There is no way they will permit leaches to suck them dry. Pass laws that prevent network providers from making a sufficient return on investment and the investment will stop.
wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH

Re: Pay for this?

said by batterup:

Pass laws that prevent network providers from making a sufficient return on investment and the investment will stop.
Define sufficient, and compare that to their earnings statements. All the more reason to go Muni. break-even is good enough.

puritan

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Netcong, NJ

Re: Pay for this?

said by wentlanc:

All the more reason to go Muni. break-even is good enough.

puritan
I don't want to pay higher taxes so kiddies can download porn.
wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH

Re: Pay for this?

Even if you are paying less that you are now... Good justification.

Which telco are you invested in?

puritan

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ

Re: Pay for this?

said by wentlanc:

Even if you are paying less that you are now... Good justification.

Which telco are you invested in?

puritan
I have some Verizon stock I bought at $60, I'll sell it to you for $50.
wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH

Re: Pay for this?

Tempting offer! I'll have to pass though.

I've recently given up throwing money away.


batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ

Pimple popper's warez v. video conferencing.

Net Neutrality demands that children downloading warez have the same priority as a company doing video conferencing.
wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH

Re: Pimple popper's warez v. video conferencing.

Yep. What's the problem?

Do you also feel that black people should not be permitted in schools because they "may cause" conflicts in school?

Racist...

puritan

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ

Re: Pimple popper's warez v. video conferencing.

said by wentlanc:

Yep. What's the problem?

Do you also feel that black people should not be permitted in schools because they "may cause" conflicts in school?

Racist...

puritan
You are right of course; we all should subsidise your porn downloads.
wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH

Re: Pimple popper's warez v. video conferencing.

Nope... don't download porn, and don't use P2P.... next feeble attempt please.

puritan

brandon
Some truth included in this post.
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join:2003-03-31
Hurley, MS
said by wentlanc:

Yep. What's the problem?

Do you also feel that black people should not be permitted in schools because they "may cause" conflicts in school?

Racist...

puritan
Do you have previous posts tying him at ALL to racism? Otherwise, that most DEFINITELY comes off as YOU being racist, not him.

My opinion on net neutrality agrees with you, however.
wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH

Re: Pimple popper's warez v. video conferencing.

It was an analogy. Comparing two unrelated, yet similar things to prove a point. I don't think he is a racist at all, but the logic displayed by many here is inherently flawed. All too often do we hear bullshit comparisons that have no merit to the subject at hand. So I thought I'd try my hat at making a good comparison that is relevant.

puritan

AnonDOG

@kaballero.com

Re: Pimple popper's warez v. video conferencing.

quote:
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but the logic displayed by many here is inherently flawed. All too often do we hear bullshit comparisons that have no merit to the subject at hand. So I thought I'd try my hat at making a good comparison that is relevant.
...

It is a shame you failed so miserably then. Lets have a look at your analogy, shall we? He asserts:

quote:

Net Neutrality demands that children downloading warez have the same priority as a company doing video conferencing.


His assertion says that net neutrality demands that children doing something illegal would receive treatment equal to a company which is legally compliant.

You assert that your analogy is better than most of the analogies you find here because many of us have inherently flawed logic. But then you make an analogy which does not map well to his comment. Thus:

quote:

Do you also feel that black people should not be permitted in schools because they "may cause" conflicts in school?


You appear to make the mistaken assumption that black people are "children" or that black people are doing something "illegal". It seems that white people, or any other people are your analogical paring for "companies" and that you somehow equate "school" with the Internet.

In fact this is not an analogy, it is a red herring.
red herring: A fallacy that introduces an irrelevant issue to divert attention from the subject under discussion.


And finally you label him a Racist...
quote:

Racist...


When called upon it you deny your assertion and insult "many" of the users on the forum for their "faulty" logic.

It seems to me that your analogy fails spectacularly.

jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL

Lawyers are circling...

The real question is whether or not BT will have grounds to sue for interference with business practices. It's one thing when it's an open source, headless monster as many of the P2P apps started out, but it's another thing entirely to interfere with another company's right to transact business with their customers.

jap
Premium
join:2003-08-10
038xx

Re: Lawyers are circling...

said by jester121:

The real question is whether or not BT will have grounds to sue for interference with business practices.
The thing is BT-Official is assisting content providers in externalizing cost to the enduser. Due to the billing structure (and network designs) of flat-feeing user accounts the ISPs lose too. I think that gives ISPs, posing as defending their users, a good argument. Hopefully ISPs will respond with moving to measured service (rather than litigation) which ought to of happened long ago ... and has to happen sooner or later.

Any shared & limited resource system has to be cost-regulated by whomever makes consumption decisions. That's us. It's a tough feeling nut only because we've been awash in excess bandwidth from the generous runs of fiber buried in the late 1990s coupled with ISPs competing for market share. Both of those factors are diminishing.

dslextreme2
Premium
join:2001-02-23
Canoga Park, CA

Should they have been throttling to begin with?

Should they have been throttling to begin with?

It was a network neutrality question a year ago.

charterengr
Premium,VIP
join:2002-03-09
Englewood, CO

AUP

AUP's play a role here too.

BodyBumper

join:2004-06-21
Beverly Hills, CA

Hmmm

I refuse to pay for usenet and I will NEVER pay for this non-sense.
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