Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
2 edits | Go figure...
BT was bound to lose this one. If nothing else, it's always been easy to detect BT traffic just because of all the connections it makes.
The big question I have:
Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle?
In the good ol' USofA we need to get some Net Neutrality laws on the books so if my Charter ever decides to pull something like this I can whoop their @ss in court.
They should really be calling it "filtered" Internet access. |
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thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| Good job at alienating any potential customers.
a) Good job wasting money on all of the hardware to do this.. how about using it to make a network that doesn't suck?
Before anyone responds - does anyone in their right mind think an ISP that throttles all bittorrent traffic, not just JAMITALLTHEWAYUPMYASSXXX.avi, is not bad?
b) The more they fight this, the more publicity they receive as a weakass ISP. Do I want to signup for the ISP that doesn't care what I do, or for the one that limits, caps, or downright stops me from using legitimate services just because that would mean I'm using my connection?
Like the AT&T with the 100 GB/month cap, or OOL with their random capping, I'm sure Rogers has some stupid silly high bandwidth connection to flash on banner ads, commercials, and brochures to make up for their crippled network, and people won't leave until they find out the hard way.
Rogers is a scam..
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Xec
join:2005-05-30
Canada
1 edit | SecureIX doing the job for now...
It's a pain having to login into secureix just for BT and logout (kinda gave that up after the 56k days) but it gives decent 80-200KB/s speeds enough for my needs. If it weren't for rogers low pings I would of switched to bell. |
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LaZ3R
Premium
join:2003-01-17
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Yes...
Rogers is a scam, but they're also a f***ing monopoly, what the hell other choice to the majority of Canadians who want internet access have to resort to?
There's so little option to choose from, and especially in my area where I either have Bell, or Rogers and that's it.
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The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Execulink
| said by LaZ3R  :Rogers is a scam, but they're also a f***ing monopoly, what the hell other choice to the majority of Canadians who want internet access have to resort to? There's so little option to choose from, and especially in my area where I either have Bell, or Rogers and that's it. 3rd party DSL companies? |
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Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan
| reply to LaZ3R
said by LaZ3R :Rogers is a scam, but they're also a f***ing monopoly, what the hell other choice to the majority of Canadians who want internet access have to resort to? There's so little option to choose from, and especially in my area where I either have Bell, or Rogers and that's it. I'm sure the a$$holes at CISCO are loving every bit of this. ISP's are stupid enough to dish out large amounts of money to restrict customers connection using "new" hardware. All while Cisco gets rich selling and promoting a restricted internet working on Cisco hardware.
LOSERS!
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Endgame
Your member at work
Premium
join:2005-07-07
USA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to thender2
Re: Good job at alienating any potential customers.
Yeah teach them a lesson by going with somebody else that doesn't throttle or cap you to death! 
I care because there will now be less seeders out there and my download speeds will probably suffer even more cause of this crap!
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
| reply to Jerm
Re: Go figure...
said by Jerm :BT was bound to lose this one. If nothing else, it's always been easy to detect BT traffic just because of all the connections it makes. The big question I have: Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle? In the good ol' USofA we need to get some Net Neutrality laws on the books so if my Charter ever decides to pull something like this I can whoop their @ss in court. They should really be calling it "filtered" Internet access. Net neutrality will not stop ISP's from blocking protocols. Net neutrality laws will only apply to discrimination "by site or company". If a protocol block is applied evenly to all companies it will pass legal muster. But feel free to sue away. I hope you are very rich in order to pay the lawyer.
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to thender2
Re: Good job at alienating any potential customers.
said by thender2 :Like the AT&T with the 100 GB/month cap... Whoa! I haven't hit any cap with my AT&T DSL line.
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Foxbat121
join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA
| reply to Warez_Zealot
Re: Yes...
said by Warez_Zealot :ISP's are stupid enough to dish out large amounts of money to restrict customers connection using "new" hardware. All while Cisco gets rich selling and promoting a restricted internet working on Cisco hardware. LOSERS! It is still much cheaper than to increase ISP's backbone bandwidth in order to handle all the traffic they oversold to begin with. That's the real reason why ISPs are doing this. |
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thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| reply to NormanS
Re: Good job at alienating any potential customers.
said by NormanS :said by thender2 :Like the AT&T with the 100 GB/month cap... Whoa! I haven't hit any cap with my AT&T DSL line. This is for some fiber initiative of theirs.
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thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY |  reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Go figure...
Another TCH anti-fair post.  |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| time for something new
Its time for steganograph and auto updating in BT, if everything looks like a AIM Direct IM or Voip call or Youtube request, or web browsing or email (POP3) The moment you wrap a jpg header around it, they cant touch it without disabling your entire browser, and then they arent selling anything. Just scrambling the data so it doesnt make sense doesnt work anymore, since most people use "known" protocols. |
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TigerLord
Resident Pentaxian
Premium,Mod
join:2002-06-09
Montreal
·Videotron
Host:
International Broa..
Videotron
| reply to Anon
Re: Go figure...
said by thender2 :said by Jerm :Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle? Very simple. Canada > US Canada > * Fixed it for ya ! |
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biobob
join:2003-09-04
Bayside, NY
| reply to Foxbat121
Re: Yes...
said by Foxbat121 :said by Warez_Zealot : It is still much cheaper than to increase ISP's backbone bandwidth in order to handle all the traffic they oversold to begin with. That's the real reason why ISPs are doing this. This is pretty true. Also, BT is a pretty nasty protocol in the way it will pretty much not limit itself, and take up a whole pipe. It seems like the ISP's wouldn't be able to keep up with BT traffic no matter how much they upgraded their pipes. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA | reply to thender2
Re: Good job at alienating any potential customers.
Pronto? LightSpeed? U-Verse? |
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dslextreme
Premium,VIP
join:2001-02-23
Canoga Park, CA | Can we get some net-neutrality now?
I know this is Canada... but here is a real world example. |
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RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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·XMission
| reply to thender2
Re: Go figure...
said by thender2 :Another TCH anti-fair post. Yeah, but for once he is totally right in what he stated. (unless you posted on the wrong post of his)
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| reply to patcat88
Re: time for something new
said by patcat88 :The moment you wrap a jpg header around it, they cant touch it without disabling your entire browser, and then they arent selling anything. No, they can still easily take care of it because:
a. BT looks and acts like BT no matter what you wrap it in.
b. They don't have to block BT to take care of it all they have to do is throttle it and if they throttle it the right amount you likely won't notice much of an impact in 90% of the other stuff that uses most peoples connections.
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