  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | iTunes and all DRM? Is he suggesting everyone stop buying digital music with DRM and instead buy DRM free CD's?
How else do you "suggest" to the music companies we don't want DRM?
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| | He speaks much sense! But I am not sure I believe his altruistic message.
Its not us so blame someone else! | |
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Tallahassee, FL | Re: He speaks much sense! said by Cozworth:But I am not sure I believe his altruistic message. Its not us so blame someone else! That's how I see it. He's trying to appeal to those who are not happy about the DRM issue, while shifting blame elsewhere.
It's better than anything we'll get out of Bill Gates.
It is worth mentioning that Linux may one day contain DRM. Linus has already noted he rejects any efforts to stop DRM from being on Linux. But that's a whole nother story.
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Tallahassee, FL | Re: He speaks much sense! Sure did. | |
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North Babylon, NY | Go for it Just do it and ignore the corporate fat cats. | |
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|  Dream KillerGraveyard ShiftPremium
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Forest Hills, NY | Re: Go for it The record industry and personal computing industry should be totally separate. I still think Gates and Jobs should just ignore their complaint and just build great non-DRM infested OSes. | |
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said by Dream Killer:I still think Gates and Jobs should just ignore their complaint and just build great non-DRM infested OSes. Well, not sure I can classify it as DRM, but the only "protection" that OSX has is that it will only install on a genuine Mac. It won't officially install on a generic Intel/AMD box, although there are "unofficial" ways around it. Unlike XP/Vista, however, you can burn as many copies of OSX DVD and load it on as many Macs as you desire.
That, however, is pointless today, since if you buy an Intel Mac, it comes with the latest version of Tiger anyway, and if you bought it a while earlier, all minor upgrades (i.e. 10.4.x) are free. It would be interesting to see if Apple will put any protection in their next major release (Leopard), which they will charge for.
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Forest Hills, NY | Re: Go for it I meant for music only, not software. | |
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Dallas, TX | Maybe he should court EMI first Not only does EMI hold the rights to a lot of artists
not on iTunes (I think the Beatles are one), but it is
the only one of the Big Four that have even considered
abandoning DRM, whether on digital downloads or CDs.
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RIAA vs poor college student or struggling mother was always obvious. I'd like to see Microsoft, or Apple take on the RIAA and win. | |
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However, you can't compare Apple to the RIAA. Apple is the guy who looked at your girlfriend just to catch a glance then looked back down, whereas the RIAA fucked your girlfriend, who then fucked you and consequently gave you AIDS.
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kudos:1 | Re: Apple vs RIAA Great analogy, but if I may, I would add to it:
"Apple is the guy who looked at your girlfriend just to catch a glance then looked back down, whereas the RIAA fucked raped your girlfriend, and didn't tell anyone he had AIDS who then fucked you and consequently gave you AIDS.
And herpes too, ya gotta add herpes....
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| | Jobs Trying to Avoid a losing court battle! From the WSJ article:
Such a move, if embraced by music companies, could eliminate one of the biggest criticisms of Apple's current hold on the digital music market -- that music sold over the Internet by most of Apple's rivals doesn't play on iPods, while songs from Apple's iTunes Store don't play on rival hardware devices.
»online.wsj.com/article/SB1170792···929.html
I recall there being lawsuits already alleging monopoly by Apple due to the above. Hope the record companies take Jobs advice though. | |
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| I don't get the move Unless it's just fluff for PR purposes.
-FairPlay forces people to use iPods to play iTunes store music
-Apple is the only company that makes iPods
Therefore DRM forcing people to buy iPods would be good from Apple's perspective hence this move by Jobs to say that eliminating DRM is a good thing doesn't make any sense.
Now, don't get me wrong, I think DRM is for the birds, it just makes no sense to me why Apple would want to allow their music to be played on other players. | |
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| Re: I don't get the move said by vanDSLuser:Now, don't get me wrong, I think DRM is for the birds, it just makes no sense to me why Apple would want to allow their music to be played on other players. Apple would still make money off the songs no matter what player they were on, plus people don't buy iPods for the 'lock in' as he stated. They buy them because they like them and work well, so removing the DRM wouldn't change that.
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| | | | Re: I don't get the movesaid by rexbinary:Apple would still make money off the songs no matter what player they were on, plus people don't buy iPods for the 'lock in' as he stated. They buy them because they like them and work well, so removing the DRM wouldn't change that. I believe that Steve Jobs has mentioned it numerous times that Apple doesn't make much off their music store. The big chunk of their share goes to recover operating expenses for that store, the rest goes to the record labels. iPods are Apple's bread and butter, that's what they are making the most money on these days.
And yes, I have an iPod and use it to play good old DRM-free MP3 files. If it didn't support them, I would have never even thought about getting one.
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|  Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | said by vanDSLuser:Unless it's just fluff for PR purposes. Does Itunes offer any non DRM'd music for sale (ala emusic)?
Consider that as you decide how honest Jobs is being about his desire to see DRM eliminated.
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| | | | Re: I don't get the move said by Combat Chuck:Does Itunes offer any non DRM'd music for sale (ala emusic)? Consider that as you decide how honest Jobs is being about his desire to see DRM eliminated. Does eMusic offer the same music that iTunes offers? No. The big four companies that Steve mentions do not sell music on eMusic.
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Erie, PA | Re: I don't get the move said by ssj4android:But is there an option to sell music on iTunes without DRM? As far as I know, there is not. That's exactly what I mean. If Jobs was so convinced DRM was an undesirable thing he wouldn't be forcing people selling via Itunes to use Fair Play at all, and AFAIK if you want to sell via Itunes you have to use FairPlay DRM.
And cause I know it's coming any mentions of technical barriers preventing the Itunes store from selling non DRM music are hogwash pure and simple.
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|  Count ZeroMD2BePremium
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| |  sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
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| Re: I don't get the move said by fAcEtIOUs:That is, he's telling them to clean their own house up before throwing stones at his windows. No pun intended, of course.  | |
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| | While one can question Jobs' motives What he says is right. It'd a lot simpler if songs were DRM free. Buy it once, and play it wherever you want (PC, Ipod, car, cell phone). It's simple and it does not treat the customers as a bunch of thieves. | |
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| | Steve Jobs the Hypocrite hypocritically arrogant Steve says what??? He should take a look at his own company of locking hardware and software. He was hoping that RIAA unlocked the Hardware and their software(music)???
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| | |  Michieru2zzz zzz zzzPremium
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Miami, FL | Re: Steve Jobs the Hypocrite If you read it fast there is.
Basically if Bill says the same thing Steve says, Steve will obviously get way more credit than what Bill gates will say even if he was the second one to mention it and not the first.
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| | The customer is the enemy Thats the RIAA's take on it anyway. If they COULD go back in time, and create a DRM cd, thet would. They tried it with DAT, and it is/was a dead technology. They tried it with HDCD, and it's a dead technology. As long as the RIAA companies consider ALL their customers to be thieves, they will never unlock the doors. Remember, we are ALL thieves, unless we pay them every time we hear, or hum, or even think about their sold called 'intellectual property'
Bring it on **AssAsses, you can't stop the tides, and you'll only lose in the end..
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| | my only problem is with price of songs.. I always pay for everything I want to get and can afford - and currently, the price of a single song from itunes is prohibitively expensive for me.
For something that I am going to listen to very infrequently and need a variety of, 1 dollar per song is too expensive.
I would agree on a much cheaper pricing per song (maybe like 10 cents/song), or possibly, unlimited DRM-free downloads while paying a subscription fee per month. Once I stop paying the subscription, I lose the right to download legit MP3's quickly (versus illegaly, which would waste my time, and my time's certainly more valuable than the monthly fee or 10 cents/song, so I won't do it illegaly anyway).
But I don't think this sinks in with the studios.. They think the world is out to pirate their music en masse.
That's where the disconnect is.... | |
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|  TigerNutzLaissez les bons temps roulerPremium
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Little Rock, AR | Re: my only problem is with price of songs.. said by comcast_customer :
I always pay for everything I want to get and can afford - and currently, the price of a single song from itunes is prohibitively expensive for me.
For something that I am going to listen to very infrequently and need a variety of, 1 dollar per song is too expensive.
I would agree on a much cheaper pricing per song (maybe like 10 cents/
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kudos:3 | Confirmation... Steve's quote confirms what I suspected when making this comment a while back: »Re: "Want an iPhone? Beware the iHandcuffs"
The entertainment industries have made a mess of technology and the courts.
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kudos:3 | Re: Jobs has some big ones. There is no standard for DRM. However, the entertainment industries will not allow media be sold via the Internet without it. So a company who wants to get in on making money out of the digital media distribution must develop a DRM scheme. But because there is no standard for DRM, it is not possible for there to be a level playing field amongst all digital media distributors and devices.
You cannot blame Apple for this. Apple, under threat of legal action, developed a DRM scheme and a player to work with it. What else do you want from them?
Don't like DRM and the way in which it limits you? Don't like how DRM screw up fair use? BLAME THE INDUSTRY THAT IS RAMMING DRM DOWN OUR THROATS.
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kudos:2 | Re: Jobs has some big ones. Chicken and egg situation. If distributors did not rush to make money on creating channels supporting DRM we probably would not even know what DRM is. RIAA would offer another scheme (without DRM) to make its money.
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| | Hmm. I'm glad to see this article. Hopefully all those morons I'd like to flog with a wet noodle (that think this is Apple's fault) will read and understand that this is the music labels' fault instead.
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| | Did someone die and leave Steve Jobs in charge of the world? Steve Jobs is a bad joke IMNHO. | |
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Toronto | Sneaky To me, it seems like Dr. Jobs is signalling to the big-four that he will be selling some DRM-free music on iTunes. Let's see how this unfolds.
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Ann Arbor, MI | Re: Sneaky If iTunes starts selling DRM-free music, we need to support it to prove we want DRM-free music not crippled music.
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| | SKThe member formerly known as CowPremium
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Toronto | Re: Sneaky That is why I support eMusic.
If Steve Jobs genuinely wants to go DRM-free, he can start by offering 30% of the publishers the option to sell DRM-free music. There's a lot of stuff that's available on both iTunes and eMusic. The difference is that iTMS sells DRMed 128 kbps AAC while eMusic sells 320 kbps MP3.
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