brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL |  heh
Steve came up with a brilliant plan. A new peace of land called Idaho where you live in a IHouse. Lol loved that tech tv expo show. |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
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1 edit | Same as Windows debate
You've gotta know this debate will drag on for years just as the MS Windows debate did.
It'll eventually go to court, Apple will have a completely separate iTunes in the EU and Scandinavia then it will quietly disappear.
I can see a day when iTunes will evolve into something different from today, even disappear and this whole thing will become yesterdays news.
MS started on the right path with "Plays for Sure" but they have now back peddled with the Zune.
All they've done is used the same type model (albeit a crappy one - Zune Marketplace Credits) as Apple. |
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
1 edit | Jobs went Corporate and Lost his "Hip" Image
Jobs, worse than Microsoft, likes to lock in the sheep into his iTunes using his iPod. He wants DRM just as much as anyone. No DRM would hurt iTunes sales to the non-iTunes fanboys that would file-share they heck out of their half-witted "music" (too small to have real CD quality).
Also, I'm sick of the MAC commercials with the "hip" guy (looks like he smokes Marijuana or something) and the guy who looks like he's supressing his gayness or secretly has tons of kiddie porn on his "computer," if he could figure out how to play it.
Look at the iPhone: more DRM crap than anything and only good enough for ONE cell carrier. And, I'll bet the phone does everything great, as long as MAC compatible, except make a phone call!
Pixar: Jobs had no problem selling out his creative team to Disney for billions. |
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snipper_cr
join:2002-01-22
Wheaton, IL
clubs:
| End of DRM
Id love to think that we are on the verge of DRM-free media. If ITunes went DRM free, I would hop on over in a second. And it wouldnt be to download a bunch of songs and post them on torrents...it would be to download and have them in MY possession without having to jump through a million hoops.
A clever marketing move? Ill say. It would get me to join Itunes in a second.
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
| reply to ifarrell
Re: Same as Windows debate
said by ifarrell  :I can see a day when iTunes will evolve into something different from today, even disappear and this whole thing will become yesterdays news. MS started on the right path with "Plays for Sure" but they have now back peddled with the Zune. All they've done is used the same type model (albeit a crappy one - Zune Marketplace Credits) as Apple. Yep. Apple is about to feel the sting of the EU. Hate to tell you, the Zune sucks! I love the Creative Zen. Gee, I even put work files on there. And, why a BROWN Zune??? My Zen is Pink!
I guess Microsoft geeks need girlfriends so they would ask them about colors! Brown??? It looks like that "candybar" in Candy Shack!  |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
·Vonage
| reply to kyramilan
Re: Jobs went Corporate and Lost his "Hip" Image
said by kyramilan :Jobs, worse than Microsoft, likes to lock in the sheep into his iTunes using his iPod. He wants DRM just as much as anyone. No DRM would hurt iTunes sales to the non-iTunes fanboys that would file-share they heck out of their half-witted "music" (too small to have real CD quality). Also, I'm sick of the MAC commercials with the "hip" guy (looks like he smokes Marijuana or something) and the guy who looks like he's supressing his gayness or secretly has tons of kiddie porn on his "computer," if he could figure out how to play it. Look at the iPhone: more DRM crap than anything and only good enough for ONE cell carrier. And, I'll best the phone does everything great, as long as MAC compatible, except make a phone call! Pixar: Jobs had no problem selling out his creative team to Disney for billions. LOL
Just like Bill Gates likes to lock his sheep into his Zune Marketplace using his Zune.
Yea right!
I don't see Microsoft's record being exactly too consumer friendly either.
All these U.S. Corporations are all the same at the end of the day.
The Mac commercials are a matter of personal preference. I don't like the Sony Bravia commercials but that doesn't mean lots of other people feel the same way. Apple's Mac campaign must of had some success since they've sold a record number in the past year.
As for the iPhone, since it hasn't been released yet, I don't think any judgment calls can be made until it's final release.
The DRM crap you talk about (I presume you mean locked?) is on most every other Mobile Phone.
As for choosing Cingular, well since GSM is a World Standard and CDMA is mainly U.S. only, it wasn't a bad decision at the end of the day. |
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL | ifarrell - I have no love for Microsoft either. I personally would like to tell Gates where he could put Vista! |
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
| reply to brianiscool
Re: heh
said by brianiscool :Steve came up with a brilliant plan. A new peace of land called Idaho where you live in a IHouse. Lol loved that tech tv expo show. Would that be living in iDaho, in an iHome, driving an iHonda, using an iPhone, surfing on an iMac, and listening to a iPod? |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs:
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1 edit | reply to kyramilan
Re: Jobs went Corporate and Lost his "Hip" Image
said by kyramilan :Also, I'm sick of the MAC commercials with the "hip" guy (looks like he smokes Marijuana or something) and the guy who looks like he's supressing his gayness or secretly has tons of kiddie porn on his "computer," if he could figure out how to play it. it's funny because it's partly true. there are advantages to both systems. pc's don't always work perfectly. lock down your system like apple does and sure, everything may seem to "always" works as it is supposed to. just pony up the extra dough consistently to support this model and settle for less innovation overall.
i don't want to start a flame war, but of all the apple/mac guys i've known, it seems like the majority have been complete tools. that doesn't make me want to jump ship to their side. maybe i'll just wear more hip clothing and call it a day, eh? |
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gateguy
Premium
join:2001-02-12
Reisterstown, MD | Not calling you a pig...
but you know what they say about putting a dress on a pig...
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Sarah
Premium,ExMod 2002-05
join:2001-01-09
Cambridge, MA
clubs:
| If he doesn't like DRM...
Then why do all of the songs from indie labels on iTunes have DRM on them too? I can't imagine the indie labels are forcing Apple to use DRM on iTunes when they let emusic sell unrestricted 192k mp3s of the exact same albums and songs.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Song and Dance?
Who really cares what Jobs' "marketing moves" are in his statement? He made it, and in doing so he called the RIAA out. In the grand scheme of things this needed to be done. Not that it hasn't been done before (again and again) by Steve Jobs, but this time he put his own money down by claiming DRM-free downloads if he was given the opportunity. If the record labels called this "bluff" then in the end iTunes becomes the first major label download service that didn't have DRM.
Sure it would make Steve Jobs and iTunes look good. Does that really matter? What matters is there is the potential here for us to finally get out the restrictive, and ineffective, download business model that keeps many legitimate users from using the music they pay for as they see fit. All it takes is one for all the rest to start following. Next thing you know DRM is out of the picture for good.
Of course this would all mean that the record companies would actually pony up on Jobs' declaration, which is unlikely. Is that why analysts are saying Steve is just grandstanding? Again, who cares? |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | reply to Sarah
Re: If he doesn't like DRM...
Until you actually see what kind of contractual agreements are in place there is no point in speculating. It could be an all or nothing kind of system for all we know. |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| reply to gateguy
Re: Jobs went Corporate and Lost his "Hip" Image
said by gateguy :but you know what they say about putting a dress on a pig... It made Jim Henson millions of dollars? |
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Sarah
Premium,ExMod 2002-05
join:2001-01-09
Cambridge, MA
clubs: | reply to SRFireside
Re: If he doesn't like DRM...
LOL, there's no point in speculating? This is the internet, it's what we do  |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to kyramilan
Re: heh
...watching iPorn, pulling your iPud.
He's followed the same PR path we've seen dozens of times regarding criticism of the invasion of Iraq: Avoid the question by distraction, distortion, hype and pretty-colored shiny objects. Pure public relations hackery.
The RIAA/MPAA are archaic dopes but Teh Steve is right there in bed with them. Hard to take someone seriously in that scenario.
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Tikker_LoS
join:2004-04-29
Regina, SK | reply to SRFireside
Re: Jobs went Corporate and Lost his "Hip" Image
haha, you owe me a monitor
this one has coffee all over it now |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to ifarrell
Re: Same as Windows debate
said by ifarrell :You've gotta know this debate will drag on for years just as the MS Windows debate did. It'll eventually go to court, Apple will have a completely separate iTunes in the EU and Scandinavia then it will quietly disappear. It is all PR, related to the fact that several EU countries and now the whole EU is thinking of hauling apple into court for monopoly practices. By throwing the blame on the Music companies(3 of the big 4 music companies are EU companies), he can shift the blame back to the EU. That is, he's telling them to clean their own house up before throwing stones at his windows.
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clickie
join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| Only on DSL Reports
Only on DSL Reports can you have days of threads complaining about the RIAA only to be followed by copious amounts of whining when someone other than a Senator or some Hollywood big-wig calls it as it is. So instead of saying, "yeah, Jobs has a reason, but at least he's calling these people for the greedy bastards they are" we're treated to a round of iPod bashing and the requisite and extremely lame and tiresome Mac versus Windows debate.
Furthermore, stating that Jobs issued this as a way to "take the heat off Apple from the EU" doesn't dismiss his premise as inaccurate. The EU wants him to open what is ostensibly as open as it can go due to contractual obligations with the content providers. |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| said by clickie :Only on DSL Reports can you have days of threads complaining about the RIAA only to be followed by copious amounts of whining when someone other than a Senator or some Hollywood big-wig calls it as it is. So instead of saying, "yeah, Jobs has a reason, but at least he's calling these people for the greedy bastards they are" we're treated to a round of iPod bashing and the requisite and extremely lame and tiresome Mac versus Windows debate. That's because the internet is full of hateful ignorant nerds. |
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