corpus guy
@sbc.com | FTTH
Next they could give all the homeless in San Fran a new laptop to complement their city wifi. But FTTH for the homeless may be a problem. |
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morbo
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clubs: | let the threats begin!
"If the City deploys fiber, why should AT&T bother with any investments in the community?"
that's fine. if AT&T wants to ignore the future, let 'em die. |
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | sounds good fiber and wifi
say goodbye to at&t if they can get it through |
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ShadezeRO
join:2006-04-24
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Then I say good riddance. Bring on Verizon, or whatever google is using all that DarkFiber for. |
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SuperJoker
join:2005-11-21
Yermo, CA
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Re: let the threats begin!
said by morbo  :"If the City deploys fiber, why should AT&T bother with any investments in the community?" that's fine. if AT&T wants to ignore the future, let 'em die. Yep, The "New" AT&T is sounding more and more like The "Old" AT&T every time they open their mouth. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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halfband
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Huntsville, AL
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said by morbo :"If the City deploys fiber, why should AT&T bother with any investments in the community?" Isn't AT&T just saying that if the city builds a fiber network they have no need to remain in SF. It is not AT&T ignoring the future, since it is not AT&Ts choice.
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halfband
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Huntsville, AL | reply to corpus guy
Re: FTTH
said by corpus guy :
But FTTH for the homeless may be a problem. FTTH=Fiber to the Homeless?
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halfband
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Huntsville, AL
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Re: sounds good fiber and wifi
If the city builds it, it will not be Verizon, or AT&T, it will be an independent like Earthlink or Joes ISP.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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Re: let the threats begin!
said by morbo :"If the City deploys fiber, why should AT&T bother with any investments in the community?" that's fine. if AT&T wants to ignore the future, let 'em die. AT&T can wait until SanFran builds a fiber infrastructure and then sue to make sure they can provide service over it. That way the taxpayers fund the system and then they get to use it.
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Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA | reply to halfband
Re: sounds good fiber and wifi
And then they would get real competition on providing services to the end user. |
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halfband
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Huntsville, AL
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: let the threats begin!
But they do not want that. AT&T competes by controlling the pipe. Take away that control and they do not have a competitive advantage over other independent ISPs. They will not sue to get access, they will sue to prevent the government from building and owning a competitive pipe.
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halfband
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Huntsville, AL
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Re: sounds good fiber and wifi
Not only real competition, but probably something they could not compete with. AT&T would likely leave the area as they would not provide a needed service that could not be undercut by competitors. This is why AT&T said they would not upgrade the city infrastructure, they would eventually be forced out and lose the investment. They will invest money elsewhere where the environment is better.
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dbennett1106
join:2000-05-28
Menlo Park, CA | FTTH?
I watched Palo Alto go through the FTTH and it was a big deal to dig up the entire city (which is flat). I can not see AT&T digging up the City (SF)to put in Fiber Optics. It is a big enough mess as it is. |
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Defcon888
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join:2003-07-22
San Bruno, CA
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·DSL EXTREME
| eh.
I object to the City spending useless money on itself. Let at&t use its own money to roll out whatever it is they want. (Such as with Comcast, when they rolled out their own fiber).
San Francisco should instead spend money on local education as its getting worse and worse as the years go by. Don't let us become the next "Oakland."
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brandon
Some truth included in this post.
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Hurley, MS
·AT&T Southeast
| said by Defcon888 :I object to the City spending useless money on itself...San Francisco should instead spend money on local education That would also be spending money on itself. It's your definition of useless that needs work.
As if fiber to every home would not potentially dramatically increase education anyway. |
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IwantFtth
@pacbell.net | SF wont get as bad as oakland
fiber should become the backbone for the city to attract more development for business someone has to build it whether it is comcrap, at&t or SF in the mean time wifi would be nice |
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Defcon888
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San Bruno, CA
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Re: eh.
said by brandon :said by Defcon888 :I object to the City spending useless money on itself...San Francisco should instead spend money on local education That would also be spending money on itself. It's your definition of useless that needs work. As if fiber to every home would not potentially dramatically increase education anyway. I see no need for fiber to the home (especially not to promote better education). I think kids are fine with 56k to low speed lines. They don't need to download movies, music, and porn at home. 56k will do just fine for "research." Don't you think?
The phone systems are so old and outdated these days it's extremely hard to just simply upgrade all the networks in the city. (Lower income areas don't need fiber to the home - which was what at&t originally had in mind). I say.. everyone should stick with CABLE for television, as we have for the past x-amount of years.
Anyways, I'm for at&t all the way. Cops don't need Wi-fi in their cars to surf the web; etc, and the City itself does not need to spend such money on municipal computing/telecom technologies.
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  San Francisco wants to be on The Cutting Edge!
San Francisco knows that Fiber and Networks are the way of the future. The City had some of the oldest Copper in the state and PacBell/SBC/AT&T replaced most of it. Now the AT&T model of FTTP is not good enough. SF knows FTTH is the way of the future, and anything less will be useless.
AT&T has to change their thinking and Bite the Bullet, their decision of FTTP will not work and they have to redesign their Network or fail. The only problem is the BellHeads are back at AT&T, and they take forever to decide which could be a big problem for them. |
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24
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Re: sounds good fiber and wifi
Given the anit-corporate sentiments expressed at the meetings for the Earthlink/Google project, there's little to no chance the city will build the network and then allow outside competition from the private sector. The services will be provided by the City itself or a non-profit funded by the city.
While I'm glad to see them run at&t out of town, its not creating competition. They're just replacing one choice with another. |
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myrddin97
join:2004-09-28
Edwardsville, IL
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Re: eh.
said by Defcon888 :Anyways, I'm for at&t all the way. Cops don't need Wi-fi in their cars to surf the web; etc, and the City itself does not need to spend such money on municipal computing/telecom technologies. Who says just because they're connected to the internet means their going to be browsing web sights? It's entirely possible to have web based applications that could be useful to police officers and not even to be able to reach Google.
I'm not saying there isn't better things to spend money on and I've never even been to California so I can't really comment on the state of the schools in the area, but when is the last time you tried to surf for research, or any reason, on 56K? It would be fine if you're just loading text and the odd images? But how many web sights, especially from the larger companies are full of broadband crap that takes a while to load on a fast connection, let alone dial up? It can get a little more than frustrating at times.
I'm not saying it would be a magic turn around, but from the little information I've seen, it's not going to hurt things in the short run and should only help in the long. |
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