Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| how about...
verizon proposing that a national broadband plan try to rival that of south korea and indonesia instead of worrying about the backwaters... start penetrating into markets where their FIOS doesn't exist and move on from there... these money induced proposals are stupid... |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
1 edit | hello north east ?
Didnt Verizon just dump most of the northeast, and now there are asking for money? sorry, i thought you were a private business, not a grant funded organization. I think comcast should get some grants too, they already serve rural areas. |
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR | Tell Me
Tel me a place where centralized planning works and I will tell you why we do not need a National broadband policy. |
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | no change
Its fine the way it is. No need for more public funds. |
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hoyleysox
join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA
 ·Cox HSI
·Time Warner Cable
| Kushnik = crackpot. Why keep bringing him up?
Kushnik is such a crackpot and is way off base. I am still surprised about how often his editorials, er I mean 'reports' (as they are called in the article) are cited as newsworthy in in almost every discussion about telco regulation.
I think that anything that begins with "Kushnik says..." should be approached skeptically. |
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X_Digit
Binary Enhanced
Premium
join:2003-06-12
Mansfield, TX
1 edit | Yeah, why don't we ALL start a multi-billion dollar a year business and cry for the goverment to pay for our overhead and expansions! Sounds like a plan! |
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CMoore2004
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Jonesville, MI
| reply to ninjatutle
Re: no change
There's hundreds of thousands of people that can't get broadband that pay into the same funds as you. Sure, we could all move to the city, but we and the rest of the country might come to miss some of the more luxurious things such as food and milk.
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | What crops do you farm and how many heads of cattle do you have on your milk operation? |
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26
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| reply to ninjatutle
said by ninjatutle  :Its fine the way it is. No need for more public funds. Pfft speak for yourself. Mine is not fine.
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DoctorDoom
Troll hunter
Premium
join:2006-09-19
Becket, MA
| They speak with forked tongue
I'm in an unserved town in western MA. A couple of years back, I was told by a Verizon serviceman that there was a plan to run a fiber to the distribution box by the town hall and use it to provide DSL to the town.
Not only did that not come to pass, but the Becket CO five miles away doesn't have a broadband connection. So much for that hope.
Ergo, when Verizon pushes this sort of plan, it's worth taking with a large helping of skepticism. Of course, they might be dumping their rural POTS lines in order to avoid the need to upgrade those customers when they start pushing the plan.
We shall see. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to richardpor
Re: Tell Me
said by richardpor :Tel me a place where centralized planning works and I will tell you why we do not need a National broadband policy. If Kentucky could do this for themselves without a national plan and national funding, why can't other states? Let them solve their own problems. Verizon is offbase with this plan.
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| said by TKJunkMail :said by richardpor :Tel me a place where centralized planning works and I will tell you why we do not need a National broadband policy. If Kentucky could do this for themselves without a national plan and national funding, why can't other states? Let them solve their own problems. Verizon is offbase with this plan. Its just a money grab for Verizon.
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FTTH Pro
@qwest.net
| National Broadband Policy
I have to weigh in here. I think you all are off base and ill-informed. The US needs a national broadband strategy because we currently define "broadband" as 200 kbps, a little faster than dial up. Alternatively, Japan and Korea have 100 Mbps speed to over 80% of their homes, and they are paying the same price that we in the US are paying for our "broadband" connection - $40 per month. Japan and Korea, France, Switzerland, etc all have national plans to deploy fiber to every home and business in their country.
Our country will fall behind economically if we do not do the same. A national broadband policy is good for everyone, not just Verizon. |
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Andypro
@mindspring.com
|  Verizon wants to have their cake and eat it too
Verizon re: national broadband plan: We really really want federal government to interfere and provide subsidies, yay!
Verizon re: network neutrality legislation: We really really DON'T want federal government to interfere. Let us manage our own network, thank you very much!
Whenever I hear the word "federal grants" or "subsidies" regarding large corporations my stomach turns just a bit. I really would like to send a copy of "The Myth of the Robber Barons" (»www.amazon.com/Myth-Robber-Baron···63020315) by Burton Folsom to every large corporation as well as every Congressman.
Federal subsidies in situations like this are just about always a huge waste of money and are beaten by companies that do not rely on subsidies and instead actually try to cut costs and improve service. Instead of MORE regulation and control, what we really need is an environment of more freedom to build and use infrastructures and less FCC interference.
Please Verizon, don't claim you want the government's help when it's the government who is hampering competition with stupid FCC restrictions. |
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
| reply to FTTH Pro
Re: National Broadband Policy
Let me add a little bit more weight on to your bull crap.
What you say is true indeed, but try accessing any site out of that country on POP's that are nothing more than literally bottlenecks and with ping times more worse than 56K modem's.
A national broadband policy is crap shit for many reasons.
Every state has his or her own law's and they have the right to decide if you do business within that state. We are not called the "United States" because someone just thought it was cool. It's because what makes us as a nation and to simply say that every state has the same problems as some other state is irrelevant. Business should be done to gain profits but at the same time provide a good or service to the community on a legal term and without force.
Sure it's nice on paper, but when a company set's up a tower in your backyard you better eat your own garbage as nobody is going to listen to what you have to say.
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Broadband before healthcare?
Right 
People needs to get their priority straight. I am thankful to have a nice healthcare package. Others are not so lucky.
Have no broadband, just move.
Have no healthcare, get dumped in waiting room at the hospital. |
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CMoore2004
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Jonesville, MI
| reply to ninjatutle
Re: no change
We milk over 300, 3x daily, but that's just the milk cows. I don't even know the numbers for all the other cows. We do corn, beans, hay, wheat, oats, and probably something else I'm missing.
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OkieFiber
join:2006-12-11
Perry, OK
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Tell Me
So I guess we all forget how we got our National Highway system? If we would have waited for each state to upgrade their portion of the Interstate highway system we would still be driving on dirt roads, and we have still have more than enough of those where I live!
A national broadband policy is analogous to a national highway transportation bill. |
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soothsayer15
join:2002-03-01
Irving, TX
| reply to DaveNJ
Re: hello north east ?
said by DaveNJ :Didnt Verizon just dump most of the northeast, and now there are asking for money? sorry, i thought you were a private business, not a grant funded organization. I think comcast should get some grants too, they already serve rural areas. Nowhere in the article did Verizon ask for any money. If you actually read the article you would find out their suggestion was a change in the USF program which has been relatively ineffective in supplying rural areas with broadband. The vast majority of Verizon's business is in metro areas.
If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know Verizon(or rather their customers) receives a small fraction of what they pay in to the USF. Most of the money goes into the pockets of executives from small local phone companies. Also, cable isn't regulated like telephone service is.
Next time read the article and do some research before making a post. |
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dslextreme
Premium,VIP
join:2001-02-23
Canoga Park, CA | So... Verizon wants MORE of the USF money.
How is that not asking for money? |
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