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Spring Valley, CA | how about... verizon proposing that a national broadband plan try to rival that of south korea and indonesia instead of worrying about the backwaters... start penetrating into markets where their FIOS doesn't exist and move on from there... these money induced proposals are stupid... | |
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Forest, OH | Re: how about... Or start penetrating into areas with no broadband, forget the areas that have broadband, but do nothing but complain about it | |
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| | | | Re: how about... Verizondawg@verizon.net
Why would we want to subsidize Verizon with more money?
They have not done much with the money we have given them. | |
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| | | Kentucky has Broadband? I thought they were still working on indoor plumbing? | |
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| | | | Re: how about... What a stupid citified answer!!!!Sheesh are you for real or just being silly??!!!Kentucky is a nice state to live in...You seemed to have watched to much of the beverly hillbillies...Rember they wasn't even from kentucky!!!They was in fact tennessee....Sheesh,what stupid thinking...I actually had a cousin come in to kentucky,and he was actually in our armed forces!!!Anyways he was like when he found out we had bbq's he was like and i quote"i didn't know you had those here"!!!I could have said yes John we have telephones,would u like to come and see???!!!Not to mention, Super walmarts,red lobster,and even taco bell!!!!!It is amazing how ignorant some people are.... | |
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| | | | | Re: how about... Please grow up and stop trying to find ways to piss each other off will you? This is not the place for ignorant people to be making false stereotypes about those who live in rural areas instead of huge polluted metropolises. | |
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Denton, TX | Yes, subsidies are great... just look at the oil industry. They are really in need of free money from tax payers, just like Verizon. | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | Re: how about... said by mobbo:Yes, subsidies are great... just look at the oil industry. They are really in need of free money from tax payers, just like Verizon. maybe if we were allowed to actually be able to extract oil from our own country we wouldn't be worrying about subsidies for oil companies... i say eliminate subsidies altogether for every industry... let the stand on their own two feet... | |
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1 edit | hello north east ? Didnt Verizon just dump most of the northeast, and now there are asking for money? sorry, i thought you were a private business, not a grant funded organization. I think comcast should get some grants too, they already serve rural areas. | |
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| | | Re: hello north east ? said by DaveDude:Didnt Verizon just dump most of the northeast, and now there are asking for money? sorry, i thought you were a private business, not a grant funded organization. I think comcast should get some grants too, they already serve rural areas. Nowhere in the article did Verizon ask for any money. If you actually read the article you would find out their suggestion was a change in the USF program which has been relatively ineffective in supplying rural areas with broadband. The vast majority of Verizon's business is in metro areas.
If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know Verizon(or rather their customers) receives a small fraction of what they pay in to the USF. Most of the money goes into the pockets of executives from small local phone companies. Also, cable isn't regulated like telephone service is.
Next time read the article and do some research before making a post. | |
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Canoga Park, CA | Re: hello north east ? So... Verizon wants MORE of the USF money.
How is that not asking for money? | |
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| | | | | Re: hello north east ? said by dslextreme:So... Verizon wants MORE of the USF money. How is that not asking for money? Where does it say that in the article? Don't worry, I'll wait while you find it.
If you read the article, you'd know that Verizon doesn't accept USF money. But don't take their word for it, you can research that yourself.
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Several rural lawmakers have opposed changes to USF.
Gee, I wonder why. Their communities are they ones being under served with broadband. You'd think that they be in favor of Kentucky's model. | |
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Forest, OH | Re: hello north east ? The U.S. government should launch a new program that provides grants and loans for broadband providers to extend service to rural areas, a top executive at Verizon said Monday. First line of the article. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: hello north east ? said by Nuts:The U.S. government should launch a new program that provides grants and loans for broadband providers to extend service to rural areas, a top executive at Verizon said Monday. First line of the article. And the part where Verizon asked or said they should receive the money? Oh that's right! It's not there. Verizon doesn't take anything from the USF fund now. Get your facts straight. | |
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| | Tell Me Tel me a place where centralized planning works and I will tell you why we do not need a National broadband policy. | |
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| | | Re: Tell Me said by richardpor:Tel me a place where centralized planning works and I will tell you why we do not need a National broadband policy. If Kentucky could do this for themselves without a national plan and national funding, why can't other states? Let them solve their own problems. Verizon is offbase with this plan.
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| Re: Tell Me said by fAcEtIOUs:said by richardpor:Tel me a place where centralized planning works and I will tell you why we do not need a National broadband policy. If Kentucky could do this for themselves without a national plan and national funding, why can't other states? Let them solve their own problems. Verizon is offbase with this plan. Its just a money grab for Verizon.
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| | | | | Re: Tell Me said by DaveDude:said by fAcEtIOUs:said by richardpor:Tel me a place where centralized planning works and I will tell you why we do not need a National broadband policy. If Kentucky could do this for themselves without a national plan and national funding, why can't other states? Let them solve their own problems. Verizon is offbase with this plan. Its just a money grab for Verizon. How? They aren't receiving any money from the USF now. Does anyone read the articles anymore? | |
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| | | | So I guess we all forget how we got our National Highway system? If we would have waited for each state to upgrade their portion of the Interstate highway system we would still be driving on dirt roads, and we have still have more than enough of those where I live!
A national broadband policy is analogous to a national highway transportation bill. | |
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| | | | | Re: Tell Me said by OkieFiber:A national broadband policy is analogous to a national highway transportation bill. Really? Interstates are needed to drive from one side of the country to the other, and can be used by everyone in the country.
The broadband access problem usually refers to a last mile access or black hole problem, the primary hurdles involving local rights of way to private homes or businesses. If you want to talk about having broadband in airports, train stations, etc., that is one thing, but subsidizing broadband access to private homes or businesses is of little benefit except to the people in those homes or businesses. | |
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Yeah, I don't know how much national highway system you got, my national highway system doesn't come straight to my door, I have to drive down those pesky locally funded roads to get to it.
The only national broadband policy involving grants should also require an independent backbone. Meaning, if you want public money, then you don't get to compete with private companies for service and content. Which is the whole problem now. | |
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| | | | If Kentucky could do this for themselves without a national plan and national funding, why can't other states? Let them solve their own problems.
I can tell you that here in GA the government would simply pocket the money. No broadband initiative would ever actually go through, unless it was of benefit to the uber-rich of the metro Atlanta area. Yea, corruption.
It's rather sad to live in at-will state and have more trust in corporations than in the state government. | |
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| PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | said by richardpor:Tel me a place where centralized planning works and I will tell you why we do not need a National broadband policy. We already have a national broadband policy, defined by the 1996 Telecommunications Act. It's just not being implemented.
It states that Universal broadband shall be made available in a timely manner. The FCC uses misleading data ("one house served in a zip code means everyone in the zip code is served") so that they can ignore the problem. | |
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| | no change Its fine the way it is. No need for more public funds. | |
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| | | Re: no change There's hundreds of thousands of people that can't get broadband that pay into the same funds as you. Sure, we could all move to the city, but we and the rest of the country might come to miss some of the more luxurious things such as food and milk.
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| | | | Re: no change What crops do you farm and how many heads of cattle do you have on your milk operation? | |
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| | | | | Re: no change We milk over 300, 3x daily, but that's just the milk cows. I don't even know the numbers for all the other cows. We do corn, beans, hay, wheat, oats, and probably something else I'm missing.
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join:2004-09-30
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| | Kushnik = crackpot. Why keep bringing him up? Kushnik is such a crackpot and is way off base. I am still surprised about how often his editorials, er I mean 'reports' (as they are called in the article) are cited as newsworthy in in almost every discussion about telco regulation.
I think that anything that begins with "Kushnik says..." should be approached skeptically. | |
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|  X_DigitBinary EnhancedPremium
join:2003-06-12
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1 edit | Re: Kushnik = crackpot. Why keep bringing him up? Yeah, why don't we ALL start a multi-billion dollar a year business and cry for the goverment to pay for our overhead and expansions! Sounds like a plan! | |
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Becket, MA | They speak with forked tongue I'm in an unserved town in western MA. A couple of years back, I was told by a Verizon serviceman that there was a plan to run a fiber to the distribution box by the town hall and use it to provide DSL to the town.
Not only did that not come to pass, but the Becket CO five miles away doesn't have a broadband connection. So much for that hope.
Ergo, when Verizon pushes this sort of plan, it's worth taking with a large helping of skepticism. Of course, they might be dumping their rural POTS lines in order to avoid the need to upgrade those customers when they start pushing the plan.
We shall see. | |
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| | National Broadband Policy I have to weigh in here. I think you all are off base and ill-informed. The US needs a national broadband strategy because we currently define "broadband" as 200 kbps, a little faster than dial up. Alternatively, Japan and Korea have 100 Mbps speed to over 80% of their homes, and they are paying the same price that we in the US are paying for our "broadband" connection - $40 per month. Japan and Korea, France, Switzerland, etc all have national plans to deploy fiber to every home and business in their country.
Our country will fall behind economically if we do not do the same. A national broadband policy is good for everyone, not just Verizon. | |
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|  Michieru2zzz zzz zzzPremium
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Miami, FL | Re: National Broadband Policy Let me add a little bit more weight on to your bull crap.
What you say is true indeed, but try accessing any site out of that country on POP's that are nothing more than literally bottlenecks and with ping times more worse than 56K modem's.
A national broadband policy is crap shit for many reasons.
Every state has his or her own law's and they have the right to decide if you do business within that state. We are not called the "United States" because someone just thought it was cool. It's because what makes us as a nation and to simply say that every state has the same problems as some other state is irrelevant. Business should be done to gain profits but at the same time provide a good or service to the community on a legal term and without force.
Sure it's nice on paper, but when a company set's up a tower in your backyard you better eat your own garbage as nobody is going to listen to what you have to say.
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| | | | Re: National Broadband Policy Excepting that in any area of interstate commerce, the federal government reserves the right to trump anything the states might say.
We always had fun with that at Earthlink - since we stated any internet problems were 'interstate commerce' [seeing as the internet is not centralized in any one state], the Legal Department was usually successful in getting cases removed to federal court from the state courts. | |
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| | | Let me subtract a little weight from your bullcrap.
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I have to weigh in here. I think you all are off base and ill-informed. The US needs a national broadband strategy because we currently define "broadband" as 200 kbps, a little faster than dial up.
200/52 ~= 3.85 times faster than dialup. Just keeping FACTS facts.
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Alternatively, Japan and Korea have 100 Mbps speed to over 80% of their homes, and they are paying the same price that we in the US are paying for our "broadband" connection - $40 per month. Japan and Korea, France, Switzerland, etc all have national plans to deploy fiber to every home and business in their country.
Be that as it may. Giving Verizon more money after we established a TAX which every RURAL user pays into... is beyond reason.
Verizon collects from *EVERY* subscriber a federal tax *EVERY* month. Have they used any of that money to deliver rural broadband.
Let me clue you. Verizon is running scared because there are 9000 WISPs out here grabbing as much of rural America as they can *AND THEY AREN'T ASKING FOR A HAND OUT*.
Verizon lost 360,000 POTS subscribers last quarter. Verizon is most likely a sinking ship if they can't stop the hemmoraging.
Now ask me is I care? Verizon deserves what their lame management have earned for them. | |
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| |  Verizon wants to have their cake and eat it too
Verizon re: network neutrality legislation: We really really DON'T want federal government to interfere. Let us manage our own network, thank you very much!
Whenever I hear the word "federal grants" or "subsidies" regarding large corporations my stomach turns just a bit. I really would like to send a copy of "The Myth of the Robber Barons" (»www.amazon.com/Myth-Robber-Baron···63020315) by Burton Folsom to every large corporation as well as every Congressman.
Federal subsidies in situations like this are just about always a huge waste of money and are beaten by companies that do not rely on subsidies and instead actually try to cut costs and improve service. Instead of MORE regulation and control, what we really need is an environment of more freedom to build and use infrastructures and less FCC interference.
Please Verizon, don't claim you want the government's help when it's the government who is hampering competition with stupid FCC restrictions. | |
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| | Broadband before healthcare? Right 
People needs to get their priority straight. I am thankful to have a nice healthcare package. Others are not so lucky.
Have no broadband, just move.
Have no healthcare, get dumped in waiting room at the hospital. | |
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| | Government waste The telecom companies contribute today to taxes (FUSF) thats purpose is to supplement the needy. The government is collecting billion of dollars annually for this fund and they're spending for other things. Verizon is right...lets say no to government waste. | |
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| | | Re: Government waste quote:
The telecom companies contribute today to taxes (FUSF) thats purpose is to supplement the needy. The government is collecting billion of dollars annually for this fund and they're spending for other things. Verizon is right...lets say no to government waste.
Get clue verizon.com! The FUSF is funded by the end users. Verizon's customers PAY THAT TAX.
Let's say "NO!" to Verizon gluttony. | |
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| | ... Screw Verizon ... Verizon, the only company that can wholesale DSL to resellers at ten dollars more per month than they retail it to their customers.
Verizon, the only company that can blatantly abuse ISM spectrum 910-920 MHz and walk away smiling.
Verizon, the company that is afraid 9000 WISPs are going to take forty percent of their broadband market because *VERIZON* wants subsidies and the rural WISPs are just doing it....
Screw Verizon | |
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| | ConnectKentucky is a joke I work for an ISP here in KY and the connectkentucky folks are a joke. They count broadband availibilty if one person in a area can get broadband. | |
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| | who would oversee use of funds? I could just smell the siphoning off money to fund wireless and other slush projects Pennsylvanians are so familiar with.. chuckle, chuckle.. | |
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Dunbar, WV | verizon The government should tell yes they will look at incentives only if the broadband is fios no more picking and choosing across the board. See what Verizon thinks about that | |
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join:2003-07-16
Vancouver, WA | Question Karl, why is there a Verizon story every day of the week? I mean its nice to see that Fios or whatever is available for a fraction of the DSLreports population but lately Im getting tired of all this bland over used material. The latest story (RIAA $1k Settlement plan) was a good read. Don't get me wrong I enjoy every other part of DSLreports, but the news sometimes is a little dull. | |
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| | EW: if you look at it carefully you can see that its just Verizon telling the small time providers to step up, so the can come in 10 years later and take over. There even asking the government to participate. | |
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | Now I know why I don't have broadband from Verizon The neighborhood has a new Remote Cabinet, that VZ spent a ton of $$$ to install. The VZ techs tell me it's all ready to go with DSL, but their bosses won't let them turn it on. I've always wonder why. Comcast doesn't serve the area, so they don't face that competitive pressure. But would that be enough reason to turn down the extra revenue, and piss off their customers like they are doing now?
Now it's clear: VZ is also withholding service from areas like ours, in order to help provide justification for this government money stream they are asking for.
BTW, note that Tauke's speech had they separate and distinct subjects: the rural broadband fund, the USF fund, and net neutrality. The USF fund, which he points out VZ doesn't get any of, is strictly for telephone service; none of it currently goes to broadband deployment. Thus, he's proposing this new, separate rural BB fund, and he's simultaneously asking that the USF be shrunk down. | |
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