karlmarx
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| Net neutrality prevents this
This is EXACTLY the reason we need net neutrality laws. A megacorp is attempting to redefine the internet to increase their own profits, at the expense of the end users. Net neutrality specifically prevents this abhorrent behavior by the megacorops to rape the consumer just a little bit more.
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EvelKub
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Phoenix, AZ | OpenDNS is different?
I use OpenDNS myself, but don't they do the same thing? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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Re: Net neutrality prevents this
There is nothing "abhorrent about megacorps raping consumer to increase profits". This isn't a net neutrality issue...yet. The easier and cheaper answer is to simply use alternate DNS servers. If Charter impedes your access to alternate DNS servers, then yes, I agree that it's a potential net neutrality issue. |
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yock
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Fairfield, OH | reply to EvelKub
Re: OpenDNS is different?
Yes they do. I was about to point out the very same thing. |
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GlenQuagmire
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join:2004-02-16
Grand Rapids, MI
| Glade I am not with Charter
When ever I think Comcast is carp all I have to do is to look at Charter and Comcast is not so bad. Also, I am lucky in the fact that my apartment in on the line that separates Comcast's market from Charters. The landlord could just have easily went with Charter
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Jon
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Lisle, IL
1 edit | reply to EvelKub
Re: OpenDNS is different?
said by EvelKub  :I use OpenDNS myself, but don't they do the same thing? From their FAQ...
"Is this like Site Finder?
No. OpenDNS is not like Site Finder, the discontinued service from VeriSign which wildcarded domain names so that any mistakes or non-existent domain names were automatically re-directed to a landing page (history of Site Finder). VeriSign runs the .com and .net global top-level domains (gTLDs), which means the changes they made impacted everyone in the world. Authoritative DNS servers must be consistent in their answers, by definition. Recursive DNS servers, however, may make changes on a per-request basis based on a variety of factors. This is a technical way of saying that OpenDNS is fundamentally different from Site Finder because our recursive DNS service only serves customers who choose it. OpenDNS customers choose our service for its benefits and may choose not to use it at any time. VeriSign's changes were forced upon the entire Internet by one organization violating its neutral position granted by the Department of Commerce.
OpenDNS does not have a contract with the Department of Commerce. We have an agreement with you, and that's a lot more valuable. We know some of the people who spoke out against Site Finder and who served on the ICANN committee tasked with reviewing it. They support not only what we're doing but the spirit in which we're doing it." |
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War Eagle
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Re: Net neutrality prevents this
said by openbox9 :The easier and cheaper answer It's faster, too. I've abandoned Charter's DNS servers over a month ago because they were just plain slow (and extremely prone to failure), and reliability has gone up considerably.
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rawwhide
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Using third party DNS servers put users at risk. ISP's DNS servers are expected by customers to be secure and accurate. With third party dns servers you dont have that extra blanket of security. You my type www.google.com but that third party dns server may actually point you at www.ihackedyou.com which may act and look just like google. Or Gaagle where you ended up at actually is ran by your ISP feeding you crap that you thought was different than what you expected, and consumers never being the wiser.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| reply to karlmarx
said by karlmarx :This is EXACTLY the reason we need net neutrality laws. A megacorp is attempting to redefine the internet to increase their own profits, at the expense of the end users. Net neutrality specifically prevents this abhorrent behavior by the megacorops to rape the consumer just a little bit more. No it doesn't, because there are no net neutrality laws in existence. And even if there were, it won't prevent this. All this is is a change to an implementation of DNS procedures. And an RFC has no legal effect when broken.
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
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Re: OpenDNS is different?
however opendns is an optional/voluntary service where they tell you upfront about this "feature".
charter it seems like enabled it the sneaky way betraying user's trust.
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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Re: Net neutrality prevents this
I use the free Treewalk DNS product and wouldn't be affected if Comcast ever does something similar, which they haven't.
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BIGDOG_3
join:2002-09-27
Belleville, WI | reply to GlenQuagmire
Re: Glade I am not with Charter
Aything for money, Charter would do it. Pretty soon we will be seeing out of the blue popup advertisements that charter sends. It is too bad Charter is the only cable choice where I live.. |
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Darkk
join:2003-10-03
Almont, MI
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to GlenQuagmire
What Charter has done is nothing more than to fundamentally break how Internet name resolution works for Charter customers.
Customers should expect standards-based safe and secure DNS service from Charter. Charter has broken a trust with it's customers and added a redirect to someplace the customer did not want to go. All apps that need DNS services, including browsers, are now broken.
It isn't about only net neutrality, it is about not re-inventing the Internet is a way that you can profit, while breaking the Internet standards that any app that needs Internet name resolution to work depends on.
This is unthinkable and inexcusable.
Shame on you Charter!!
With bad offshore tech support and now this DNS scam, Charter has really dropped the ball. You would think they would have learned from the mistakes other ISPs and VeriSign have made in going down this DNS redirect path, and avoided it.
Come on Charter, back this out. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to openbox9
Re: Net neutrality prevents this
said by openbox9 :The easier and cheaper answer is to simply use alternate DNS servers. While that may be an option for some, Charter (as well as other ISPs) should be providing proper DNS, and not using redirection as a form of redirection. While many of us here may be technically savvy enough to change our DNS settings, there are millions that will be caught into this revenue generating, DNS hack.
Why is everything 'opt-out'. If Charter wishes to do this kind of DNS filtering, then they _should_ have those that want it to 'opt-in' by having their DNS set to a site finder service vs. a valid DNS server. |
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RideRed
Vista needs a popup blocker for Vista
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join:2005-06-18
USA | Can't use a different DNS?
Charter, annoying whores? Sure but what stops subs needing "pure DNS" from using someone else's DNS servers (like Verizon's)? |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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·AT&T Southwest
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dumb asses at corporate should have thought before plunging into billions of dollars of debt just to wrangle up cable outfits that AT&T was dumping. Charter is consistently disappointing, if nothing else.
now they probably feel like they HAVE to do this, to pay down their massive debt. sigh.
i wish they would just go away. |
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phxmark
What Country Are We Living In?
join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ
| reply to karlmarx
Re: Net neutrality prevents this
I am on Cox and I use my own DNS server. I do not use Cox's as they have been unreliable. Sometimes not able to get lookups on valid domains. Haven't had any issues with my Win2k DNS server.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to rawwhide
Using different DNS servers doesn't put you at any more risk that using your ISP's. I definitely don't expect my ISP's DNS servers to be any more secure or accurate than the Verizon (not my ISP) DNS servers that I use. |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03 | Use your own
Use your own DNS servers.
Anyone want mine from my lovely dumb-pipe ISP? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to en102
Re: Net neutrality prevents this
It's their DNS, they can do what they want with it as long as they don't poison the larger DNS. Who cares if the common customer is exploited by this "DNS hack". The common user sure doesn't. My response was to the Marxist that this is not a net-neutrality issue so long as Charter doesn't impede your ability to use alternate DNS servers. You are still free to choose and therefore the network is neutral in this instance. |
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