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Comments on news posted 2007-02-22 18:23:20: As we've discussed, there's a number of communities that are complaining about the refrigerator sized cabinets AT&T is placing in front of homes as part of their VDSL network upgrades. ..

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h4x0r3d
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lol

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said by h4x0r3d:

lol
"We would never do anything like that on purpose....please disregard the wire cutters in our hand...."
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If you run fiber no need for PINK BOXES!!!!!!!!!!!

Sheeeeesh

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For all the time and money they'll spend in attorney fees they could just install something similar to these.

»www.pondsolutions.com/precast-la···ders.htm

PeterCollins

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From Itasca's website....

»www.itasca.com/villageinfo/att/article.htm

"If you haven’t already noticed, the large and shockingly pink boxes located around town are a way to draw your attention to the proposal by AT&T to locate ground mounted and over-sized utility cabinets on public rights-of-way near our homes and businesses."
PDXPLT

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Must be something in the water in Illinois...

First »www.theangellady.net , now this.

So they don't want to come into the 21st century because of a few cabinets? 'good thing the power poles went in a long time ago.

rawgerz
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

I'm siding with the locals on this. I wouldn't buy a home for sale with one of those in front of it. They draw way too much attention to them.
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

said by rawgerz:

I'm siding with the locals on this. I wouldn't buy a home for sale with one of those in front of it. They draw way too much attention to them.
I have to agree. These aren't small boxes like you'd see for some cable installs. And they aren't tucked away next to the house or behind bushes. This is a huge white cabinet in your front yard.
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

Hell if they gave me a 50 dollar discount a month I would have 2 of them in my yard.
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rawgerz
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

Your yard, or your parents..

nixen
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

said by rawgerz:

Your yard, or your parents..
I'd guess the latter. Can't think of too many homeowners that are going to want that kind of monstrosity in their front yard.

-tom
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

quote:
This is a huge white cabinet in your front yard.
No it's not. They're on the public right of way; that's not your property.

Talk about anal retentive suburban twits. 'reminds me of the suburban types that move out here to the country for all the beautiful scenary: and then get completely outraged when the neighboring landowner harvests his timber.

Note to suburban types: This ain't a socialist country; if you don't own the property, you don't get to say what gets done with it. You want more control of the view further from your house, buy a bigger chunk of land.

nixen
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

said by PDXPLT:

quote:
This is a huge white cabinet in your front yard.
No it's not. They're on the public right of way; that's not your property.
Ok, "Mr. Pedantic," it may not technically on the homeowner's property, however it is in front of the homeowner's house. And, in most of these areas, whether the homeowner owns that strip of land or not, the homeowner is legally responsible for maintaining it (see what happens if you don't keep the grass, etc., cut back on that strip). So, it's not exactly a cut-and-dry demarcation.

said by PDXPLT:

Talk about anal retentive suburban twits.
And a big, hardy f*ck you, too.

said by PDXPLT:

'reminds me of the suburban types that move out here to the country for all the beautiful scenary: and then get completely outraged when the neighboring landowner harvests his timber.
Ok, Grandpa Crankenstein, I really don't see the relevancy. However, if one does move to a certain area, in part because they were sold on that scenery (if you're going to be pedantic, use a freaking spell checker), it's reasonable to expect that they are going to get a little upset if something upsets their expectations.

said by PDXPLT:

Note to suburban types: This ain't a socialist country; if you don't own the property, you don't get to say what gets done with it.
Really? You sure about that? There's an awful lot of laws and programs in place that look kind of socialist. Then again, socialism is about economics, not whether you're allowed to do certain things on your property or not and not about whether the government can dictate land-use policy. Simple fact is, government dictates land-use policy all the time (think zoning and other laws). But, at least you didn't use the word "communist."

said by PDXPLT:

You want more control of the view further from your house, buy a bigger chunk of land.
Or, work with your local governing body to establish land-use controls.

-tom
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

Well, I agree about 'suburban twits'. I am tired of hearing people cry about something the company has the right of way to do. But I also agree that AT&T are idiots too, installing VDSL, when Fiber should be what they waste money on.
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45071419

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said by nixen:

said by rawgerz:

Your yard, or your parents..
I'd guess the latter. Can't think of too many homeowners that are going to want that kind of monstrosity in their front yard.

-tom
I know I wouldn't.

nixen
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

said by 45071419:

said by nixen:

said by rawgerz:

Your yard, or your parents..
I'd guess the latter. Can't think of too many homeowners that are going to want that kind of monstrosity in their front yard.

-tom
I know I wouldn't.
I'm in Jacksonville, FL, this week on buisness. I've noticed locations that have boxes of similar size. The difference between them and the AT&T ones is that these have all been painted a dull, matte green. They tend to be much less obtrusive than had they been painted white. Dunno why AT&T doesn't just do everyone a favor and paint the things to blend in a bit more.

-tom
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Ever hear of bushes to cover them up?

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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

said by whoamIoramI:

Ever hear of bushes to cover them up?
Look at the pictures, there is no way to plant bushes around them. They are planting them in the section between the sidewalk and the street.
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

I concur. And look how close they are to the sidewalk.

You just CAN'T avoid it.. it almost looks like someone left a dryer outside for the trash guys to pick up, now who really would want that PERMANENTLY in their yard??


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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

Be funny if someone tries to pick it up thinking its a discarded dryer :P
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You know that's a crossbox, right? It has nothing to do with lightspeed and they've been plunking those down in those spots since before you were born.
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

said by bogey780:

You know that's a crossbox, right? It has nothing to do with lightspeed and they've been plunking those down in those spots since before you were born.
And I betting those boxes being displayed have been there a while.
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I would swap the boxes for the one's they have installed here. The box location is on three sides in HUGE orange and black stick on letters.

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said by rawgerz:

I concur. And look how close they are to the sidewalk.

You just CAN'T avoid it.. it almost looks like someone left a dryer outside for the trash guys to pick up, now who really would want that PERMANENTLY in their yard??


Underground vault.

nixen
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said by whoamIoramI:

Ever hear of bushes to cover them up?
Can't. They have to be accessible in case they need to do service.

-tom
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So should we ban electrical transformers too?

nixen
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Re: Must be something in the water in Illinois...

said by bogey780:

So should we ban electrical transformers too?
The transformer boxes in any area I've lived in were low-slung and painted a dull green to at least sort of blend in.

-tom
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I used to work for the utilities... first thing they do when someone plants bushes around a utility box and it needs service is cut down the shrubbery.

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Soooooo why not make them spend a few bucks on a little land scaping or maybe make them put up some sort of wood/vynal/pvc fence around them?

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Who's smarter now?
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I've uploaded 12 photos, taken today (2/23/07) of the Itasca Pink Boxes to CableTV.com.

»cabletv.com/t-project-lightspeed···ink.html

hdtvtechno

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Re: Photos of Itasca Pink Boxes

said by Jonathan Kramer :

I've uploaded 12 photos, taken today (2/23/07) of the Itasca Pink Boxes to CableTV.com.

»cabletv.com/t-project-lightspeed···ink.html
OMG too girly and gayish... lol
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Don't screw with AT$T

Those boys will wreck you.

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Wiretapping Equipment

Their NSA wiretapping equipment had to be put in place probably so they can properly monitor everyone's activities.. I wouldn't trust ATT for a damn bit. They data mind and admit to giving all your information to the NSA without court order...

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Re: Wiretapping Equipment

said by jc100:

Their NSA wiretapping equipment had to be put in place probably so they can properly monitor everyone's activities.. I wouldn't trust ATT for a damn bit. They data mind and admit to giving all your information to the NSA without court order...
Agreed. I had american thieves & thugs briefly many many years ago. Their service was horrible then and the thought of them now being my home phone, cell phone and internet provider makes me cringe.
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Actual reason of outage

Severed cable hangs up phone service

COPLEY NEW SERVICE

Published Thursday, February 22, 2007

PEORIA - An AT&T fiber-optic cable accidentally cut near Joliet jammed phones in central Illinois Wednesday evening, officials said.

AT&T land lines and cell phones were affected, along with Nextel, Sprint, Verizon and U.S. Cellular cell phones because these companies apparently share routing lines with AT&T, local phone representatives said. The sporadic outages lasted from about 3 to 8 p.m., AT&T spokesman Chris Comes said, and stretched from the Metro East area to Joliet.

Comes said Wednesday evening he could not verify the cause of the outage.

But local law enforcement, including Peoria County Sheriff Mike McCoy and Creve Coeur Police Chief Michael Button, said they were told it was because of a cut cable in Joliet.

“Somehow a main line got cut,” Button said. “They’ve got a crew on it, and it’s supposed to be fixed relatively quickly because it’s an emergency line.”

Law enforcement reported people were able to call 911 from land lines, but not cell phones.

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George W. Bush's fault

hehe just had to

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Re: George W. Bush's fault

But in the 90's, Clinton used the word "box", so it the blame clearly lies with the previous administration.

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charge em

I would a box im my backyard but they would have to pay me monthly charges for space lol.

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Re: charge em

They already "own" the land. Sorry! The municipality gave/sold it to them in the rights-of-way agreements.

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Bombs

I'm surprised the ATFe wasnt called out there. Like those idiots in Boston who though those advertisements were bombs a few weeks back.
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pics

pics of pink boxes?
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just try it..

in some neighborhoods.. I'd give it ONE NIGHT (in some neighborhoods) and someone with spray paint will make it their own.. but it is appropriate since it will be the feminine version of broadband anywho..
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I drive by these everyday!

Its funny, I never took the time to look up what the heck those pink boxes meant. I work in Itasca (at the Gallagher Center) and I drive by one of those boxes every day when I go out for lunch lol. Good to know. Although I live in Naperville and the rich snobs here already chased ATT away
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Re: I drive by these everyday!

AT&T
I put my box in box for you
r3vld
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at least if it was pure fiber like multi gbit links it be nice.

nixen
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said by waynebike:

Although I live in Naperville and the rich snobs here already chased ATT away
Wait, I thought it was the rich snobs the telcos were trying to cherry-pick?

-tom
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It is a bit odd

diverse locales all losing service at the same time?...unless they are all on some kind of obsolete Centrex and the switch ate their homework, it is a little hard to believe they would all go down at the same time.

My take...Kilroy the Engineer wanted to make his own statement.

There is a strange resentment building up with some of the field techs for the ILEC's these days. I have seen it in some of the ones I have worked with, Hurricane Katrina brought it out in a worse way. They complain because people want primo service even during disasters, they want top shelf public services at all times, but will change service to a CLEC at the first price drop.

It will get worse before it gets better.
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Re: It is a bit odd

Nice job reading the thread before posting duder.

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idiotic cabinet design

just like they hide cellular towers to look like pine trees,
they should make panel boxes into the base of a park bench.
that way people would love them, instead of reviling them.
panel boxes must be under eye level to avoid being noticed.
private property owners should be paid right of way fees.
cabinets on public property should be subject to open forum
town council approval regarding placement along sidewalks.
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Re: idiotic cabinet design

'they should make panel boxes into the base of a park bench.'

You don't work on them so the idea of a box that you'd have to crouch to access wouldn't bother you. Nor would the realization that placing electronics so close to ground level invites moisture seepage.

'panel boxes must be under eye level to avoid being noticed.'

Most cabinets are less than 6 foot tall. Most cross connect boxes have the top slightly below eye level.

'private property owners should be paid right of way fees.'

Check the deed.

'cabinets on public property should be subject to open forum
town council approval regarding placement along sidewalks.'

Check right-of-way laws.

Micromanaging the placement of telecommunication services is bad enough from within the company. Having people with zero engineering talent telling Bell where to install equipment is just a bad idea completely.
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Re: idiotic cabinet design

at least if it was pure fiber like multi gbit links it be nice. like at least 5 Gbit.
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there is a town in Ohio that has laws like that. it involves all things in the public right away or for private business. Town is Maumee a burb of Toledo. If you're not paying attention you go right pass the place of business.

They put all their laws into the zoning laws/rules. You never see any telco boxes or cable boxes that i've seen in their town.

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Note to Att

Dont go there skip over that town I know mods will be pissed at this but if that village is having a problem with upgrading fvck'em come to Chicago and you can put a box in my backyard right now for 350$ a month

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Re: Note to Att

said by odreian615:

come to Chicago and you can put a box in my backyard right now for 350$ a month
AT&T's counteroffer: they will put it directly in front of your house and pay you $0.00. did i mention you have no choice in the matter so it's not really an offer or a counteroffer.

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pink boxes

anyone have actual pictures of them?

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id pay someone to...

id pay someone to do a drive by on that cabinent or do a little arson XD
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Re: id pay someone to...

I would do a drive by for free. In fact, I would not complain at all, then I would chain it to my truck and it would disappear.

At the very least, AT&T should have placed them where two property lines meet. Have some common sense, please.

I work in wireless project management, and I build those "tree pole" towers and "stealth" rooftop sites. There is absolutely no need for installing these monstrosities, other than to please some overpaid lazy SOB of a tech who whines about everything, and the fact that AT&T just doesn't care about the consumer.

Equipment cabinets come in all shapes and sizes, and for the person who commented earlier about water migration into a low profile cabinet, that is BS. They have underground vaults that stay completely dry.
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Re: id pay someone to...

But for A$$ to put dig up the ground and put their equipment in there its too much work. Easier for them just to plop those damn things in front of houses.

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Re: id pay someone to...

Quote:
But for A$$ to put dig up the ground and put their equipment in there its too much work. Easier for them just to plop those damn things in front of houses.

Actually, here in San Diego CA, they are burying them in CEV's (Controlled Environmental Vaults)

I know because there have been various contractors digging channels for fiber and power to drop a Litespeed vault right across the street from my condo complex.

Also, San Diego city council has already mandated undergrounding all utility facilities where feasible.

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Re: id pay someone to...

Thanks for that bit about San Diego. But I wonder if this could fly in less affluent areas?

I would pay for it, but would renters and absenteee landlords care?

One point made in this article »www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib···nes.html is that the changes are in older areas, where relatively wealthy property owners would benefit from the underground conversions at the expense of ratepayers.

There are arguments on both sides (money vs. aesthetics) but I like the park bench idea. How about a dog watering fountain? A trash can where dog walkers can toss their dog poop bags? Cubist collage? As already mentioned, the cell phone people have shown us how they have at least put forth the effort to camouflage similar things.

The only comparable thing around here is the crossbox and the traffic signal control cabinet. Of course, the traffic signals are at busy intersections, are smaller, and therefore do not stand out as much.

There are no crossboxes around here exceeding four feet high, and the higher ones are very skinny. Wider ones look like they are three feet tall max.
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telco prison warden

Your getting VDSL and nothing you can do to change at&t's mind.. They're even giving you pink DSLAM remote terminals just to make my point. DSL, not FIBER to the home.
Weak, weak, weak... it's still quite possible the company will spend billions on a product a significant portion of the country will LEAPFROG in just 3 years. Docsis 3.0 implementation is not some fading memory. Much of it can be deployed on curent docis 1.1/2.0 networks in little more than ONE year..

Neeless to say, regardless of what kind of network AT&T has in it's global markets.. the RESIDENTIAL LAST MILE will be an utter JOKE once it is deployed and all of the negative things will come home to roost for AT&T, much the same way domestic auto manufacturers have beeen complacent.. yielding marketshare to competitiors. I can bet AT&T will still be tinkering with DSL technology long into a DOCSIS 3.0 upgrade and while they're struggling to get double digit megabits and hi-def video... cableco will be at multiple hundreds of megabit speeds just to make an example out of at&t's merger!

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Why not?

Why is this an issue? Why not require underground CEV's? I know they aren't always pretty either, but at least 90% of the unit is underground? Or like someone else suggested camouflage it like this. »www.utilitycamo.com/sites.html

Why are they fighting in court to NOT let them install them instead of forcing them to install ones that are no so obtrusive?
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Re: Why not?

The stealth solutions on the web site you referenced are very, very expensive. From my experience in the business, every town wants them, and all of the cell carriers fight back (and spend a ton of money on lawyers). Rarely does the municipality get a "tree pole", unless the site will generate huge dollars once it is operational. Cost is the reason why they are just dumping them wherever it is convenient.

However, as I stated previously, a little common sense on both sides would go a long way. How difficult would it be to actually place the cabinet on a property line? Not very. Why hasn't the town enacted some sort of guideline on utility work to prevent such issues from arising? I think the affected homeowners should start banding together.

As a homeowner myself, if this was placed in my from yard, like that first picture, I would be beside myself. It looks terrible. I have not seen anything like this anywhere I have ever worked.

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The Real Problem

The reason why there is no common sense is that this has very little to do with the boxes or their placement. These municipalities want cable franchises so they can collect their money. AT&T doesn't want to pay those franchises because it's a huge cost and they don't fall under the 1986 Cable Act, they fall under the 1996 Telecom Act.

When cable started offering phone service, the courts and FCC ruled that VOIP service didn't fall under the 1996 Telecom Act because it's a cable service, so all of the rules that apply to telecom (line sharing, CLEC co-location, USF, etc.) don't apply to the cable companies. Cable companies however, under the 1986 Cable Act, are subject to franchise agreements that the local municipality can mandate. Those usually include requiring the cable company to build out to everyone in the area, regardless of whether or not the local residents can afford the service, and usually a big, fat cash payment to the municipality.

AT&T is a telecom company and falls under the 1996 Telecom Act. They are not required to make franchise agreements. This isn't small money either. Here in Milwaukee the city is suing AT&T, trying to force a franchise agreement. The city wants to decide where the service gets rolled out first and wants a nice fat $4 million a year just to be able to offer the service. It's all about the money.
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It takes larger cabinets to keep up with the larger demands

  • Capacity - In order to keep up with increasing telephone on the PSTN (public switched telephone network) such as landline customers & increasing trunks to cell towers & also the extreme jump in internet traffic to DSL customers, business data, internet data centers, & huge traffic demands for data at each cell tower from wireless providers, the telephone company is always laying fiber, updating equipment & both growing and building out more telco "remote" boxes.
  • Demand - With the consumer & business demand for bandwidth & fast connectivity to the telephone backbone the telephone providers are putting larger boxes in the field to accomodate the latest products from telecom equipment providers such as - high speed optical ADM/Regenerators, with everything from ATM to Switched
    Ethernet to IP Platform services, battery backup (for reliability during commercial power failures) as well as room for additional growth.
  • Newer equipment always add the new feature benefits
    • 1950s - to the 1980s - As with each upgrade to a network such as from an old step by step phone switch moving up to the newer digital switch (like a 5ESS or DMS100 switch) with the upgrade more features were available for the phone company to offer (giving customers more options) such as caller id, ISDN, Touchtone / Digitone, *69, etc... (of which they had to ask the PUC for permission to sell).
    • 1990s - to the 200xs - The latest & greatest telco equipment vendors equipment (which is in these boxes larger boxes) carriers the increased capacity for voice (phone service)& data as well as offers more advanced features such as the additional bandwidth for increased switched ethernet (10 gigabit Ethernet), bandwidth capability of IP based video streaming, High speed bandwidths for business/enterprise customer needs and demands, etc....

  • Bandwidth Overload
    • Then - Back 10 years ago you had people that used to just send basic emails & read simple HTML web pages on the internet.
    • Now - We are downloading billions of songs off iTunes, streaming millions of podcasts, Youtube video clips galore, American Idol fans with 20 millions calls to AT&T 800 numbers within 2 hours (believe me I can see the traffic hit those digital switches & toll trunks to AT&T LD), unlimited long distance, streaming videos & calls to hundreds of cell phones from a single cell phone tower (which are fed by the local telephone company to connect to their tandem or carried over to the wireless providers POP).

  • Cellular, paging, internet, VOIP - it's all telco in the mix - Just to let you know the local telephone not only carries all it's own landline calls but also carries every cell phone call on both on the side of the caller & called party, every page, point of purchase, bank transaction, credit card, internet traffic, even internet surfing on cable broadband goes back to be carried by the telephone company to get to the telephone backbone.
    • Example # 1 - Example of mobile 2 mobile: T-Mobile -> telco -> Cingular.
    • Example # 2 - Example of cable internet: Comcast(ic) Broadband -> telco -> AT&T Backbone -> Data Center -> server.
    • Extreme - This is extreme & requires extreme actions such as laying fiber & building out telco "remote boxes" to keep up with demand & so what if the newer telco equipment also allows AT&T or Qwest to offer some type of IP based video service & incorporate a set top because your gonna see TV over IP through it's internet portal or
      somone elses like youtube since our connection speeds are so much faster.

  • Operating a world class network & it's responsibility - Like them or not, agree or disagree, AT&T along with other local telephone companies carry an extremely huge task. If the city is so worried that someone might view some videos over an IP based connection & not get paid their franchise fee then maybe they issue an ordinance telling people not to log onto youtube or yahoo video or download so much off iTunes nor make thousands of calls after American Idol airs because they don't want AT&T to upgrade the network & leave it be in the 1990's.
  • City politics - Having a city challenge over the decor, aeshetics, & size of some telco cabinets which will enhance the the communications infrastructure city wide & increase capacity & reliablility which in turn will add value & will definitely cause the cable provider to give customers discounted cable service if they perceive that their customers may opt for an IP based (internet) video service such as say "AT&T Uverse".
    • What about the others - I didn't see the city stop Vonage or Skype or the cable company from offering IP based "digital" phone service.
    • Those ugly utility cabinets - I feel as if there are other utility company eye sores to balk at such as miles of aerial power cable, telephone poles, ugly transformers boxes, unsightly sewer drains for water run off?
    • Vanity - This opposition is about as silly passing an ordinance making all cars with rust on it may be towed by the city away at owners expense because it is unsightly.

cbianco

join:2006-07-25
San Antonio, TX

etc...

Simple solution;
1. tie one end of a rope around the box,
2. tie the other end of that same rope to your ball hitch,
3. drive away.

I will admit that the box is fugly. Either we can deal with the box and have communication services or we don't have the box and we don't have communication services.

Christopher
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wilbilt
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Oroville, CA

Re: etc...

said by cbianco:

Simple solution;
1. tie one end of a rope around the box,
2. tie the other end of that same rope to your ball hitch,
3. drive away.
4. Get arrested.
5. Get convicted for terrorism (destroying communications infrastructure).
6. Go to Federal Prison for a long time.

Sure. That sounds like a great idea.....not.
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A rose is a rose is a rose.,
no matter the name,
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IL, MO, OK, AR and parts of Kansas have been held captive by a death grip to the jugular by Bell for at least 65 years. Competition does not exist; FCC is ignored, and so is the US Department of DOJ which dismantled the vicious giant in the 60s. Nothing has changed except the name. It is till proprietary, mean spirited and the employees still tell bigger lies than a DC politicians to get your signature on the dotted line. The "cut" line is just business as usual - a warning shot to the city. If they don't play ball with Bell the city won't have to worry about boxes; there won't be any phone service for any one for any reason at all. I dropped Bell last summer for Vonage. I hope to be moving to a very small town where Bell doesn't exist, it never did exist and it probably never will exist. PS: When I turned off Bell. I disconnected the phone box outside so I could install Vonage throughout the house. The most amazing thing happened. POOF! Just like magic my house addy disappeared from the Bell database. I don't exist. I don't get AT&T canned PHONE messages, I don't get the JUNK mail, and I don't get the SPAM. I'm almost invisible.

It's wonderful. .
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