phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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Hearing about the RIAA/MPAA these days is about as bad as an annoying pop-up ad. 
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KeepOnRockin
Music Lover Forever
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join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR
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1 edit | Hell Froze Over
For once, I actually agree with the RIAA.
It is the individual user's responsibility to secure their wireless network!
If people don't know how, find someone who does or look it up online. Most (if not all) manufacturers of wireless routers have at least some security built into their devices. Ignorance is no excuse!
[please no bad analogies comparing open wi-fi hotspots to other things; for everyone's sake  ] |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26 | Listen to them
crying a river right up your arse  |
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
1 edit |  Hear those RIAA goosesteps?
Wi-Fi DRM coming to a hotspot near you!  
Maybe(maybe?) the new law to require RIAA approved filtering & executable for Wireless will make it into the next Iraq spending bill or hidden in a "child protection act". Because of course no one is against Child Protection or more lost pallets of cash in Iraq right? 
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Chiyo
Save Me Konata-Chan
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join:2003-02-20
Minneapolis, MN
clubs: | These stories are getting OLD! I mean c'mon the AA won't get any sympathy from anyone here. |
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dr3yec
join:2002-12-19
00000 | When is enough?
Just more bad PR for the RIAA/MPAA. With all this bad PR, are artists really backing these Organizations? These groups cant be good for business. The more they try to stop file sharing. The bigger it gets. When will the artist have enough? |
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
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Re: Hear those RIAA goosesteps?
Well, There is someone in Taylor, Mi. that would disagree.
Not to mention receptive politicans. I still have a letter from House Rep. Bobby Rush whom thinks the DMCA DOESN'T go far enough! It was his reply to my letter of disapproval over the INDUCE ACT fight. |
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AnonProxy
Proxy of Anon
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join:2001-05-12
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Re: When is enough?
Really going to screw up business models for people that have wi-fi (even secured use). Now they are responsible for "everything" I know I wouldn't want to be in that business...
Also what about schools and libraries and such? Or the free wi-fi that some muni's are doing? Now the town would be responsible?
SO the "free Internet projects" would go out the window.... |
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fancydancer
Perception is reality
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join:2002-08-28
Springfield, IL
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| Coffee shops....?
What about coffee shops, airports that allow free Wi-Fi access? Are they going to hire someone to be on-site to secure each customer's laptop that wants to use their hotspot? Gimme a break!
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to KeepOnRockin
Re: Hell Froze Over
What about businesses that provide WiFi hotspots as a cuteousy to customers? |
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MASantangelo
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join:2004-07-19
Pittstown, NJ
| The Next Step Is....
For the RIAA/MPAA to demand a loophole in all wireless encryption schemes that allows them to connect to your network and check any and all files on your computers. Cuz you know, it's hard to sue everyone when all you have is an IP address - it's so much easier if they just have access to your network directly. Clearly this the only justifiable next step!
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It's really simple. _I_ paid for my router. _I_ pay for my internet access. My ISP says that so long as I'm not doing uber constant uploading (which I limit through router firmware and such) then they don't care what I'm doing (short of running a business off my home connection. To that end, no one has the right to tell me what to do with my equipment. No one.
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | reply to KeepOnRockin
Re: Hell Froze Over
um hm. And when someone exploits your secured wifi through a new method and starts uploading the RIAA precious, don't whine to us when then sue you. |
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HiVolt
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
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said by KeepOnRockin  :For once, I actually agree with the RIAA. It is the individual user's responsibility to secure their wireless network! So if its secured, and its cracked? There are millions of routers out there that only have WEP for security, and is easily cracked.
Will the RIAA push for those old routers to be outlawed? These people just don't know when to stop.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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Re: When is enough?
said by AnonProxy :SO the "free Internet projects" would go out the window.... Not necessarily. They just need an authentication mechanism. While I don't agree with RIAA's stance based on the fact that it's logistic overkill and will cost consumers extra $$ in the end, it is possible to free projects and businesses to authenticate users. If this comes to pass, which I seriously doubt, the **AA's would still need a warrant to "legally" obtain information from such projects. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
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| If you leave your wireless open
Then you have the SAME RIGHTS as an ISP. That means you have a safe harbour provision, which frees you from any liability. It doesn't matter if you left it open by mistake, or for free. It doesn't matter if you don't keep logs. The FACT is that you were ACTING as an ISP for someone, and the RIAA knows that. What they are trying to do is make '2 classes' of ISP's. One class, the megacorp, will bend over and hand over records. The other class is the end user ISP. They want to make those people responsible, even though they are ACTING like an ISP.
The RIAA can't win. Period.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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Re: The Next Step Is....
said by MASantangelo :no one has the right to tell me what to do with my equipment. No one. They're not trying to tell you what to do with your equipment, they just want you to be liable for what happens with your equipment. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
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Re: When is enough?
But what information would they get from a 'free project'. The fact that SOMEONE used an IP address at this point in time? When I use FREE wi-fi, I most certainly do NOT enter my name and phone number to use it. FREE = Anonymous. THAT is what terrifies the RIAA.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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Re: If you leave your wireless open
I would need to look at the rulings, but "acting" like an ISP is not necessarily the same thing as "being" an ISP. Just because you leave your WAP open doesn't make you an ISP and therefore most likely wouldn't fall under the same rights as an ISP. Now if you want to establish a business entity and use a business account, you could then fall under the service providers' rights. |
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DownTheShore
Maddie Knows Poopie
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join:2003-12-02
Beautiful NJ
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| Ah, Any Day Is A Happy Day...
...when the RIAA loses a case. Makes up in a tiny way for all the grief they've put some people through.
Whoever mentioned in an earlier post about which artists are still supporting the RIAA's tactics brought up an interesting point. Who, exactly, is supporting them, and why should those of us, who do actually still buy the music we listen to, continue to support artists who employ and condone such a Gestapo-like organization?
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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Re: When is enough?
Free != Anonymous.
I agree, it's an extra logistical and financial headache, but it could be done. As for what the **AA's could gain with a legal search and seizure effort, they could gain the IP information assigned to you (based on your pre-established acct info [doesn't have to be a paid acct]) for specific time periods. |
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