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The way this is written makes no sense whatsoever. Lucent was annoyed at Fraunhofer Institute so they sued MS???
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exocet_cm
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| Well Karl posted it (I don't know if he wrote it).
Re-read it slowly, maybe twice over. It makes sense, just gotta read it and make a time line in your mind.
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MS will dodge this one with their highly paid lawyers.
Plus, the story seems to have more than meets the eye. |
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Re: Who wrote this snippet?
said by exocet_cm  :Re-read it slowly, maybe twice over. It makes sense, just gotta read it and make a time line in your mind. LOL 
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| said by Guru :said by exocet_cm :Re-read it slowly, maybe twice over. It makes sense, just gotta read it and make a time line in your mind. LOL How did you come up with that method? Public school man! 
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Karl Bode
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Re: MS will never pay
The good thing here is that while Microsoft is getting sued and is at 70k employees, Google is NOT losing billion dollar lawsuits and is at 10k employees if you go by Yahoo figures. Eventually Google will surpass Microsoft in size AND scope while Microsoft gets hit with 1.2 Billion dollar lawsuits consistently. This wont be the last lawsuit against Microsoft and the dollar amounts will ONLY get higher.
1.2 Billion is only a fraction from Microsoft's cash coffers but its being spent on lawsuits and not for R+D and investments in the firm. |
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TechieZero
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Wow & "Ironically Microsoft is Alcatel-Lucent's main IPTV service platform partner, and their technology is at the heart of AT&T's U-Verse IPTV service.." good Broadband NEWS save. |
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AnonProxy
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ß | MS will not have to pay...
you watch and see this will be overturned because it was a BAD decision. |
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rradina
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I understand Microsoft licensed the technology and paid fees to Fraunhofer. How is Fraunhofer awarded a patent to which a company pays them fees if a third party can win a judgement for that same technology?
Obviously Fraunhofer may not have a valid patent but if true, will Fraunhofer be sued by MS for damages resulting from the false patent?
My guess is $1.5B can be absorbed by MS but if MS is successful at passing those damages to Fraunhofer, it would ruin them.
Although I think the amount is questionable, the jury must have convincing facts that Lucent has reasonable claim. Somewhere inside Microsoft there's a very nervous patent lawyer who advised them that they only had to pay Fraunhofer. |
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Re: MS will never pay
Yeah, Google just buys $1.65 billion in worthless internet video companies. How could one search company become so powerful? I mean Yahoo and MSN Live and Ask.com do the same thing. I guess the creative "playing with legos" act paid off. It seems like ever since they went public they have just been buying companies instead of actually producing something themselves. |
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Kearnstd
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Re: Doesn't make sense...
trust me if MS where to take legal action against Fraunhofer i bet the RIAA would join in(since they created MP3 and thats what most pirate songs are.....)
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said by rradina :the jury must have convincing facts that Lucent has reasonable claim. Juries for corporate cases don't give a crap about either company. Do you think any of those jury members can even relate to $1.5 billion dollars or even put into perspective? Only when it involves someone vs. the government is when people care because they don't want their tax money going to someone else. |
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Karl Bode
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Re: Wow
Actually that's a pretty big angle considering they together provide IPTV service to many of the world's largest telcos... |
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GilbertMark
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MS will pay, but it will be in the form of vouchers to purchase their fine products... |
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majortom1029
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THis will get overturned considering microsoft liscenced the tech from the other company who helped form the ,mp3 standard. |
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Why would they go after anyone other than Microsoft? They have the implementation in their os's, which account for most personal computers. I don't believe however this will effect them at all. In addition I think the comment about Google surpassing Windows is just silly. Sure you can see a short term profit, and long term do to the sheer amount of money they can take and re-invest into other profitable things, but straight up Microsoft has more cash and assets, and just imagine what 50 Billion dollars can earn in interest in a day. |
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Re: MS will never pay
Likely scenario:
1- The judge will reduce the award considerably. Juries are notorious for over-awarding judgments, especially against very large corporations.
2- MS will still appeal anyway, even if the award is reduced, so as not to set a precedent in future cases.
3- An Appeals court in Wash,DC is much more likely to override the decision than any California Court.
4- Final resolution sometime in 2010 or after.
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Re: Who wrote this snippet?
Lucent owned the patent before Frauhofer got involved. It is quite amazing the breadth of patents Bell Labs and IBM have.
Now, Alcatel could go after everyone else on the MP3 issue, which includes maybe Apple?
This was news yesterday in the NY Times.
"The judgment is part of litigation by Alcatel to enforce claims related to Bell Labs patents. The case was initially brought against Dell and Gateway, which make computers using Microsoft software. Other trials are pending for technology related to speech recognition, user interfaces and video processing." |
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Re: MS will never pay
said by Prentiss :The good thing here is that while Microsoft is getting sued and is at 70k employees, Google is NOT losing billion dollar lawsuits and is at 10k employees if you go by Yahoo figures. Eventually Google will surpass Microsoft in size AND scope while Microsoft gets hit with 1.2 Billion dollar lawsuits consistently. This wont be the last lawsuit against Microsoft and the dollar amounts will ONLY get higher. 1.2 Billion is only a fraction from Microsoft's cash coffers but its being spent on lawsuits and not for R+D and investments in the firm. And how is that good? Because MS is evil and Google is altruistic. That is a very poor reading of the relative underlying motives of a corporation. Neither is good or evil. And Google is no better or worse than MS in its future goal of making huge profits for the shareholders.
Your Google fanboy attitude is sadly naive.
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