yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | Won't go anywhere
We know how well working with the devil worked for Napster. At least now there are many bittorrent clients that are independent of BitTorrent Inc so they aren't going away any time soon. |
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Mactron
el camino Real
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join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
| My Bandwith
So what's the advantage to this? They use my Bandwidth for DRMd movies and make even more money !??
Not on my upload they don't ! This will go nowhere fast. 
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
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| That's not what torrents are for
What kind of DRM are they putting on it? Month long rentals? DRM for sure. The MPAA just doesn't get it. People are NOT GOING TO PAY for something restricted. If they offered the TV shows in DVD quality for download, sure, I'd buy it. But I would need the ability to burn it to DVD. If they offered the movies for download in DVD quality, sure, I'd buy it. But again, If it's not cheaper than me renting it at blockbuster and making a copy, I'm not going to spend my money.
Give me a DVD movie for $5.00, and I'll download it.
Give me a TV show for .25 cents, and I'll download it.
Charge me $25.00 for a movie, or $2.00 for a TV show, and I'll still download it, it just won't be from you, I'll get it from thepiratebay.org
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RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
·XMission
| But will it work?
As I recall, the premise of BitTorrent is that everyone shares in the download/upload stream so as to spread the bandwidth. If they use BitTorrent to sell *AA sanctioned goods, then the people who buy the goods are also helping sell the product by providing some of their paid bandwidth for someone else to make money, like the *AA's?
Or as one person was quoted: “The sad thing is, it’s not about the money,” he said. “I’m not interested in renting a movie. I want to own it. I want total portability. I want to give a copy to my brother. Digital convergence is supposed to make things like this easier, but D.R.M. is making them harder.”
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brandon
Some truth included in this post.
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join:2003-03-31
Hurley, MS
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to karlmarx
Re: That's not what torrents are for
said by karlmarx  :Give me a DVD movie for $5.00, and I'll download it. Give me a TV show for .25 cents, and I'll download it. Why stop there? Why not DVDs for $3.00 and TV shows for 15 cents.
WAIT! I HAVE IT! WHY NOT DVDS FOR $1.00 AND TV SHOWS FOR 5 CENTS.
Wait a minute...why stop there? How about DVDs for 50 cents and TV shows for 3 pennies?
Oh crap let's just give it all away!
karlmarx, you know there is no end to your perpetual whining. If they were selling them at the price points you were asking, you would ask for lower. If they were selling for lower than your price points, you'd ask for lower, until you simply asked for them for free.
Don't believe me? Fine. Then answer this. Why are you willing to pay $5.00 for a DVD? It's an arbitrary amount that you came up with, with no regard to cost of production or distribution, that you feel would be good. What about the people out there that feel that $10.00 for a DVD is a good price (you still pay $20 in the store)? What about those that can't afford the $5.00 price point you suggested? They're going to say that your arbitrary $5.00 is too much.
The fact is, these sales still have to make a profit, so they have to pay enough to cover production costs, distribution costs, and still pay employees (not everyone is a rich exec in the MPAA). If you don't want to pay for something because you feel it costs too much, fine. Don't buy it. But don't turn around and steal it. I sure would like a Ferarri, but it costs too much. Doesn't mean I'm just going to steal it off the lot. |
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snipper_cr
join:2002-01-22
Wheaton, IL
clubs:
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I really cant wait to see what DRM these videos are going to be completely crippled by. You know for sure they will not allow it to be burnt to DVD. I am sure it will have relatively low to medium quality with stereo sound. If they really want to complete the picture, they will probably force you to install some propriatary software that has serious glitches and compatability issues. Ultimately, the service will be so useless and crippled by DRM that no one will use it.
Now, those are just my 2 bytes...that is all
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to brandon
copying isn't stealing. If I take a ferrari, they can't sell it. If I COPY a movie, they didn't loose any money, because I wouldn't have paid in the first place.
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sago
join:2001-12-19
| hard copies
If you really think about it, if things are "online", why on earth do you even need to "burn" anything? Of course we're not there yet, and maybe wasting bandwidth and getting kicked off by your ISP for bandwidth abuse if you like to watch the same movie over and over again, but think about it... If, say, for instance, a company like Netflix digitizes their collection, where I can search for a movie, and then download it and watch it, or better yet - stream it to my HDTV, why on earth do I need a hard copy, or a "disk" of anything?
Obviously, we're not there yet, but If I had to download even 20,000 DVDs and burn them it would take a long, long, long, long time. It would be a full time job. What is needed is this: an on-demand type service that streams these things to your TV set. So easy that a caveman can do it. (sorry, caveman). No burning, no downloading, no getting booted by your ISP for excessive bandwidth consumption, and so on. 20,000 movies in full DVD quality -- on demand 24/7. Or 50,000 movies. Or 70,000 movies. You can't burn that many disks without losing your mind. Who needs disks, really?
It could be pay-per-view, or, for more money, unlimited on-demand. A modest montly fee for unlimited access to tens of thousands of full DVD quality movies. At your fingertips. It doesn't get much better than that. It's easier than torrent, or usenet. Add in the cost of blanks, your time, your patience, perhaps a usenet account, that worry on your backburner -- and an "unlimited" on-demand service (a good one), even if it's approaching $100 per month -- I mean, think about it -- tens of thousands of movies at your fingertips, legally, without any kind of bulky hard-copy disks taking up space anywhere. It's the ultimate solution. Still a ways off, but I do think that essentially the future is in on-demand.
It would be the ultimate solution to the filesharing problem to the extent it would be easier and perhaps not significantly more expensive -- at least, considering the time you have to put into it -- download, burn, wait around, worry about things -- if you can go legit for a reasonable fee, and have access to tens of thousands of full-DVD quality movies in an on-demand setting, why bother with torrents? Why "rent" anything? Just click your remote and start watching.
This is what we eventually need, once the bandwidth is there, and perhaps if cable companies or satellite companies or fiber companies will allow third-party on-demand providers in. The movies are always there - it's like you instantly "own", or "have access to" a HUGE collection.
The studios could eliminate the cost of producing the DVDs, and just get straight royalties from the on-demand service every time someone played a film. Independent filmmakers would have a way to get their work to a larger audience. Consumers would be overwhelmed by choice. It's probably just that us human beings are silly creatures - it's like we're cavemen but we don't know it (in aggreggate, anyway). |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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 ·Comcast
| reply to Mactron
Re: My Bandwith
said by Mactron :So what's the advantage to this? They use my Bandwidth for DRMd movies and make even more money !?? Not on my upload they don't ! This will go nowhere fast. And cable companies will look to crack down on those users doing excessive uploading as usual. And becoming a de-facto server for Bittorrent's service will only speed your way to reaching the upload caps.
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davisx
join:2005-01-06
| reply to sago
Re: hard copies
I think the most important point (that has already been brought up as well) is why the heck am i going to upload something that i've paid for? what kind of business model is this?
it's ridiculous. unless of course it is cheaper and pricing is based on how much you upload |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to brandon
Re: That's not what torrents are for
NEWS FLASH!!!!
I rent DVDs NOW for $0.99 each.
I BUY DVDs for $5.99 in the bargain bins... $20.00 for a limited DRMed POS? Byte Me!
All that garbage *AND* wanting to use my bandwidth? Not happening!
This is one of the dumbest ideas yet!
Starting a pool, I say 6 months and it folds.
Who else?
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | reply to sago
Re: hard copies
Burn the DVD... so I/we can play it in the livingroom on the DVD player?
Naw, screw that, huh?
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
| reply to yabos
Re: Won't go anywhere
You can buy TV shows for $1.99 and rent movies only (movies expire withint 24 hrs of you start watching them or within 30 days if you don't watch). It requires Windows Media Player 11.
Kinda sucks!
No Ipod, Zen, or other support like Amazon Unbox. |
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | reply to dadkins
Re: That's not what torrents are for
I give it 5 months. I bet my three pennies and a string (shipping and handling not included)
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thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| Why will this fail? Because...
I cannot restate better than I did two months ago why this service will suck. Some of it doesn't apply 100%, but the point still applies, IMO. »The reasons, let's list!
quote:
a) Selection. The chances of an old obscure movie being on one of these services vs emule is so tilted in emule's favor, because everyone gets to contribute, not just a few people who think they may have gotten every movie people will care about.
b) Choice. Do I want a 720p x264 for the HDTV? Do I want a moderate sized file at 960x544? Do I want a lower quality one for a normal TV or a portable at 624x352, or cross compatibility across devices that can't handle?
Do I want the original DVD? Do I want a DVD shrunk with CCE? Do I want a 1 CD xvid, or a 2 CD xvid of that movie?
c) Codec. x264 and xvid are better than DivX and whatever else they'll be using. I'm sure they'll encode using the worst settings regardless of what codec they use anyway.
Right now, the standard for buying music is 128k WMA or AAC. At least eMusic has it right with --alt-preset standard MP3s. If they encode video as well as they encode audio, it'll be awful. 128k isn't bad, it's sampling quality. I don't pay for samples.
If I want to buy from the iTunes music store, I want a choice. Do I want AAC, do I want FLAC, do I want MP3, do I want Vorbis? This issue hasn't even been addressed in the music market, much less the video one.
d) Freedom. DRM? No DRM. Am I going to replace my Cowon A2 that cost $330 at time of purchase with something else, that's probably worse, so I can play their video? Hell no!
DRM locks you into using only certain players, with certain formats. It's so easy for companies to abuse, it nearly destroys free market.. imagine if there were more major chip makers than intel and AMD, say ten, and each one had a different PSU standard. ATX, CTX, JTX. Imagine it changes over time for each chip maker. That's kind of like the current state of DRM.
e) Price. Downloadable video costs almost as much as the original, why the hell do I want to pay as much for a compressed file as I can for the original?
People are willing to pay - see giganews, UNS, newshosting. See people upgrading from 768/128 $17/month DSL to $45/month cable, or better DSL, or fiber. See the average consumer buying 750 GB drives because he ran out of space on his 500. The issue isn't in the price. Overall, it's freedom. It's "I don't want you controlling content I pay for." I want a choice in what I pay for, and that's what the content cartels either get but don't want to admit, or are dumb enough to not get. Either way, it's killing them.
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
| reply to karlmarx
Re: That's not what torrents are for
said by karlmarx :What kind of DRM are they putting on it? Month long rentals? DRM for sure. The MPAA just doesn't get it. People are NOT GOING TO PAY for something restricted. If they offered the TV shows in DVD quality for download, sure, I'd buy it. But I would need the ability to burn it to DVD. If they offered the movies for download in DVD quality, sure, I'd buy it. But again, If it's not cheaper than me renting it at blockbuster and making a copy, I'm not going to spend my money. Give me a DVD movie for $5.00, and I'll download it. Give me a TV show for .25 cents, and I'll download it. Charge me $25.00 for a movie, or $2.00 for a TV show, and I'll still download it, it just won't be from you, I'll get it from thepiratebay.org Bittorent
You can buy TV shows for $1.99 and rent movies only (movies expire withint 24 hrs of you start watching them or within 30 days if you don't watch). It requires Windows Media Player 11. |
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one_bored_si
join:2003-03-10
Montebello, CA
·AT&T Yahoo
| Same crap, different toliet
The same people come on all the time to whine about this or that, who cares anymore? The people that want to pay will keep paying, the people that want to DL movies will continue doing so. Not more than two days go by on this site without some recycled discussion about file sharing/DRM/**AA. Maybe this site needs more tech news or stories not related to above subject(s).
Just my .02 dollars. |
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BIGMIKE
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA | Why would anyone pay for One and zeros?
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to one_bored_si
This is tech news.
There is no way I want to download these crap DRMed movies with/on my tech!
I *CAN* download any movie I wish, sometimes before it is released(actual DVD rips, not Cams)... but since most new(all?) movies suck, what would be the point?
Pay for DRMed, time limited movies in God knows what format or quality? Not even on YOUR computer friend!
Ya don't like these news articles, yet you take time to read *AND* post in them? 
A well...
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snipper_cr
join:2002-01-22
Wheaton, IL
clubs:
1 edit | reply to dadkins
Re: That's not what torrents are for
Four months and I raise your bet a spindle of blank DVD DLs!
Edit: Five months already betted on!
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