L337
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join:2005-03-10
Chicago, IL | What about Chicago?
What about meee....!!! |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | why do you want wireless in chicago? Thats like the broadband hub on the US. hehe
I feel sorry for rural Ill, so much farm area they need wireless more. |
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lkviewguy
join:2004-02-13
Chicago, IL | because we don't have it |
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Obliteration
Premium
join:2005-09-18
Somewhere
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said by markopoleo  :why do you want wireless in chicago? Thats like the broadband hub on the US. hehe I feel sorry for rural Ill, so much farm area they need wireless more. The better question is... Why wouldn't I want wireless in Chicago?
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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| I have yet to figure out...
Why NJ, the most densely-populated state in the US, with a very high median income, lags so far behind in deployment of so many of these technologies. It can't be the regulations; the state legislature does everything but janitorial services for the telcos and electric companies here. |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | What about Wireless WIFI in cleveland?
Isn't it time for Cleveland, Ohio to get wireless broadband besides the Verizon wireless's laggy system.
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
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 ·Speakeasy
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Re: What about Chicago?
said by lkviewguy :because we don't have it Err... The quote in the article intro seems to say you do:
“AT&T is completing system upgrades that should make wireless broadband service available in Springfield and Bloomington by midsummer”, which will be “the company's first broadband wireless service (in Illinois) outside Chicago”.
To me, that reads as though they already serve Chicago, but they are now expanding elsewhere.
So, maybe you should call AT&T for info?
-tom
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inurenegade
join:2006-06-11
Wilmington, DE | if only...
if only high speed internet and cable tv was as competitive as wireless broadband and phone providers were |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | reply to TScheisskopf
Re: I have yet to figure out...
youcan say that about the US as a whole why our rich country lags behind south korea |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| 3G is good for rural
Oh great, capping'R us is building out. Its good ATT is building out. 3G is the only real hope rural areas have for broadband right now, and its not a really bad competitor to HSI, but its always a massive speed upgrade compared to rural dialup (15-28kbs). 3G is here and orderable and available, wimax is limited and expensive and available only in major cities. According to Alltel's coverage maps, most of Kansas has 3G (EVDO). Even if you dont get 2nd gen 3G (EVDO/HSDPA), 1st gen 3G is still a couple times faster than rural dialup (mid 100 kbs for EDGE, 90s and low 100s kbs for 1X). |
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joelliot
join:2002-01-28
West Warwick, RI | reply to TScheisskopf
Re: I have yet to figure out...
It's almost impossible to get a tower put in in NJ |
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firebird
join:2002-03-22
Moline, IL | reply to odreian615
US is a little larger than South Korea!! |
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firebird
join:2002-03-22
Moline, IL | South Korea is 39,000 sq miles
The State of Virginia is 39,000 sq miles... |
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SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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join:2000-03-03
Pompton Lakes, NJ
·Optimum Online
·Cingular Wireless
| reply to odreian615
what is with the continuing comparisons to South Korea?
There is no comparison for density in South Korea as SEOUL has 48%+ of the entire So Korea population making it the 2nd densest city in the world lead only by Tokyo. And they live in huge apartment blocks, not suburban homes. New York Metro which is ranked #4 and the densest city in the US, has 50% more sq miles to cover and less than HALF the population. NY Metro has HALF the density per sq mile of Seoul's Metro.
The cost per mile of laying cable, fiber or whatever other tech you may wish gives you one of the highest possible pass-by rates in the world. That means that the return on investment for is at least double and more likely higher due to labor cost differences between the US and So. Korea. (Let's not forget that the So Korean government laid the infrastructure.)
Cablevision aka OOL, covers 70% NY Metro area (NY, NJ, LI, Conn). It offers 15mps/2mps standard service for $49 before discounts, 30/5 mps service for a small premium of $10-15 extra, and is rolling out 50/50 mps in some areas for $199/mo.
The per capita income in So. Korea is about $20K. The per captia income in the US is about $26K in 2008. In Metro NY in 2003, the per capita income is $41K. I say to you, that on a basis of per capita income the percentage for monthly cost of bandwidth in So Korea ($25) and the NY Metro area ($50) are similar. That based on the size of the infrastructure, SoK's (13K miles) being less than a third the size of NY Metro's (CV's is 35K miles and only covers 70% of metro NY) that they are profiting more - especially since the infrastructure itself was built by the government not the companies that offer the services on it, which just lease the 90% overbuild that the government did. But I will also point out to you that while SoK's penetration is 50% of homes with broadband, CV's OOL also has 50% penetration, maybe greater today and has no download caps though they don't like sustained continuous uploads at the maximum rate. So, when everyone brings up So. Korea as the broadband capital of the world, what are they talking about? The 26,000 cyber cafes? The 5 million that play online games each night? Or that they have 10 million on 13Kmiles of fiber infrastructure? Verizon is going to lay 35Kmiles of fiber in West Virginia alone.
I think that the So Korea comparisons have to stop. They are not significant unless you take similar density and sq miles into account. And btw, So K's average speed is 2.5mbps. I got that with my DSL line years ago, actually I qualified for 8mbps but thought that the $99/mo at a time was too high.
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SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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Pompton Lakes, NJ
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said by firebird :South Korea is 39,000 sq miles The State of Virginia is 39,000 sq miles... and WEST Virginia which is not as big as Virginia is going to require 35K miles of fiber while So Korea only has 13Kmiles. They have a lot of uncovered territory, but then only 12% of So Korea's land is actually populated.
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L337
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Chicago, IL | reply to patcat88
Re: 3G is good for rural
I'm just very disappointed they don't have Wireless already in Chicago, think how flexible that will be for business personals. 3G is outdated already man... 4G is already out, 4G is already installed in China. Their really out numbering us. |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Ya right, wake me when it is over.
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Competitive pricing and faster speeds will help determine which company will win out in the area in the end.
Just like with cell phones it only makes for a better hustle, more fine print and charges on your bill you don't understand. Two competing systems can not operate as cheaply as one. When will they ever learn? Never as there is one boren every minute. |
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dmeyer
join:2002-08-14
Austin, TX
| What about IN?
I've heard from some internal sources that some parts of Indiana (Bloomington, Lafayette) with some Big Ten university towns aren't getting 3G until 2008. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that this is to keep people from asking and being hopeful they're already starting to build out in these areas. Seems like this would make more sense than the cornfields of Illinois. |
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SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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join:2000-03-03
Pompton Lakes, NJ
·Optimum Online
·Cingular Wireless
| reply to inurenegade
Re: if only...
IMHO: you have it backward. If only wireless was a competitive as cable vs fios vs satellite. In metro ny the pricing for fios and cable are highly competitive and as Verizon has built-out it's FIOS network, the cable companies in the area have rolled out faster speeds with competitive pricing.
My experience says that wireless is not competitive. All the carriers offer similar pricing giving away nothing valuable. Consumer Reports' ratings have more to do with service than the actual costs of a plan. There are people who have old phones and old services grandfathered in, which technically are better priced than current plans today, however, they are stuck with their old phones since changing them to newer phones usually cost more or would require a different plan.
Cingular offers free calls to every Cingular phone (and now every ATT wired phone), rollover minutes for minutes you paid for but never ever used (I think I have like 4 or 5 THOUSAND rollover minutes, I never use all the minutes on all three phones. Now if they wouldn't charge me for minutes until my old ones were used up, that would be competitive (and explains why pay-as-you-go phone services are offered). Cingular even charges full minutes for even a 10 second call.) Others give you earlier/longer free times, select phone numbers free or whatever. The basic rates between companies for pure time is not competitive, they give you supposed extras which do not affect the peak time usage.
Text messaging should be FREE. It uses so little bandwidth that no matter what amount you are charged, it is too much and just a profit center for the phone companies.
Video on the phone? It's an asinine concept. I've watched some stuff and I think that it's simply not interesting as watching it on a bigger screen. Audio streams would be better, IMO. Video might make a long commute on a mass transit system more interesting, but there is a person next to you who may be much more interesting than the daly show re-run. Why bother putting it on a phone? Video Ipods may be more cost effective in the long run and there maybe no additional charges depending on what you watch.
Internet on the phone that's not asinine, I use it a lot. Pricing has come down, but except for stuff I have to have NOW (information mostly and frankly, mostly the weather-traffic report) its a time filler when I am waiting for my wife or daughter at the mall or in a car. Sure, I like my Google Local and the mapping function and satellite photos for when I must really really have them that second, but it's so much easier to sit down in a coffee shop with wireless internet (at any speed) and browse with that when outside the home. Faster speeds? Again, I'm not sure, if the phone isn't capable of being used as modem to a laptop, how much data does it take to fill up the screen? Unless the system is overloaded, you should be getting a nearly instantaneous update of your phone's screen. Higher data rates don't matter if the phone's cache is working for a long article. Do I really need all that web pages advertising on my phone's screen? Is the phone's cpu part of the problem with slow rendering? There's more to this than just getting a G3 phone service.
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