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If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | moving forward is always a good sign
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
2 edits | I met with one of them
...and they seemed to be involved in a pissing contest -- no Kum-ba-ya solidarity there. Dr. Phil needs to help Palo Alto -- or it'll be another 10 years.
EDIT: I sure hope 180Connect gets a detailed agreement with Palo Alto. Control freaks might be an understatement -- from what I saw. P.A. will likely expect to maintain complete control of prices, rollouts and features -- of a privately financed company! No way in hell I'd do business with P.A. without some very tight contracts.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·Comcast
| After reading the news item, this doesn't look real promising or like it will move forward quickly. The only viable bidder is in poor financial shape; has 2 lawsuits against it; and the city dept that would have to manage the process thinks it is a waste of time. Fiber in Palo Alto sometime after 2010 ???
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
| The thrill is gone
FTTH/FTTP seemed urgent in the days of 1-3mbs broadband. Our imaginations were much bigger than the "pipe".
Verizon's FiOS rollout has erased the sexy-ness of FTTP. FiOS as currently implemented is really just a "better" cable network -- with vast untapped potential. Only when popular new features and services are introduced will FTTP become urgent once again.
Palo Alto should notice how few vendors want to do business with them -- and why?
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Walking canes
Its moving slowly because the city is mainly resided by old people where these fibre lines are at. Its up the road from Standford college in the same city.
The city council is probably filled with these old people too. They were probably sucked in buying these lines 
Elder abuse is a rising crime. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| City Co-Ops
Cities that wish to do something like this that can't foot the bill should form a Co-Op with other cities and role out that way. Larger buying power which brings the prices down.
Which would of course allow for a faster role out. especially if they wholesaled their networks out to Indie ISPs, CaTV, and VoIP providers the network would reach nationwide rather fast. |
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decadent
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join:2002-04-02
Piscataway, NJ
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Re: Walking canes
As far as I know it is also home for HP in addition to Stanford. The city does not seem like poor one. It probably gets a lot in local taxes. |
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j9ejrdsa
@sbc.com
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said by ninjatutle  :Its moving slowly because the city is mainly resided by old people where these fibre lines are at. Its up the road from Standford college in the same city. The city council is probably filled with these old people too. They were probably sucked in buying these lines Elder abuse is a rising crime.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto,_California
The median income for a household in the city was $90,377, and the median income for a family was $117,574. |
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Eric Martin
join:2005-06-19
66308 | Why do cities DIG to put in fiber
Why ? Anyone know?
Why not poles like the telcos ?  |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
| said by Eric Martin :Why ? Anyone know? Why not poles like the telcos ? P.A. does use aerial fiber in the original trial area. New subdivisions (less than 20 years old) seem to universally bury all wires. FiOS uses aerial when possible.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | reply to j9ejrdsa
Re: Walking canes
I never said the city was poor. Its one of the richest town's in the bayarea. I just mentioned old people. They're old people that are rich. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to ronpin
Re: The thrill is gone
said by ronpin :FTTH/FTTP seemed urgent in the days of 1-3mbs broadband. Our imaginations were much bigger than the "pipe". Verizon's FiOS rollout has erased the sexy-ness of FTTP. FiOS as currently implemented is really just a "better" cable network -- with vast untapped potential. Only when popular new features and services are introduced will FTTP become urgent once again. Palo Alto should notice how few vendors want to do business with them -- and why? FIOS *could* be nice if they weren't sooooooo stingy with the upload oh yeah, and dump that PPPoE crap.
PPP was ok for telephone modems but c'mon that was 20 years ago!
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
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Re: Why do cities DIG to put in fiber
said by Eric Martin :Why ? Anyone know? Why not poles like the telcos ? My guess is it has something to do with "Pole fees"
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Especially when the poles are owned by the Telco. |
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jimmy235
@verizon.net
| The majority of poles are owned by Power Co not Telcos, if a pole has power lines on it, it belongs to Power Co and other utilities like Cable, Telcos pay them a fee. If your utilities are already underground then it stays underground, if aerial then fiber is installed same way, simple. The only reason you have to dig is that when a lot of these homes were built there was no requirement for the builders for underground conduits and the wires were directly buried in the ground. In the newer subdivisions with conduits if you're replacing the old copper service wire with a fiber one it will take you maybe TEN MINUTES. Boring can take hours and contractors are paid by telcos, cable companies for this. A utility will sometimes spend over a thousand dollars just to get you service, I don't know how they plan on making a return on this investment |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | In this area its more Telco than power. The only way to know their power is the Power company has them tagged other wise they're phone. |
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ElForesto
@qqest.com
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Re: I met with one of them
Interestingly enough, Dynamic City, the company behind the UTOPIA project in Utah, made an offer to build the network on the city's dime so they could retain bother ownership and control. They refused it because they didn't want to front the money.
So... basically, they want to have a network they control without spending any money. I'm surprised any company would accept that offer. As much as I like muni fiber, I'm wondering what Palo Alto thinks they're doing. |
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