jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | standards
what keeps delaying the implementation of these standard such as docsis 3.0 and the new wireless n standard? I know we could say dragging their feets but why?
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neufuse
join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | Bandwidth
Great DOCSIS 3.0, but with that a 100GB bandwidth limit, so now you can max out even faster |
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107 | Blowhard
The more he talks the more hot air comes out of his mouth. |
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daslog
join:2002-04-10
Milford, NH | reply to neufuse
Re: Bandwidth
I was thinking the same thing. As a Comcast customer, what's the point in giving me more bandwidth if I'm not allowed to use it? |
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ciucca
join:2004-05-24 | So what?
Who cares?!
Give me a DOCSIS 1.0 modem with @home (remember them?) service, an uncapped modem and no bandwidth restrictions. |
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Loker
Premium
join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND
clubs:
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Re: Bandwidth
said by neufuse  :Great DOCSIS 3.0, but with that a 100GB bandwidth limit, so now you can max out even faster 100 GB? is someone pulling numbers out of their butt? the cut off is generally around 200 GB's but can be higher or lower....me personally I can rack up quite a bit of bandwidth 200+ GB's on the rare month....generally its above 100 though...
still no call for me....
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107
1 edit | reply to ciucca
Re: So what?
Nothing is going to change. Unless Comcast is forced by the courts to change their fuzzy AUP, the "unknown to subscribers" bandwidth cap limit will still be in place only people will reach it faster and more people will be booted off.
This is a nightmare already happening for Comcast. |
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dr2500
join:2005-09-09
Lancaster, PA | it wii be faster
they still won't be able to offer the same potential speeds as FiOS. |
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neufuse
join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA
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Re: Bandwidth
100GB was a joke (sarcasim involved).. Mainly because comcast bases the number off of how much bandwidth the headend sees used... so it could be 100 could be 200, could be 300 all depending on how much usage your network gets in your area hasnt been 100 yet, but if more people have more speed, that may be obtainable |
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Loker
Premium
join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND
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Re: So what?
said by CLEVELTECH :Nothing is going to change. Unless Comcast is forced by the courts to change their fuzzy AUP, the bandwidth cap limit will still be in place only people will reach it faster and more people will be booted off. This is a nightmare already happening for Comcast. if more people will be reaching it then in theory since Comcast's cap evolves unlike a set cap it will react and go up allowing people to download more...
I really don't get why you people want them to set a cap...it is going to be set low and then a lot of the people who are whining they got a warning for downloading 400 GB's will end up whining they got booted for downloading 40.....
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dr2500
join:2005-09-09
Lancaster, PA | Fact
DOCSIS 3.0= 160Mbps down and 120Mbps up.
FiOS= 622Mbps down and 155Mbps up currently.
The over all experience with cable services will be a lot better, especially QoS on their network. |
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Loker
Premium
join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND
clubs:
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Re: it wii be faster
said by dr2500 :they still won't be able to offer the same potential speeds as FiOS. copper wire still has a lot of life left in it...10 years from now we might be approaching its limits...but for now it is more than capable of doing anything Verizon is willing to do with FIOS for at least the next few years.
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107
3 edits | reply to Loker
Re: So what?
Listen to me, there are ways to control and balance the network where one person does not degrade another's connection. Verizon, Cox, SBC and others do it. I don't understand why Comcast doesn't or won't.
I don't understand why you have a problem with knowing what the cap limit is. Other ISPS have it and state it.
They have a cap limit because 115,000 people have been cut off by them. This is a problem that will not go away. Instead of attacking and calling people like me a pirate, you should really look at this issue for what it is. Sooner or later you yourself will cross that unknown to you bandwidth cap and you're gonna receive the call, then what are you going to do?
I've talked to people who don't download much, don't stream video, don't FTP and they themselves were cut off. It is not fair for you to judge everyone as a pirate because their service was terminated by this ISP for an unknown cap limit that they know and refuse to tell subscribers about.
I don't want them to set a cap, rather I want them to ADMIT there is a cap and STOP LYING to people. There's a big difference. |
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| said by CLEVELTECH :Listen to me, there are ways to control and balance the network where one person does not degrade another's connection. Verizon, Cox, SBC and others do it. I don't understand why Comcast doesn't or won't. I don't understand why you have a problem with knowing what the cap limit is. Other ISPS have it and state it. They have a cap limit because 115,000 people have been cut off by them. This is a problem that will not go away. Instead of attacking and calling people like me a pirate, you should really look at this issue for what it is. Sooner or later you yourself will cross that unknown to you bandwidth cap and you're gonna receive the call, then what are you going to do? I've talked to people who don't download much, don't stream video, don't FTP and they themselves were cut off. It is not fair for you to judge everyone as a pirate because their service was terminated by this ISP for an unknown cap limit that they know and refuse to tell subscribers about. 115,000 LOL - HOLY CRAP, what else can you pull out of your ass ?
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107 | Get a brain and do the math:
Comcast claims 11 million HSI subscribers
They claim it's the top 1% of network abusers THEREFORE
115,0000 users were booted off. |
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
 ·Verizon Wireless B..
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
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said by ciucca :Who cares?! Give me a DOCSIS 1.0 modem with @home (remember them?) service, an uncapped modem and no bandwidth restrictions. With the amount of users on the internet today, your "old school" setup would not work. You would be downloading so slow, you'd be a DSL customer by now. If you look at how much has changed in the industry since those days, you'll know what I'm talking about. 
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
·Verizon Wireless B..
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
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Re: it wii be faster
said by dr2500 :they still won't be able to offer the same potential speeds as FiOS. FiOS FiOS FiOS. People act like it's God. Listen, Verizon has dumped all the money they can afford into deploying the technology, they are not going to dump much more than that for the moment, they have to please investors too. This is only a "competition" ploy for now. At least it's giving customers more incentives and innovations. If FiOS wasn't here, I do think the release date for DOCSIS 3.0 would probably be a little further out.
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dr2500
join:2005-09-09
Lancaster, PA | reply to Loker
You are correct; my biggest beef with RF over copper is interference.
Your thoughts? |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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Cablecompanies can provide high conenctions. Stop being a verizon fanboy.
Cablevision is using narad technology to provide 50/50 conenctions. They are doing testing on it now.
There is a thread in the optimum online forum with people who havce it.
This technology allows 100/100 conenctions to every home but cablevision is only doing half that.
I dont see verizon with 50/50 conenctiosn with fios. |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: 
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Re: So what?
Of course Comcast controls and balances their network.
What they don't, and shouldn't do however, is to allow a very select few people who for some very strange reason feel they're entitled to download 200 + gigs a month on a 43.00 per month service, to completely dominate and degrade their neighbors connections.
By the very nature of the technology behind our connections, this is a SHARED medium and I think that those who do this don't respect their neighbors one single bit.
Comcast, nor any residential provider for that matter, simply does not owe their customers paying this kind of price..access to a service that lets them download that much data per month.
If an individual were to ever go out and try to lease their own line with these speeds that allowed that..they would be paying 10 times what they do at least compared to what they pay Comcast now.
Some around BBR constantly try to use the argument that Comcast says this is an "unlimited" service. That is not what their TOS says. It says that if someone is impacting their neighbors or the network as a whole, their service can be suspended and cut off. And KUDOS to Comcast for enforcing this.
Don't get me wrong. I am NOT against people who want or need to download that kind of data per month. I AM against them however feeling that for this level of service, that Comcast owes them the right to do so. And, I am against them not realizing how their activities might affect other peoples connections.
What these people SHOULD do is to make other arrangements if possible for multiple connections or to explore whatever options might be out there for business level tiers of service.
Just because my local Chinese buffet advertises an "all you can eat" lunch buffet for 5.95, it doesn't give me the right to run over everyone in line with a truck and haul the entire serving table out of the restaurant.
Which is exactly what those abusing this service are doing...or trying to anyway.
Again, what many people COULD do who are in this situation is to perhaps subscribe also to a DSL connection and utilize that for part of their activity.
Really, it is all about having some respect for your neighbors and realizing that this technology does have it's limitations.
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