batterup
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Netcong, NJ
clubs: | Get the *F* out of the way.
This is why US has fallen from 1st to 16th in communication, political hogs slopping at the trough. NJ has a state wise franchise law and FIOS is being run to all civilized parts of the state. |
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footballdude
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Imperial, MO
| here's the rub
"It's not about competition," says Geneva's assistant city administrator, Mary McKittrick to the local papers. "It's about companies bullying their way into the marketplace."
At what point was the free market idea destroyed and replaced with a government locked-down market?
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TKJunkMail
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| said by footballdude  :"It's not about competition," says Geneva's assistant city administrator, Mary McKittrick to the local papers. "It's about companies bullying their way into the marketplace."At what point was the free market idea destroyed and replaced with a government locked-down market? And it is about the local pols worried about getting their piece of the action thru extortion. Do all their special little deals or you don't get a franchise.
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Yauch
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Ha! Ohh...that's a good one. I'll go talk to my Grandfather, he's old enough to remember that day. Although he would have been pretty young, considering the rise of socialism and a large centralized government began sometime around the Great Depression. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | let's say they block IPTV
Let's say they block IPTV. AT&T can still deploy large RT's and X-boxes wherever right-of-way laws allow. So as far as aesthetics, the objections are pointless. |
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nasadude
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Rockville, MD
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Re: Get the *F* out of the way.
don't blame local municipalities for the U.S. broadband market sucking so much - blame the telcos that sat on their @sses for so long with regard to rolling out advanced services.
they wasted their time with forcing the CLECs out of business and lobbying congress and the FCC for looser regulation. These franchises that the telcos want don't include any buildout requirements and even if they do, don't have time frames. Would you be happy if the area up the road had telco video, but you didn't because they didn't think your area was worth it? |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA
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Not all, my dear, not all at all. It is not being run yet to multi-dwelling communities such as town homes and condos or high-rise buildings on the shore. Some of those are quite "civilized" if you consider their value/property taxes.
Point is well taken though. Enough milking is enough. I want my true broadband (10+ Mbps symmetric) and anything that hinders it is evil. |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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said by nasadude :don't blame local municipalities for the U.S. broadband market sucking so much - blame the telcos that sat on their @sses for so long with regard to rolling out advanced services. This is not Ma Bell, this is the new at&t. The new at&t has to make money, as much money as possible. If that means sitting on their ass until they get what makes good business sense that is what they will do. 1st to 16th is the price, Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. |
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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said by nasadude :don't blame local municipalities for the U.S. broadband market sucking so much - blame the telcos that sat on their @sses for so long with regard to rolling out advanced services. When any broadband provider wants to offer service but some municipal government puts up unneeded roadblocks to said deployment, then how is it wrong to blame the government? The telcos are hardly sitting on their butts here as they want to deploy this service.
said by nasadude :Would you be happy if the area up the road had telco video, but you didn't because they didn't think your area was worth it? Why is it OK to compel any business to serve an unprofitable market?
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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Re: let's say they block IPTV
said by bogey780 :Let's say they block IPTV. AT&T can still deploy large RT's and X-boxes wherever right-of-way laws allow. So as far as aesthetics, the objections are pointless. The locals don't have any say about improvements to the network. A utility has tariff protection when it comes to improving the network. at&t and Verizon can run all of the new cable they want, the locals only have a say if they want to supply CATV. at&t has a good point, M$, YouTube and many, many more are supplying IPTV at this very second. None of them have to build the mayor a swimming pool. |
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dg2
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Lowell, AR
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Re: Get the *F* out of the way.
said by pnh102 :Why is it OK to compel any business to serve an unprofitable market? Isn't that what the USF is for? UNIVERSAL service fund means we all pay extra (and we've certainly been doing that) so the telco can afford to serve "unprofitable" markets.
Here, we got the double-whammy - paying into USF for 17 years, no DSL available (2000 feet too far from CO - no explanation as to why the Stinger box at the end of the street can't be turned on.) |
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batterup
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said by nasadude : Would you be happy if the area up the road had telco video, but you didn't because they didn't think your area was worth it? That is the law of the land, universal service at an affordable price, FOR POTS, Ma Bell is dead an yet the people bitch. |
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cbrigante2
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North Aurora, IL
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Re: let's say they block IPTV
said by batterup :said by bogey780 :Let's say they block IPTV. AT&T can still deploy large RT's and X-boxes wherever right-of-way laws allow. So as far as aesthetics, the objections are pointless. The locals don't have any say about improvements to the network. A utility has tariff protection when it comes to improving the network. at&t and Verizon can run all of the new cable they want, the locals only have a say if they want to supply CATV. at&t has a good point, M$, YouTube and many, many more are supplying IPTV at this very second. None of them have to build the mayor a swimming pool. The locals in the case of Geneva, IL. have all the say in improvements to the network as they own the ROW. |
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batterup
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Re: Get the *F* out of the way.
said by dg2 :said by pnh102 :Why is it OK to compel any business to serve an unprofitable market? Isn't that what the USF is for? UNIVERSAL service fund means we all pay extra (and we've certainly been doing that) so the telco can afford to serve "unprofitable" markets. From the looks of this map
»www.universalservice.org/hc/tool···ell.html
most people in Arkansas are served by independent phone companies. In all Verizon areas of NJ we get ZERO USF and pay into it big time. My county pays more then your whole state and you want more? |
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XBL2009
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| It would be nice if
The US government would build a Nationwide network, maybe fiber, maybe wireless. I really don't care which. We the consumers would $25 for access and everyone else would be able to sell services on it.
It has been done in other countries why not here ? |
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dg2
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Lowell, AR
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What's the USF for?
No. I'd like to see the USF disbanded entirely. That way no one would have to pay for someone else's phone service. Pnh102's question was "Why is it OK to compel any business to serve an unprofitable market?" My response would be "Because Congress created the USF whereby all telephone subscribers pay the ILECs to serve the unprofitable markets." I was trying to be polite.
For the record, there are large areas of Arkansas served by SBC (ATT now). While it may be true that most of the state's land area is served by independent phone companies, most of the people live in a handful of cities which are inside the green and yellow areas on your map.
I live in one of the green boxes. And there's still been a Stinger box operating at the end of the street for 2 years now. No investment would appear to be required - simply a willingness to offer service. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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Re: It would be nice if
said by XBL2009 :It has been done in other countries why not here ? Because I don't want to pay for your broadband connection  |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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Re: let's say they block IPTV
said by cbrigante2 : The locals in the case of Geneva, IL. have all the say in improvements to the network as they own the ROW. No they don't, I'm not going to look up the tariff. All right of ways don't belong to the local government, some are along county, state and federal roads. If a cable has to be replaced the telephone company doesn't have to build a swimming pool for the mayor. If roads must be blocked they have to set up a time to do the work but the town can't stop them. If I'm wrong you post the law. |
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RayW
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said by batterup : None of them have to build the mayor a swimming pool. Neither does AT&T, but when you try to force them (AT&T) to put service out to the poor, minority, and depressed areas as well as the richer areas they get upset. But then what do (insert favorite bashed minority) need with decent service?
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Skippy25
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Hazelwood, MO | reply to batterup
Re: Get the *F* out of the way.
Come out from under that rock and get reintroduced to the world. It appears to be evolving without you. |
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