vigilg
join:2006-09-07
Desert Hot Springs, CA | Gasping For Money
The RIAA is just gasping for every little opportunity it sees to grab money. If this does not work, they will find some other way. |
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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| said by vigilg  :The RIAA is just gasping for every little opportunity it sees to grab money. If this does not work, they will find some other way. Agreed. Gasping for money and grasping at whatever end run around due process of law that they think they will get away with. Any organization/school that gives in to these strong arm tactics and surrenders student information should suffer the wrath of the students. Are ya listening Student Government Reps?? Get off your asses and organize an official protest and submit it to the trustees of the school board and let them know that you have greater concerns beyond the BMW Daddy will buy you and watching Chumping for Trump.
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ender7074
join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO
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Poor RIAA. Cant get the mean old colleges to help extort moeny for you. Those big meanies. Now go tell everyone how much money your losing because of file trading but be sure not to provide any real foundation for your claims. Maybe that will win them over. |
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boowhooo
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is probably what the RIAA is doing... pay me to do your dirty work ... could be a way for the riaa is out people |
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Nightshade
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Salem, OR
1 edit | Charging for Services
All universities should charge the RIAA the privilege of keeping their IP logs for longer than than a month and it should be on a per letter basis like the University of Nebraska is doing.
After all there are costs involved in keeping these records and delegating valuable staff time dealing with these letters. It is good business sense for the university to charge the RIAA for services, just like the university charges students for educational services.
There is no such thing as a free lunch and the RIAA needs to realize that. |
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | Wonders
IF the ISP's struck a deal with delivering information to the RIAA. |
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Shamayim
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join:2002-09-23
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Translation: F*You, RIAA. YOU Pay US To Send Settlement Letters!
I say charge 'em $500 a pop 
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raythompsontn
join:2001-01-11
Oliver Springs, TN
| Then there are others
The University of Tennessee apparently decided that it was OK to be slave child of the RIAA.
»www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6260150
This student should not have settled and just let the RIAA run their course. But she instead chose to pay.
My question is how did the TV station find out about this person? |
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raythompsontn
join:2001-01-11
Oliver Springs, TN
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Re: Charging for Services
said by Nightshade :All universities should charge the RIAA the privilege of keeping their IP logs for longer than than a month and it should be on a per letter basis like the University of Nebraska is doing. The schools charge for everything else, why not this. If the universities could figure how to charge for using oxygen they would. |
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pnh102
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Re: Gasping For Money
said by major marco :Gasping for money and grasping at whatever end run around due process of law that they think they will get away with. The sad part of this is that they are not committing an end run around due process of law. Their tactics, while objectionable, are entirely legal. Unless the Constitution is amended so that defendants in lawsuits have the same protections as those accused in criminal proceedings, the **AA will continue to engage in these legal activities.
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Jehu
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MA | Does latest campaign end in RIAA legal defeat?
I kind of doubt it since, you know, there's no legal action currently...
But why pass up the opportunity to see the same posts we do every day over a technicality like that? |
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GlennAllen
join:2002-11-17
Richmond, VA
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Re: Gasping For Money
Unfortunately, what they won't try is to either/both (1) not treat their (former) customers like criminals, and/or (2) not price their products for customers who have nothing but lots of money to spend (aka throw away) on their (crap) products. That would just be too radical of a concept. |
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major marco
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2 edits | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 :The sad part of this is that they are not committing an end run around due process of law. So you believe that it is entirely legal for entity C to harass and/or threaten to serve a lawsuit upon A in order to get information from A regarding B?
Irrespective of either criminal or civil law, it doesn't work that way. Entity C has to first serve a subpoena on A for those records on entity B. That's called due process of law, and, in this particular matter, since money is involved that entity C is calling a "settlement," entity A is entirely within its right to deny entity C any records it may possess on B. Entity A can confidently tell entity C to go piss up a rope and/or get a warrant and/or issue a subpoena.
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raydog1
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Re: Then there are others
This is exactly what the RIAA wants to see. News stories with cute youg students warning others against the dangers of music sharing. Even worse for her is that fact that she had to pay $3000 AND spread the RIAA mantra on her own.
That's what I call double-dipping.
They should send her back a $3000 check and a thank you letter!  |
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ender7074
join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO | reply to raythompsontn
Re: Charging for Services
hehe the RIAA has met its match in the realm of nickel and diming, higher education. |
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TScheisskopf
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Re: Does latest campaign end in RIAA legal defeat?
said by Jehu :I kind of doubt it since, you know, there's no legal action currently... But why pass up the opportunity to see the same posts we do every day over a technicality like that? Exactly. PMH says something above about "defendants in lawsuits". What lawsuits? What defendants? It is one thing to bring suit and then settle in arbitration or out of court. It is another to use the mere threat of litigation to crowbar sums of money out of people who have not been shown to have broken any laws.
There are names for these behaviors:
Extortion. Barratry. There is also Thuggery in there too. |
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King P
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Profit sharing?
It's great to think of all the money the RIAA is making from this scheme, and even better is that they are not legally required to share any of this revenue with their member labels and artists because it is not derived from licensing royalties.
I guess this makes sense though because if your main stream of revenue is down, you have to find new ways to generate it, so they exploited the use of the internet and technologically impaired judicial officers to make millions of dollars in "lost" music revenue...pure genius!!!!
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Thaler
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Re: Gasping For Money
said by pnh102 :The sad part of this is that they are not committing an end run around due process of law. Their tactics, while objectionable, are entirely legal. So...they're basically like the mob today, but using lawyers instead of threatening bodily harm. Got ya. |
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TKJunkMail
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What if RIAA calls Univ bluff and pays for letter distribution
The University of Nebraska, meanwhile, says it's impossible for them to find all of the students targeted, because their system doesn't retain IP logs for longer than a month. The University also wants the RIAA to pay $11 for each letter it processes, stating it takes up valuable staff time. I wonder what Univ of Nebraska would do if the RIAA called their bluff and paid them $11/letter?
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Blackened
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join:2003-09-29
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Re: Gasping For Money
In this case, sadly, that depends upon the University exercising it's due process rights, since the apparent (innocent until proven guilty, of course) infringement happens on their servers. Because some Universities don't, it's up to the student to choose another school who will stick up for due process and their individual rights.
Make no mistake, the RIAA is doing all it can to subvert the law to get what they want, which is why they earned the image of thugs, and why due process should apply for all colleges automatically, especially those who receive any public funding. The fact that some colleges are allowing the RIAA in with the red carpet treatment should be an alarm to students. Every single one of these suits should be fought with as much impunity, and care for individual rights as possible. And students who want their rights cared for need to use more research and be more selective about where they attend, to get public funding cut off for those who cater to corporate interests before individual rights. |
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