compugeek
I love making my own beer.
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join:2002-07-30
Pickerington, OH
 ·Insight VOIP
·Vonage
| Oh Crap!!!
I have had Vonage for 4 years. I don't know anything else anymore. I hope this gets tossed on appeal or I am screwed. I don't want to go back to a normal POTS line.
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paulhaskew
Unoffical Dominos Spokesman
join:2002-01-10
Vancouver, WA
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irrepairable??? If the friggin Bell's hadn't been so damn greedy in the first place and trying to force their stick up everyone's ass then we wouldn't need alternatives like this...
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Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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| If you can't offer a better product...sue
So I guess Verizon is finally taking VoIP seriously. They refuse to offer the same pricing, even though they could. They refuse to offer the same features, though they could. So.....just sue the competition out of business.
What a great system we have.
Mind you I say this despite my hatred of Vonage.
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
 ·Verizon FIOS
| suffering irreparable harm
Really?
I doubt it. Vonage has actually caused Verizon to benefit callers with its Freedom America plan (unlimited calling).
By making Verizon compete, the consumer again, has choice. Either VoIP or POTS.
Besides, what about all the DSL companies that dried up thanks to the "increased databasing" by Telcos and then taking their customers with their own DSL? Judge should see who is calling the kettle black...
BTW, I dropped Vonage after two years due to poor VQ (likely due to Comcast). But it caused more hassle then savings. I went back to Verizon for the bundle which cost $15 more yet know I pick up that phone, no static, choppiness or drops.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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3 edits | reply to compugeek
Re: Oh Crap!!!
said by compugeek  :I have had Vonage for 4 years. I don't know anything else anymore. I hope this gets tossed on appeal or I am screwed. I don't want to go back to a normal POTS line. Geek Even if Vonage loses the appeal and the injunction is enforced in 2 weeks, it gives Vonage enough time to switch their current technology to a non-infringing technology. At least they claimed they could do that, even if they lost the case. »www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=···fer=home
Vonage, based in Holmdel, New Jersey, said it is developing ``technical workarounds'' to avoid infringing Verizon's patents. The company expects to win a 120-day stay of today's order from Hilton or an appeals court, allowing it to pursue an appeal of the jury verdict, spokeswoman Brooke Schulz said in an interview. Hilton will hear Vonage's request April 6.
``We are confident Vonage customers will not experience service interruptions or other changes as a result of this litigation,'' Mike Snyder, Vonage's chief executive officer, said in a statement. But if they do switch to something else, there will probably be disruptions while it is rolled out.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | wouldn't swith to verizon
if vonage gets ordered to stop connecting to the PSTN, I sure as hell won't switch phone service to verizon. I will either get another VOIP provider or use my cell phone. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | So who is next?
Verizon is gong to take this victory and run with it.
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD | If Verizon wants my business back . . .
then they'll need to roll out FIOS in my area. (Fat Chance)
I'll not go back to Verizon for phone service, I'll just find another VoIP provider. |
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heathcpe
join:2002-03-19
Brandon, MS
| Anti-competition
The Judge says that the monetary damages awarded Verizon, ... were not sufficient because they do "not prevent continued erosion of the client base of the plaintiff."
Wow, so if my competition is winning over my customers I can sue them and make them stop.
Verizon lawyers say the telco is "suffering irreparable harm" from Vonage's patent infringement, losing hundreds of thousands of customers to its competitor.
Then do something about like OFFER CHEAPER SERVICE THAN THE OVERPRICED PRODUCTS YOU HAVE!!!!! AND DROP THE DISGUISED FEES YOU STUFF INTO YOUR POCKETS!!!! I pay $228 a year for phone service, why the hell would I want to pay Verizon something like $740 (based on prices in my area) a year for the equivalent service?
Corporate goons!!!! |
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RideRed
Vista needs a popup blocker for Vista
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join:2005-06-18
USA | Next up Verizon sues Comcast
For violating Verizon's patent on overpriced crappy service. |
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Hobyboyz
join:2005-02-18
Wauchula, FL | reply to newview
Re: If Verizon wants my business back . . .
ViaTalk is another provider my coemployee uses for VOIP and he is in a Verizon area. |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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Re: hah!
bingo. |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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| reply to nasadude
Re: wouldn't swith to verizon
said by nasadude : or use my cell phone. it's verizon, isn't it?  |
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AnonymousCoward
@kaballero.com
| ... meanwhile ...
Verizon degrages their DSL offerings to ensure that VoIP fails to function thus ensuring that you have to take their voice solution even though the FCC says they have to sell naked DSL.
What kind of idiot decided to violate a patent that belongs to his competition in the first place? That was a pretty stupid strategic move. |
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Kiwi
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join:2003-05-26
USA
·Comcast
·Aristotle Internet
| *Sigh*
Can't stand the patent battles and some understand what I mean when it comes to technology. The legal system has been completely borked for so long, it's going to be hard to imagine a Democracy based on inovative concepts. The battle of patents have become the new rich corps playground.
As a long time user of Vonage, I was most annoyed by those chiming in on 911. The purpose had nothing to do with a POTS line, I guess that's what extravagant advertising does!
I would like to see any court leave customers stranded with the forced 911 enigma, having forced users to Annie up and pay for something that was generally not wanted; they will now have to protect the users who use it! A double edged sword may play a part in this.
Legal battles seem to be the norm anymore, once this Country was built on innovation, free thought and ingenuity...Now, it's a paper work shuffle and all the resources are shifting overseas; no surprise there! |
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Loker
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join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND
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Re: Next up Verizon sues Comcast
said by RideRed :For violating Verizon's patent on overpriced crappy service. because everyone knows Comcast's service sucks everywhere.... 
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Yippz Voip
join:2005-05-04
Atlanta, GA
| reply to Kiwi
Re: *Sigh*
Why can't Vonage, which is a registered company in Canada, just move their servers from NJ to say, Ontario Canada?
Customer's wouldn't know or care where the servers were and they can connect to the PSTN from there?
Am I wrong or this is possible?? |
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yock
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join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| reply to paulhaskew
Re: hah!
said by paulhaskew :irrepairable??? If the friggin Bell's hadn't been so damn greedy in the first place and trying to force their stick up everyone's ass then we wouldn't need alternatives like this... How do you justify that statement? They defended a legitimately obtained patent. It seems as if you advocate that they abandon their legal patent protections in favor of helping a competitor break patent law.
This country certainly needs patent reform, but this is a good example of properly applied patent law.
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to Yippz Voip
Re: *Sigh*
They'd have to connect to the PSTN in Canada then too. Not much good for local calling.
This is not the same as moving your webserver offshore...
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
| Does this affect other telephony companies?
I don't really understand the technical side of this case... don't cell phone companies hook up to the PSTN? Not to mention the other regular phone companies. Is it something specific that Vonage is doing, or is it VOIP specific? Does it affect Skype? I use Skype because I rarely get calls at home, and its much cheaper than VOIP or POTS. Why does it seem that everything new is ruined by patents held by people who aren't using them? |
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