GilbertMark
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Gilbert, AZ | Walking talking press release.
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Welcome to the end.
Investors vote with their shares. Don't call investors dumb about the appeals process.
Stick a fork in it, Vonage is done. |
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hayabusa3303
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| said by inteller  :Stick a fork in it, Vonage is done. Thats what people said when AT&T was broken up,Look at them now  |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
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said by inteller :Investors vote with their shares. Don't call investors dumb about the appeals process. Stick a fork in it, Vonage is done. Investors have a right to be worried. But not because Vonage is going belly up. I am reasonably sure that Vonage and their VOIP service isn't going to fold, at least not over their current patent issues. But their costs will rise as a result of the current patent problems and that will ultimately make their competitors stronger and will cut into their GROWTH possibilities. And that is why the stock will continue to languish.
Even if Vonage has problems, the chances are much higher they would be taken over by someone else and not just fold up their service.
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RoCJester
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Pottstown, PA | reply to inteller
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Jim Gurd
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Plymouth, MI
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said by TKJunkMail :Even if Vonage has problems, the chances are much higher they would be taken over by someone else and not just fold up their service. Who would want to buy them with that kind of liability? I expect any buying will be assets only after a Chapter 7 filing.
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SquareSlinky
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Tampa, FL | Verizon should just take them over. Voice Wing is an outsourced service that is not very good. |
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AnonProxy
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Vonage was selling cheap as it was getting part of it's calls "for free" pushing costs to the local markets.
Now that they will have to pay all costs, the price will go up and there will be NO VALUE in using Vonage over your local telco's pay one price service.
Vonage was crappy but cheap, now vonage will be the crappy and more expensive...will they be worth anything in a year? |
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AnonProxy
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Re: Welcome to the end.
AT&T actually owned stuff worth while, vonage has some termination points with no place to go if they don't pay.
Vonage will be Skype if they don't pay. |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
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join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
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said by TKJunkMail :said by inteller :Investors vote with their shares. Don't call investors dumb about the appeals process. Stick a fork in it, Vonage is done. Investors have a right to be worried. But not because Vonage is going belly up. I am reasonably sure that Vonage and their VOIP service isn't going to fold, at least not over their current patent issues. But their costs will rise as a result of the current patent problems and that will ultimately make their competitors stronger and will cut into their GROWTH possibilities. And that is why the stock will continue to languish. Even if Vonage has problems, the chances are much higher they would be taken over by someone else and not just fold up their service. I agree. Injesting all this Vonage news over the last month, and keeping in mind I don't own any Vonage stock but rather have 3 lines as a customer with them, I'm pretty confident that they will continue to provide service through this court process. What happens after that with rising costs, my best guess would be a takeover, but I don't think that's coming anytime soon.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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said by Jim Gurd :said by TKJunkMail :Even if Vonage has problems, the chances are much higher they would be taken over by someone else and not just fold up their service. Who would want to buy them with that kind of liability? I expect any buying will be assets only after a Chapter 7 filing. The patent liability of less than a $100 million for a company with $600 million of cash or cash equivalents on hand isn't going to stop a sale. Their assets are worth $789 million.
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Maxo
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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said by Jim Gurd :Who would want to buy them with that kind of liability? Google maybe.  |
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dogo88
join:2001-09-24
Old Bridge, NJ | reply to AnonProxy
Re: This is all about money
Exactly. |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Why they dont just buy if verizon andget over it. |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
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join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
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·Verizon FIOS
·Vonage
·magicjack.com
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said by AnonProxy :Vonage was selling cheap as it was getting part of it's calls "for free" pushing costs to the local markets. Now that they will have to pay all costs, the price will go up and there will be NO VALUE in using Vonage over your local telco's pay one price service. Vonage was crappy but cheap, now vonage will be the crappy and more expensive...will they be worth anything in a year? I've found Vonage service to be excellent. I have had them for a few years now, and asside from the occasional (few times peryear totalling approx 24-36 hours of 'disrupted' time per year) hiccup, they have been great for me.
With VoIP service - like Vonage - voice quality is greatly effected by the quality of your broadband connection to your home from your DSL, cable or FTTH provider. If you had crappy service, it was more than likely due to excessive latency or other issues on your broadband connection itself, and not due to Vonage, or SR, et al.
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Loker
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said by AnonProxy :Vonage was selling cheap as it was getting part of it's calls "for free" pushing costs to the local markets. Now that they will have to pay all costs, the price will go up and there will be NO VALUE in using Vonage over your local telco's pay one price service. Vonage was crappy but cheap, now vonage will be the crappy and more expensive...will they be worth anything in a year? what is so crappy about Vonage?
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
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said by brooklynman4 :Why they dont just buy if verizon andget over it. I'm going to have to ask for clarification here. |
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SquareSlinky
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join:2004-05-25
Tampa, FL | reply to Jeffrey
I have had Vonage for more than 4 years. The service has been very good. Their customer service leaves a lot to be desired.
Like others are saying, the service is tied to your ISP. |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | reply to hayabusa3303
Re: Welcome to the end.
That's not AT&T. That's a monster child that ate its mother. AT&T, the long distance company resulting from the breakup, was not viable. |
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Loker
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join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND
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I think Karl is talking about me and my exit stage right and sign up for packet8 escape plan....I am going to hang in there with Vonage because they have been good to me (even if their support is not the greatest)....but if they are forced to stop using the technology infringing on the patent without a different technology to back it up....well I wont have much of a choice in the matter in staying with Vonage since I need phone service....
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