Jon
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join:2001-01-20
Lisle, IL | didn't they try this already?
I thought some airlines did and ended up getting rid of it. |
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amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
clubs: | how exactly?
are they going to "block VoIP applications" from getting through???
Next we'll hear about some kid who figured out how to bypass it and the fidgety exec. who used the kid's headset to call his people...
oh joy. |
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jervin123
join:2005-04-14
Philadelphia, PA | reply to Jon
Re: didn't they try this already?
was run by boeing and to expensive and too heavy to get off the ground. was just a big mess and not availble on any US dometic flights. |
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NJxxxJon
something good. or your mom.
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join:2005-10-22
00000 | CELL
...but ta.....not cell phones?  |
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ric b
join:2006-03-23
Saint Louis, MO
| whatever
With the prices they charge for plane phones, I can't imagine how ridiculous the prices for broadband would be on a plane. And I agree, they won't serve you snacks on a flight anymore or can't find enough pillows or balnkies to keep warm, why do people really need to use the internet while on a plane? |
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morbo
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join:2002-01-22
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clubs: |  cost
$100k per plane but can be installed by airline maintenance overnight? someone please explain where the hell those numbers come from. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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| said by morbo  :$100k per plane but can be installed by airline maintenance overnight? someone please explain where the hell those numbers come from. The In-Flight Broadband Network Installation Company, of course. 
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RayW
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Layton, UT
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| reply to ric b
Re: whatever
said by ric b :With the prices they charge for plane phones, I can't imagine how ridiculous the prices for broadband would be on a plane. And I agree, they won't serve you snacks on a flight anymore or can't find enough pillows or balnkies to keep warm, why do people really need to use the internet while on a plane? Well, to some people the 2-4 hours spent in a plane boils down to thousands if not more dollars an hour lost (well, that is the claim).
But maybe the real reason is to take your mind off of what has been deleted. I remember Delta having a killer sandwich and soup between DFW and LAX, now you are lucky to get an ounce of cheap imitation cracker pieces, and on some airlines, one cup of a drink (about 4 ounces I think since it looks like they got three servings out of a can) is all you get for drinks (unless you pony up for the booze).
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RadioDoc
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| said by RayW :Well, to some people the 2-4 hours spent in a plane boils down to thousands if not more dollars an hour lost (well, that is the claim). Truthfully, nobody is that important. If they lose that much money while airborne they're lives are out of control and are horrid business people.
Anyone truly that important to a business has backup plans and delegates critical work to others just in case something worse than a gate hold happens.
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
| reply to morbo
Re: cost
Excellent point.
No way in hell they would take out a plane currently in service just to install broadband on it.
Every minute is a few hundred dollars wasted, they cannot afford to have these planes down for more than the amount of time to maintain them.
What the airline industry should focus on is providing a comfortable ride FIRST and energy efficient jets to lower down costs while still keep ticket prices the same to pay for the new improvements.
Imagine a day when the jet engines are actually silent and you can sit down and relax. Read the news paper and actually enjoy the ride. Now that's better than anything broadband or snakes on a plane can offer.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03 | Wi-fi but no cell
So does that mean I could use my T-Mobile @home phone over wi-fi instead of GSM then? |
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ric b
join:2006-03-23
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to RayW
Re: whatever
Never been on a Delta flight that didn't give me the whole can of soda after pouring those four ounces in the cup for me.
The people who "need" broadband on a plane are the same people who pay or who work for a company that pays way too much for a business class seat that arrives at the airport at the same time that the coach seats arrive. The differeences, are a bit more legroom and a bigger seat, actual silverware served on a china plate. More drinks/free drinks, and less people to wait in line for when you have to go to the bathroom. Other than that, there's no advantages.
Are people going to have to buy a special laptop adapter that fits into a special proprietery fitting for each airline? Are they going to be available for rental with the airline? Are the people who "need" inet access on a plane going to actually use it? |
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NJxxxJon
something good. or your mom.
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Re: Wi-fi but no cell
said by PolarBear :So does that mean I could use my T-Mobile @home phone over wi-fi instead of GSM then? And.....I could use SKYPE! Whoo! 
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radam
join:2004-02-13
Fairfax Station, VA
·Cox HSI
 ·Vonage
| Lufthansa and Internet
I flew on Lufthansa to Frankfurt last April and was able to use their online service. I think it was $10 for an hour and $30 for the entire flight. The download and upload speeds were fine. I have to think user fees are supporting Lufthansa's installation. Are there regulatory issues holding up US carriers, or is it just affordability? |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03 | reply to NJxxxJon
Re: Wi-fi but no cell
LOL... we could talk to each other from opposite sides of the plane! |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
·Armstrong Zoom In..
·AT&T Midwest
| Nice
Broadband in the friendly skies, but still nothing for the people here on the ground that can't get anything better than marginal 384k/384k DSL.
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djdanska
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Glen Ellyn, IL
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| reply to PolarBear
Re: Wi-fi but no cell
Depends if they block ipsec. And even if they did not block it, i don't think the tmobile@home/uma phones can use wifi that needs a login page. I wonder if you can change the wifi mac address of your laptop to the same mac address of the wifi on the phone. Use the laptop to login to the wifi and then disconnect, and re connect on the phone. lol
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s bassaw
join:2006-06-11
New Rochelle, NY
·Optimum Voice
| reply to Michieru2
Re: cost
said by Michieru2 :Excellent point. No way in hell they would take out a plane currently in service just to install broadband on it. Every minute is a few hundred dollars wasted, they cannot afford to have these planes down for more than the amount of time to maintain them. What the airline industry should focus on is providing a comfortable ride FIRST and energy efficient jets to lower down costs while still keep ticket prices the same to pay for the new improvements. Imagine a day when the jet engines are actually silent and you can sit down and relax. Read the news paper and actually enjoy the ride. Now that's better than anything broadband or snakes on a plane can offer. You have a poor idea on the amount of profit each flight actually produces. There was a documentary aired about American Airlines a few months ago. They broke down how much money is made on the typical flight from California to New York. With the cost of fuel, other surcharges, people using their, "miles" and etc, AA only makes about $300 on that flight. If two passengers didn't fly, it would be a loss. They also stated that a lot of their flights end up costing them money versus making money.
It is not the airline industry who can decide if they want to build more efficient jets. It is the manufacturers who determine how efficient a flight can be. The only real thing an airline can do is lower the amount of weight they have on a flight and try to get lower fuel contracts. |
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
| Poor idea indeed, it was a huge mistake in my part to actually eliminate myself from TV. I been so out of touch I hardly know much anymore about the airline industry or the world around me for that matter.
Now, since you watched that documentary what is their biggest cost, I would presume it would be maintenance and fuel. Now how much on average will it cost to upgrade the planes currently in service or a new rebuilt jet entirely from the ground up.
How much on average does it cost for pilot, co-pilot, flight attendants, etc. What is the seating capacity of each plane, on average how much profit is earned per customer and what will be the total profit of one flight on 24 hour stop and go between short points and destinations such as KMIA(Miami International Airport) to MCO(Orlando International Airport)?
P.S I really enjoy watching documentaries, what TV network?
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major marco
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join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
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| It's a Fairy Tale
Given that the airline industry continually cries about how broke it is, I find in-flight broadband extremely difficult to believe. Maybe 10 years from now, but not anytime soon.
The news just ran a segment the other night about how significantly bad things are for consumers with regard to air travel. The Jet Blue debacle where travelers were trapped on a flight that sat on the tarmac for 24hrs was just the tip of the iceberg.
If broadband does become available, then it will probably be priced at $10.00/minute or some other such ridiculous pricetag just like the stupid air phones were.
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