CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO | I'm sure it will work great!
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | hmm
I'm not impressed |
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twizlar
I dont think so.
Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON
| Gamerail BLOWS
Gamerail BLOWS
First IP is in one of gamerails racks in chicago, the 2nd is also in chicago in equinix
Tracing route to 208.75.25.70 over a maximum of 30 hops
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 17 ms 5 ms 5 ms 10.150.0.1
3 8 ms 7 ms 8 ms border.mountaincable.net [24.215.3.129]
4 21 ms 8 ms 10 ms ra2sh-ge3-4-14.mt.bigpipeinc.com [66.244.223.237]
5 9 ms 7 ms 7 ms rc1sh-ge9-0-6.mt.shawcable.net [66.163.66.49]
6 20 ms 21 ms 19 ms rc1hu-pos5-0-0.ny.shawcable.net [66.163.77.154]
7 24 ms 22 ms 22 ms 64.243.225.142
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 42 ms 47 ms 41 ms 208.75.25.70
Trace complete.
Tracing route to 64.34.240.161 over a maximum of 30 hops
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 9 ms 6 ms 6 ms 10.150.0.1
3 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms border.mountaincable.net [24.215.3.129]
4 10 ms 9 ms 6 ms VLN.Serialx-x-x.GWx.POPx.ALTER.NET [63.115.224.73]
5 11 ms 7 ms 9 ms 0.so-6-0-2.XT2.TOR2.ALTER.NET [152.63.133.78]
6 27 ms 27 ms 26 ms 0.so-6-0-0.XL2.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.70.105]
7 23 ms 27 ms 23 ms POS7-0.GW1.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.69.181]
8 24 ms 30 ms 23 ms bandwidthoptions.net-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.173.238]
9 23 ms 37 ms 23 ms peer1-chi01-ge2-core1-equinix.ord.gowebman.com [69.90.119.10]
10 24 ms 22 ms 24 ms 209.8.108.22
11 21 ms 24 ms 23 ms 64.34.240.161
Trace complete.
It doubles my ping to chicago servers, and triples it to dallas. When i ping one of their dallas servers from my own dallas box at the planet it routes through L.A > denver > back to dallas.
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| said by twizlar  :Gamerail BLOWS First IP is in one of gamerails racks in chicago, the 2nd is also in chicago in equinix Tracing route to 208.75.25.70 over a maximum of 30 hops
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 17 ms 5 ms 5 ms 10.150.0.1
3 8 ms 7 ms 8 ms border.mountaincable.net [24.215.3.129]
4 21 ms 8 ms 10 ms ra2sh-ge3-4-14.mt.bigpipeinc.com [66.244.223.237]
5 9 ms 7 ms 7 ms rc1sh-ge9-0-6.mt.shawcable.net [66.163.66.49]
6 20 ms 21 ms 19 ms rc1hu-pos5-0-0.ny.shawcable.net [66.163.77.154]
7 24 ms 22 ms 22 ms 64.243.225.142
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 42 ms 47 ms 41 ms 208.75.25.70
Trace complete.
Tracing route to 64.34.240.161 over a maximum of 30 hops
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 9 ms 6 ms 6 ms 10.150.0.1
3 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms border.mountaincable.net [24.215.3.129]
4 10 ms 9 ms 6 ms VLN.Serialx-x-x.GWx.POPx.ALTER.NET [63.115.224.73]
5 11 ms 7 ms 9 ms 0.so-6-0-2.XT2.TOR2.ALTER.NET [152.63.133.78]
6 27 ms 27 ms 26 ms 0.so-6-0-0.XL2.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.70.105]
7 23 ms 27 ms 23 ms POS7-0.GW1.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.69.181]
8 24 ms 30 ms 23 ms bandwidthoptions.net-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.173.238]
9 23 ms 37 ms 23 ms peer1-chi01-ge2-core1-equinix.ord.gowebman.com [69.90.119.10]
10 24 ms 22 ms 24 ms 209.8.108.22
11 21 ms 24 ms 23 ms 64.34.240.161
Trace complete. It doubles my ping to chicago servers, and triples it to dallas. When i ping one of their dallas servers from my own dallas box at the planet it routes through L.A > denver > back to dallas. Their network isn't fully live. If you read the forums on Gamerail. |
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twizlar
I dont think so.
Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON | I know however they are peered directly with the same upstream providers in dallas.
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL
3 edits | said by twizlar :I know however they are peered directly with the same upstream providers in dallas. What city are you connected too with Gamerail? If it's not the same city your in, then milage can and will vary allot.
Gamespy won't be for everyone when it's 1st released. Only 6 major cities will be available at launch. Then it will expand to 15 cities later.
They only are peering here so far and not all live.
Public Peering Exchange Points
Exchange Point Name ASN IP Address Mbit/sec
AIX 14960 198.32.132.56 1000
Any2 14960 206.223.143.10 1000
Equinix Chicago 14960 206.223.119.42 1000
Equinix Dallas 14960 1000
NYIIX 14960 198.32.160.180 1000
PAIX Palo Alto 14960 Go Live 5/1/07 1000
SIX 14960 198.32.180.72 1000
Private Peering Facilities
Facility Name ASN City Country SONET Ethr ATM
1 Wilshire 14960 Los Angeles US
Bandwidth Exchange Meet Me Room (St Louis) 14960 St. Louis US
Equinix Chicago 14960 Chicago US
NYCC (111 8th MMR) 14960 New York US
TelX Atlanta 14960 Atlanta US
Westin Building Seattle 14960 Seattle US |
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Mchart
Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
1 edit | Funny
I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection.
When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency? |
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twizlar
I dont think so.
Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON
| reply to EnasYorl
Re: Gamerail BLOWS
I don't think you are understanding me. I'm not using the GameRail client. Those are servers located exclusively on their network which peers directly with the same providers in dallas and yet their routing is completely messed up. The packets should not be routed from dallas to LA to Denver and BACK to dallas when gamerail is peered directly to them. This has nothing to do with the client side and everything to do with their backbone routing and peering arrangements. I used traceroutes from here as an example. IF they were setup properly I should not have a higher ping and more hops to a server located on their network as opposed to one that isn't the packets SHOULD take the best route
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GR_Alchemist
join:2007-02-12
| reply to twizlar
Maybe you should use the GameRail client and our network when pinging servers instead of just using the internet.
Yes we are still putting hardware in place and rolling out our network. You will get to do a public for free test of this soon enough. |
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL
2 edits | reply to twizlar
said by twizlar :I don't think you are understanding me. I'm not using the GameRail client. Those are servers located exclusively on their network which peers directly with the same providers in dallas and yet their routing is completely messed up. The packets should not be routed from dallas to LA to Denver and BACK to dallas when gamerail is peered directly to them. This has nothing to do with the client side and everything to do with their backbone routing and peering arrangements. I used traceroutes from here as an example. IF they were setup properly I should not have a higher ping and more hops to a server located on their network as opposed to one that isn't the packets SHOULD take the best route You cannot say Gamerail Blows then if your not using Gamerails network via the client. As your issue is with your ISP as your not bypassing hops to take advantage of Gamerail.
Thanks for clarifying to the thread that you are NOT using Gamerail.
Suggested reading material »www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details |
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
clubs:  
| reply to CrazyFingers
Re: I'm sure it will work great!
i wouldn't call it "snake oil" since it's affects are scientific and documented
however I'd rather see those $10-15 being invested into infrastructure that would help internet as a whole and not just some isolated service to a few servers.
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liquidgas
join:2004-08-22
Enid, OK | reply to GR_Alchemist
Re: Gamerail BLOWS
Are you using any type of packet prioritization? Can't tell much from ping times now'a days. A ICMP packet might not even get the same route as another packet. |
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | reply to GR_Alchemist
said by GR_Alchemist :Maybe you should use the GameRail client and our network when pinging servers instead of just using the internet. Yes we are still putting hardware in place and rolling out our network. You will get to do a public for free test of this soon enough. Seattle is shown on Phase 1. So it will or won't be a gateway city where clients can connect too?
It appears to me it won't from the diagram.
»www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details |
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | reply to Mchart
Re: Funny
said by Mchart :I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection. When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency? Good Thing Gamerail is NOT just about bandwidth and IS about latency.
Bandwidth is only a part of latency. Network design is what counts.
»www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details |
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GR_Thor
join:2007-03-12
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to Mchart
The first gateway cities are Seattle, LA, Chicago, St Louis, Dallas, Atlanta, and NY. However at this time, only the StL gateway is up.
McHart, it's great that you found some servers to play on that ping well for you. If those are the only servers you use, GameRail probably isn't for you.
For me however, living in a place that does not have a direct internet drain (all of my traffic goes to Dallas or Chicago first, 98% of the time) I ping about 60ms to servers that are less than a mile away from me. Fire up GameRail, and it drops to 10-12ms. To the coasts, I regularly see improvements of ~40ms. This is all on my standard home connection, with no optimizations, or funny business. We can't, and never have, said that GameRail will work for everybody. The internet is a goofy place, and there will always be situations we unfortunately can't help with. That being said, there are lots of cases where we can.
But I guess the only way some people will accept that not everyone on the net is trying to pull one over on them is to try it, which you will be able to. If you don't like it, don't subscribe, but we think a lot of people will. |
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Mchart
Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| said by GR_Thor :The first gateway cities are Seattle, LA, Chicago, St Louis, Dallas, Atlanta, and NY. However at this time, only the StL gateway is up. McHart, it's great that you found some servers to play on that ping well for you. If those are the only servers you use, GameRail probably isn't for you. For me however, living in a place that does not have a direct internet drain (all of my traffic goes to Dallas or Chicago first, 98% of the time) I ping about 60ms to servers that are less than a mile away from me. Fire up GameRail, and it drops to 10-12ms. To the coasts, I regularly see improvements of ~40ms. This is all on my standard home connection, with no optimizations, or funny business. We can't, and never have, said that GameRail will work for everybody. The internet is a goofy place, and there will always be situations we unfortunately can't help with. That being said, there are lots of cases where we can. But I guess the only way some people will accept that not everyone on the net is trying to pull one over on them is to try it, which you will be able to. If you don't like it, don't subscribe, but we think a lot of people will. Nah, it's just about choosing the correct ISP. Also, I don't appreciate you coming on here selling your product. |
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Jameson
10-8
Premium
join:2004-05-28
Fallbrook, CA
clubs:
 ·HughesNet Satellit..
·Time Warner Cable
| reply to Mchart
said by Mchart :I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection. Then you're just special aren't you. 
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Mchart
Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to EnasYorl
said by EnasYorl :said by Mchart :I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection. When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency? Good Thing Gamerail is NOT just about bandwidth and IS about latency. Bandwidth is only a part of latency. Network design is what counts. » www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details Says the funny man with Comcast.
Hint - It starts with your ISP. |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs:
| reply to EnasYorl
said by EnasYorl :said by Mchart :I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection. When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency? Good Thing Gamerail is NOT just about bandwidth and IS about latency. Bandwidth is only a part of latency. Network design is what counts. » www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details I would say latency is part of bandwidth, not the other way around  |
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL
3 edits | reply to Mchart
said by Mchart :said by EnasYorl :said by Mchart :I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection. When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency? Good Thing Gamerail is NOT just about bandwidth and IS about latency. Bandwidth is only a part of latency. Network design is what counts.» www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details Says the funny man with Comcast. Hint - It starts with your ISP. Guess you better re-read my post.
And I have Verizon as well for backup and it gives me different peering points for if I'm inclined to reduce latency to certain servers when possible. |
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